TMNT Vol 4 #31!!! - Page 3

*Candy Kappa* · 10-19-2010, 12:54 PM

The artwork felt a lot better in this issue

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 10-19-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

The artwork felt a lot better in this issue

Well, when you're only turning out one book a year...

**Venom** · 10-19-2010, 05:14 PM

The tones, it's definitely the tones that set the artwork off. Jim's work looks WAY better with decent toning, no doubt.

gbhq · 10-19-2010, 09:43 PM

Does anyone know did Jim Lawson draw issue 32 already? or are we only going to read Peter Laird's script now?

*CyberCubed* · 10-19-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gbhq

Does anyone know did Jim Lawson draw issue 32 already? or are we only going to read Peter Laird's script now?

A long time ago PL implied #32 was nearing completion, although I don't know if its as finished as #31 was.

Maybe he'll post that online too.

gbhq · 10-19-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

A long time ago PL implied #32 was nearing completion, although I don't know if its as finished as #31 was.

Maybe he'll post that online too.

thanks for that!

DK2 · 10-19-2010, 11:38 PM

I had emailed Jim Lawson shortly after Peter's Vol. 4 shut down. He told me that he was done the art on both #31 and #32 back then at the time. It was near inking completion from Eric Talbot. But then he told me of course that Vol. 4's future was Peter's and that he couldn't say when the issues would see release if any. So from what I can tell, #32 just needs the final tune ups from inking and lettering and dialoging. The latter two would be Peter's duties if I'm not mistaken. So this could be really the longest delay whenever Peter wants to just finish this one off.
I haven't read #31 yet but I agree that some of the words and dialogue that comes out in the issues belong to inner captions from thoughts. Yet the characters are speaking them out. They never had thought balloons in these comics. It does make the characters seem a little nutty talking things out loud that should be thoughts in the mind. Glancing the pages of #31's "thumbnails" I was surprised that the toning was still the ones Peter was using. It had been implied when we were gonna get #31 soon before the Vol. 4 shutdown, that the art would get the "old duotoning" style of Vol. 1's series. Yet it ain't. Maybe Peter changed his mind some time before he tackled the pages. Or was it for #32? Can anyone confirm my memory?
Wished #31 would still see a printed comic though.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-20-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DK2

Glancing the pages of #31's "thumbnails" I was surprised that the toning was still the ones Peter was using. It had been implied when we were gonna get #31 soon before the Vol. 4 shutdown, that the art would get the "old duotoning" style of Vol. 1's series. Yet it ain't. Maybe Peter changed his mind some time before he tackled the pages. Or was it for #32? Can anyone confirm my memory?
Wished #31 would still see a printed comic though.

Sit down and actually read #31. You'll see the as-promised sequence in it has the original duo-toning in all of its glory.

*shuriken* · 10-20-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

The artwork felt a lot better in this issue

Not so much better as more consistent. I liked it. I think the Donnie was a cool reference to when Casey got drunk and then owned in Shades of Gray I believe. Reall wondering what the hell Splinter is doing alive though, if that is "our" Splinter.

*CyberCubed* · 10-20-2010, 12:44 PM

It's not our Splinter. Other than the fact that PL would never bring Splinter back to life, its fairly obvious through the dialogue that this Splinter isn't familiar with Leonardo, and wishes to see him.

It's an alternate Splinter, much like that alternate Oroku Yoshi Shredder.

*Candy Kappa* · 10-20-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's not our Splinter. Other than the fact that PL would never bring Splinter back to life, its fairly obvious through the dialogue that this Splinter isn't familiar with Leonardo, and wishes to see him.

It's an alternate Splinter, much like that alternate Oroku Yoshi Shredder.

well comic books are notorious to bring back dead characters, no matter how much fuss they make of their deaths.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-20-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

well comic books are notorious to bring back dead characters, no matter how much fuss they make of their deaths.

In TMNT comics, dead is pretty much dead. Only exception being Oroku Saki... but even then they want us to believe that "wasn't really him."

*oldmanwinters* · 10-20-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

In TMNT comics, dead is pretty much dead. Only exception being Oroku Saki... but even then they want us to believe that "wasn't really him."

I've always liked that about the Mirage (and Archie for that matter) TMNT comics. It gives death a true sense of finality and loss. Nobody blinked an eye when Batman got "killed" in Final Crisis. The average fan has no idea how many times Jean Grey has died and been resurrected. But when it comes to the Turtles, most of us can remember how weird it felt when Splinter suddenly passed away without warning. It was also nice to see how Leonardo became so introspective in the wake of Shredder's "second death," and questioned his life's direction in light of being trained as an assassin his whole life by Splinter. I believe Laird once said that his vision for the franchise was for his characters to grow old and die. It's a rare philosophy in comics when there's pressure to pump new books out month after month and year after year.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-20-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Nobody blinked an eye when Batman got "killed" in Final Crisis.

Might've had something to do with the fact that the end of it bent over backwards to reassure us that he was still alive. Or that we've already known for 30 years that Darkseid's "Omega Sanction" isn't death.

*oldmanwinters* · 10-20-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Might've had something to do with the fact that the end of it bent over backwards to reassure us that he was still alive. Or that we've already known for 30 years that Darkseid's "Omega Sanction" isn't death.

Yeah, and personally I always liked it better when the Anti-Life Equation was a mystery.... and Wolverine's past was a mystery, for that matter.... and the Joker's history pre-clown life was... well, you get the idea.

*CyberCubed* · 10-20-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

The average fan has no idea how many times Jean Grey has died and been resurrected.

How many times has that happened?

*Candy Kappa* · 10-20-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How many times has that happened?

too many times

around 15... ca 20 counting the various incarnations

Demon-Alukard · 10-20-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Sit down and actually read #31. You'll see the as-promised sequence in it has the original duo-toning in all of its glory.

I didn't mention it in the first reading. Awesome! Actually, this scene of Don's dreaming pretty similar with episode between Don and Casey into TMNT Vol.1 #49.

*oldmanwinters* · 10-22-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

As for April . . . The whole "Harley vs. Ricers" thing would have left me with the feeling that it was more of Laird shoving his trivial opinions on the plot of the book if I knew exactly what his opinions of motorcycles are (outside of the fact that he's an enthusiast). Is he a Harley man or a Kawasaki man? I really don't know.

I recently picked up Jim Lawson's 1987 series, Bade Biker and Orson, and I think this pin-up sheds a some light on the motivation of the April vs. bigoted American bikers scene:

At least we know Lawson's perspective.

EDIT: And Peter Laird's:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/terrible2z/3541860703/

*DrSpengler* · 10-23-2010, 08:34 AM

ell, that solves that mystery.

More of Laird's "subtle" opinionating, then.

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Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,635	The tones, it's definitely the tones that set the artwork off. Jim's work looks WAY better with decent toning, no doubt. __________________

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DK2 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 599	I had emailed Jim Lawson shortly after Peter's Vol. 4 shut down. He told me that he was done the art on both #31 and #32 back then at the time. It was near inking completion from Eric Talbot. But then he told me of course that Vol. 4's future was Peter's and that he couldn't say when the issues would see release if any. So from what I can tell, #32 just needs the final tune ups from inking and lettering and dialoging. The latter two would be Peter's duties if I'm not mistaken. So this could be really the longest delay whenever Peter wants to just finish this one off. I haven't read #31 yet but I agree that some of the words and dialogue that comes out in the issues belong to inner captions from thoughts. Yet the characters are speaking them out. They never had thought balloons in these comics. It does make the characters seem a little nutty talking things out loud that should be thoughts in the mind. Glancing the pages of #31's "thumbnails" I was surprised that the toning was still the ones Peter was using. It had been implied when we were gonna get #31 soon before the Vol. 4 shutdown, that the art would get the "old duotoning" style of Vol. 1's series. Yet it ain't. Maybe Peter changed his mind some time before he tackled the pages. Or was it for #32? Can anyone confirm my memory? Wished #31 would still see a printed comic though. Last edited by DK2; 10-19-2010 at 11:46 PM.

10-19-2010, 09:43 PM	#44
gbhq Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 167	Does anyone know did Jim Lawson draw issue 32 already? or are we only going to read Peter Laird's script now?

10-20-2010, 12:44 PM	#50
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	It's not our Splinter. Other than the fact that PL would never bring Splinter back to life, its fairly obvious through the dialogue that this Splinter isn't familiar with Leonardo, and wishes to see him. It's an alternate Splinter, much like that alternate Oroku Yoshi Shredder.

10-23-2010, 08:34 AM	#60
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,830	ell, that solves that mystery. More of Laird's "subtle" opinionating, then.