Tmnt vs batman - who wins? - Page 4

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 07-22-2015, 01:01 AM

Well, ONE of the two DID sorta go "Bats" in the OT, LOL! And then there's that Pizza Face episode, too.... *creeped out*

~~Commenter 42~~ · 07-22-2015, 01:12 AM

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Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, then. I've seen a few instances where at least ONE turtle was just as twisted and played just as dirty! And if he ever really let that side loose.... *shudders*

I like this idea.

I think the general opinion is that Bats would win easily. And that's just the thing, it's what everyone expects, for valid reasons.

But imagine MsMarvelDuckie's scenario...
The story would be far more interesting if the reverse happened.
Yeah, I'd love to see Batman lose to those turtles, if for no other reason than it's hard to imagine a scenario where that could plausibly happen.

And it can't be thanks to magic bullet shells or some other BS.

*Leo656* · 07-22-2015, 01:24 AM

I simply can't imagine any scenario that wouldn't feel like, "Ehhh, the writer just gave 'em that one to be nice." It wouldn't feel organic, to me; it'd feel forced.

"Unexpected?" "Interesting?" Sure. But if I've learned nothing from wrestling the last few years, it's that sometimes you just have to do what's expected if you expect anyone to buy it and be happy with it. Same basic thing; you can do whatever story you want, it's fake. But there's a huge difference between, "Well, this guy wins because it makes sense" and "That guy wins just because you didn't expect it." You absolutely CAN make the latter scenario work but 9 times outta 10 the person with the pen doesn't have a steady enough hand to pull it off. They get so hung up on, "Boy, bet ya didn't see THAT one comin'!" that it feels hollow.

There's a time to pull the swerve, and there's a time to keep it simple and not over-think things. Honestly, I think if they did a fight scene and the Turtles went over, it'd piss off a lot more people than it'd make happy. I don't think it's a believable outcome, to most people. I think it's SO unbelievable, that however "interesting" it would be to see is undone by how forced it'd come off.

I just can't see it in my head, at all, as anything other than "The writer felt bad for the Turtles and let them win," and that just tastes bad.

*Kendamu* · 07-22-2015, 05:14 AM

The IDW TMNT probably wouldn't beat comic book Batgod, but Season 1 OT TMNT could totally get the jump on BTAS Batman.

It's not that the IDW TMNT are weak. There are other versions of Batman they could take, but comic Batgod is overpowered.

1990 Movie TMNT could likely beat 1989 Batman.

2014 movie TMNT could kick the crap out of Nolanverse Batman. They're too strong and durable. Not sure about Batfleck yet. Gotta see how he does against Superman.

The 2k3 TMNT likely wouldn't stand a chance against BatB Batman. He's not Batgod, but his Silver Age perfection would make it like Splinter fighting the Turtles in the dojo.

The Mirage TMNT, assuming they're individually on par with Daredevil, could give comics Batgod a run for his money. It'd be like him fighting four comic Daredevils.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 07-22-2015, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I simply can't imagine any scenario that wouldn't feel like, "Ehhh, the writer just gave 'em that one to be nice." It wouldn't feel organic, to me; it'd feel forced.

"Unexpected?" "Interesting?" Sure. But if I've learned nothing from wrestling the last few years, it's that sometimes you just have to do what's expected if you expect anyone to buy it and be happy with it. Same basic thing; you can do whatever story you want, it's fake. But there's a huge difference between, "Well, this guy wins because it makes sense" and "That guy wins just because you didn't expect it." You absolutely CAN make the latter scenario work but 9 times outta 10 the person with the pen doesn't have a steady enough hand to pull it off. They get so hung up on, "Boy, bet ya didn't see THAT one comin'!" that it feels hollow.

There's a time to pull the swerve, and there's a time to keep it simple and not over-think things. Honestly, I think if they did a fight scene and the Turtles went over, it'd piss off a lot more people than it'd make happy. I don't think it's a believable outcome, to most people. I think it's SO unbelievable, that however "interesting" it would be to see is undone by how forced it'd come off.

I just can't see it in my head, at all, as anything other than "The writer felt bad for the Turtles and let them win," and that just tastes bad.

My first point was, it would have to be plausible. I agree, I can't picture it either, precisely because Batman is impossibly overskilled.

My second point was, I'd enjoy watching Batman get his ass kicked, because he is impossibly overskilled. It would be quite satisfying.

It's the same argument as BatsvSupes.

Zak The Neutrino · 07-22-2015, 08:15 AM

After reading everyone arguments I think if Bats is caught off guard he either retreats or gets beat.

There are some pretty lame villains that have torched bats. However after he retreats, recovers and comes back with a plan he wins.

I think it's funny why some are calling him batgod. This just reaffirms my hate for the DC universe. Superman and Batman are all powerful and nothing can defeat them. Just lame if you ask me.

*Candy Kappa* · 07-22-2015, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

I think it's funny why some are calling him batgod. This just reaffirms my hate for the DC universe. Superman and Batman are all powerful and nothing can defeat them. Just lame if you ask me.

Well, after Justice League #2...

Spoiler:

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 07-22-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Well, after Justice League #2...

Spoiler:

Eh, Turtles are gearing up to kick Pantheon ass.

Bat-God ass shouldn't be any different by that point.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 07-22-2015, 10:15 AM

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Eh, Turtles are gearing up to kick Pantheon ass.

Bat-God ass shouldn't be any different by that point.

This, I should like to see, especially after how they trashed the Bull-god dude (sorry, forgot his name). With some help from the Ghostbusters, of course.

*Leo656* · 07-22-2015, 08:00 PM

Bruce Lee was a guy who existed. It's not impossible to think that a guy like Batman would be equally as skilled and twice as dangerous. He would have to be; that's his entire self-imposed job.

I mean, yeah, "Batman Wins Via Deus ex Machina" has become rather overdone in recent times, but it doesn't undermine the idea that a guy could, in theory, become as good as he's presented to be.

Nobody gets mad at Wolverine, it seems, for having the exact same "problem" as Batman: His popularity with the general audience ensures that he comes out on top of every situation, regardless of circumstance, even when it's stupidly exaggerated and unbelievable. Wolverine beat Lobo, officially... I call Horse Sh*t on that, and so does everyone with any sense, but that's the verdict. Why? Because Wolverine sells.

Biggest difference between Batman and Wolverine, of course, being that Batman doesn't suck. So yeah, show a little consistency, go cry about Wolverine. Guy's been in more movies than Batman already despite having two facial expressions and zero by way of character motivation. I hate that.

PangolinFeets · 07-22-2015, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I like this idea.

I think the general opinion is that Bats would win easily. And that's just the thing, it's what everyone expects, for valid reasons.

But imagine MsMarvelDuckie's scenario...
The story would be far more interesting if the reverse happened.
Yeah, I'd love to see Batman lose to those turtles, if for no other reason than it's hard to imagine a scenario where that could plausibly happen.

And it can't be thanks to magic bullet shells or some other BS.

Unbeknownst to the readers, Donatello surgically implanted a gun holster into his shell as a last-ditch 'option C', if he ever needed it.

Donatello shoots Batman in the ****ing face.

Zak The Neutrino · 07-22-2015, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Bruce Lee was a guy who existed. It's not impossible to think that a guy like Batman would be equally as skilled and twice as dangerous. He would have to be; that's his entire self-imposed job.

I mean, yeah, "Batman Wins Via Deus ex Machina" has become rather overdone in recent times, but it doesn't undermine the idea that a guy could, in theory, become as good as he's presented to be.

Nobody gets mad at Wolverine, it seems, for having the exact same "problem" as Batman: His popularity with the general audience ensures that he comes out on top of every situation, regardless of circumstance, even when it's stupidly exaggerated and unbelievable. Wolverine beat Lobo, officially... I call Horse Sh*t on that, and so does everyone with any sense, but that's the verdict. Why? Because Wolverine sells.

Biggest difference between Batman and Wolverine, of course, being that Batman doesn't suck. So yeah, show a little consistency, go cry about Wolverine. Guy's been in more movies than Batman already despite having two facial expressions and zero by way of character motivation. I hate that.

You are however missing the fact that Wolverine has super powers and Bats doesn't. He is just a rich guy with gadgets.

I don't like Iron Man either.

*Leo656* · 07-22-2015, 09:13 PM

You know who I DO like? The Amazing Slapstick. Don't even get me started, guy.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 07-25-2015, 04:09 AM

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You know who I DO like? The Amazing Slapstick. Don't even get me started, guy.

Wolverine is entertaining in small doses. Jackman Wolverine is long past it's best before date.

Every time you defend Bats:

07-22-2015, 01:01 AM	#61
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	Well, ONE of the two DID sorta go "Bats" in the OT, LOL! And then there's that Pizza Face episode, too.... creeped out __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

07-22-2015, 01:24 AM	#63
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I simply can't imagine any scenario that wouldn't feel like, "Ehhh, the writer just gave 'em that one to be nice." It wouldn't feel organic, to me; it'd feel forced. "Unexpected?" "Interesting?" Sure. But if I've learned nothing from wrestling the last few years, it's that sometimes you just have to do what's expected if you expect anyone to buy it and be happy with it. Same basic thing; you can do whatever story you want, it's fake. But there's a huge difference between, "Well, this guy wins because it makes sense" and "That guy wins just because you didn't expect it." You absolutely CAN make the latter scenario work but 9 times outta 10 the person with the pen doesn't have a steady enough hand to pull it off. They get so hung up on, "Boy, bet ya didn't see THAT one comin'!" that it feels hollow. There's a time to pull the swerve, and there's a time to keep it simple and not over-think things. Honestly, I think if they did a fight scene and the Turtles went over, it'd piss off a lot more people than it'd make happy. I don't think it's a believable outcome, to most people. I think it's SO unbelievable, that however "interesting" it would be to see is undone by how forced it'd come off. I just can't see it in my head, at all, as anything other than "The writer felt bad for the Turtles and let them win," and that just tastes bad. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

07-22-2015, 08:00 PM	#70
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Bruce Lee was a guy who existed. It's not impossible to think that a guy like Batman would be equally as skilled and twice as dangerous. He would have to be; that's his entire self-imposed job. I mean, yeah, "Batman Wins Via Deus ex Machina" has become rather overdone in recent times, but it doesn't undermine the idea that a guy could, in theory, become as good as he's presented to be. Nobody gets mad at Wolverine, it seems, for having the exact same "problem" as Batman: His popularity with the general audience ensures that he comes out on top of every situation, regardless of circumstance, even when it's stupidly exaggerated and unbelievable. Wolverine beat Lobo, officially... I call Horse Sht on that, and so does everyone with any sense, but that's the verdict. Why? Because Wolverine sells. Biggest difference between Batman and Wolverine, of course, being that Batman doesn't suck. So yeah, show a little consistency, go cry about Wolverine. Guy's been in more movies than Batman already despite having two facial expressions and zero by way of character motivation. I hate that. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know."* nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

07-22-2015, 09:13 PM	#73
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	You know who I DO like? The Amazing Slapstick. Don't even get me started, guy. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

07-22-2015, 05:14 AM	#64
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,890	The IDW TMNT probably wouldn't beat comic book Batgod, but Season 1 OT TMNT could totally get the jump on BTAS Batman. It's not that the IDW TMNT are weak. There are other versions of Batman they could take, but comic Batgod is overpowered. 1990 Movie TMNT could likely beat 1989 Batman. 2014 movie TMNT could kick the crap out of Nolanverse Batman. They're too strong and durable. Not sure about Batfleck yet. Gotta see how he does against Superman. The 2k3 TMNT likely wouldn't stand a chance against BatB Batman. He's not Batgod, but his Silver Age perfection would make it like Splinter fighting the Turtles in the dojo. The Mirage TMNT, assuming they're individually on par with Daredevil, could give comics Batgod a run for his money. It'd be like him fighting four comic Daredevils.

07-22-2015, 08:15 AM	#66
Zak The Neutrino Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: WI Posts: 654	After reading everyone arguments I think if Bats is caught off guard he either retreats or gets beat. There are some pretty lame villains that have torched bats. However after he retreats, recovers and comes back with a plan he wins. I think it's funny why some are calling him batgod. This just reaffirms my hate for the DC universe. Superman and Batman are all powerful and nothing can defeat them. Just lame if you ask me.