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Old 07-15-2017, 08:54 PM   #1
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The greatest tragedy of all.

The greatest tragedy of all is the irrepairable damage done to the Turtles reputation, why? you might ask, TMNT, the REAL TMNT, is a dark, mature comic about four pet Red Earred Slider Turtles that got mutated by an accident and were raised to be Ninjas by a Rat, who was also mutated, to avenge the death of his owner, Hamato Yoshi, at the hands of Oroku Saki better known as The Shredder, who have to live in the sewers because of their appearance, who are trying to find their place in the world because they are the first, last and only ones of their kind, However because of the FW cartoon and its spawn most people know TMNT only through the cartoons or the movies, which are bastardized, dumbed down, kiddified, abominations, which portray the Turtles as immature, goofy, characters, who are addicted to Pizza and talk like surfers from California.
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:01 PM   #2
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Um, yeah... welcome to the forums. Did you catch the name of this website's inspiration?
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:02 PM   #3
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Um, yeah... welcome to the forums. Did you catch the name of this website's inspiration?
Yeah, the Technodrome is from the cartoon, but doesn't it make anyone else sad that the general public sees the franchise as childish because of it?
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Yeah, the Technodrome is from the cartoon, but doesn't it make anyone else sad that the general public sees the franchise as childish because of it?
Andrew, did you start a second user account for fun and fancy free?
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:26 PM   #6
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Andrew, did you start a second user account for fun and fancy free?
You would think so! If not... well, we found his new possible BFF. I'm sure you will be very happy together.


Honestly, while I respect some people's sole preferences for Mirage, if it's only that, I do wonder how people even hang onto TMNT then if they so dislike everything else... I mean, in that case, it's like its heyday and the only part that mattered is long gone, right?


Personally... just as comics have allowed many artists to lend their own art style, I look at the various iterations the same way. I might not like every version or every art style, but they aren't exactly "ruined" unless the world stops loving them... And in that case, whoever was behind it would be the worst person ever.



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Andrew, did you start a second user account for fun and fancy free?
I was thinking the same. Do we really need a second Andrew praising his own views?Aside from creator Dan Slott these new user seem to be duplicate accounts of those users or have been in our e-community in the recent past. I was suspicious of Guile which was why I asked favorite character and iteration. There is also Etsy.
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Yeah, the Technodrome is from the cartoon, but doesn't it make anyone else sad that the general public sees the franchise as childish because of it?
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:36 AM   #9
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Everyone has made those complaints at some point. What you're saying is nothing new and hardly insightful. At this point, you're basically just venting.

You can complain all you want and wish things were different, but it's not going to change anything, nor change the opinions of those who enjoy the cartoon versions, or at least aspects of it.
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Yeah, the Technodrome is from the cartoon, but doesn't it make anyone else sad that the general public sees the franchise as childish because of it?
They wanted to market the thing towards kids. They couldn't keep the more mature themes of the comics and make it into a show aimed at kids back in the 80s. It wouldn't have flown, despite the fact the 87 series started in syndication. Once it hit the "big 3" and had a Saturday morning time slot, forget it.

I don't have much of a problem with the animated series being aimed at kids given how they sell toys along with those animated incarnations. Who play with toys? Kids. If the animated shows didn't have all that merchandising behind it, it probably wouldn't be as kiddy.

The thing about this franchise is that there's something for everyone. You have the different comic versions (Archie, IDW, Mirage), your live action films, etc.

It's not going to appeal to everyone, but at least one of those mediums or versions will more than likely if you're a fan of the franchise.
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:03 PM   #12
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Mirage TMNT had some comedy as the series progressed. Also, a lot of people know about the original comics, from liking the franchise in general, or by the IDW reprints.
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The greatest tragedy of all is the irrepairable damage done to the Turtles reputation, why? you might ask, TMNT, the REAL TMNT, is a dark, mature comic about four pet Red Earred Slider Turtles that got mutated by an accident and were raised to be Ninjas by a Rat, who was also mutated, to avenge the death of his owner, Hamato Yoshi, at the hands of Oroku Saki better known as The Shredder, who have to live in the sewers because of their appearance, who are trying to find their place in the world because they are the first, last and only ones of their kind, However because of the FW cartoon and its spawn most people know TMNT only through the cartoons or the movies, which are bastardized, dumbed down, kiddified, abominations, which portray the Turtles as immature, goofy, characters, who are addicted to Pizza and talk like surfers from California.
Damn...you opened my eyes with this original statement.

Really makes you think....
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:13 AM   #14
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However because of the FW cartoon and its spawn most people know TMNT only through the cartoons or the movies, which are bastardized, dumbed down, kiddified, abominations, which portray the Turtles as immature, goofy, characters, who are addicted to Pizza and talk like surfers from California.
Tbh FW/Nick origin is more acceptable than the comic origin (human ninja master turned rat, rather than being trained by a pet rat who mimicked its master).

So no, you don't get to diss FW you sad man.
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Tbh FW/Nick origin is more acceptable than the comic origin (human ninja master turned rat, rather than being trained by a pet rat who mimicked its master).

So no, you don't get to diss FW you sad man.
I prefer the human > rat origin personally. I know we already have to use a slight suspension of disbelief over there being four anthropomorphic turtles using martial arts, but I, apparently, draw the line at a rat mimicking his master from his cage. lol As it was pointed out, prior to the mutagen, Splinter was a normal rat. He wouldn't have paid attention to his master in such a way because he still had the mind of an ordinary rat. I like the human origin because the turtles are being trained by the actual master themselves and it feels more tragic that a man has to resort to living amongst the rats and stuff.

I guess a good balance, though, is the IDW comics and how they used reincarnation there.

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Old 07-16-2017, 09:14 AM   #17
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
You realize FW clearly has some pessimistic people too, right? Sometimes even worse than Mirage depending.

It's because nostalgia bias or some people preferring certain adaptations over others. The Dark Knight trilogy and Batman: TAS, for example, are what some people want out of Batman; others prefer Adam West's Batman.

It applies to everything.
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
If I were to take a guess, it's that at the end of the day, FW is a silly episodic Saturday morning cartoon that was only slightly ahead of its time early on in its lifespan, an episode that knocked it out of the park was rare, and age quickly caught up to it even during its life. Meanwhile, Mirage was an overall well-written underground comic series that had a real point, a bittersweet tone, and an interesting overarching theme.

It's not much of a stretch to think that people who started with Mirage wouldn't take very kindly to some other TMNT media.

That said, the original post is stupid no matter how you look at it.
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How come those of us who started off on Fred Wolf can find things likeable in all other versions.. Mirage, 4kids, next mutation, movies, nick toon (PD doesn't exist)....

but those who started off with mirage refuse to acknowledge anything else?
Vegita-San, you have it all wrong! It's not Platinum Dunes that does not exist its the 1997-1999 TMNT material that has been wiped from memory it was so awful on both ends of the spectrum as the comic medium demonstrated in one extreme and television showed the other extreme.
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