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Old 01-28-2016, 12:50 PM   #61
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I feel like Leviathan was well-written, even though I despise Grant Morrison's Batman stuff. Talia created an entire organization to 1) conquer the world but more importantly 2) destroy everything Bruce stands for.
the most important thing about using a character like Talia that Bruce was once affectionate with, is they have a long running history together.

there were emotions vested in both parties as she became a spurned lover.


i still can't get over the fact that there all of the sudden is a 'super-secret' society that has been operating in gotham since it was first formed that Batman had never knew about!!

it just makes "The World's Greatest Detective" seem like a clueless buffoon.
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the most important thing about using a character like Talia that Bruce was once affectionate with, is they have a long running history together.

there were emotions vested in both parties as she became a spurned lover.


i still can't get over the fact that there all of the sudden is a 'super-secret' society that has been operating in gotham since it was first formed that Batman had never knew about!!

it just makes "The World's Greatest Detective" seem like a clueless buffoon.
The Court of Owls is supposed to be an urban legend, though, and actively hid itself. I totally buy its existence.

I always preferred Talia as a tenuous ally, not an out-and-out villain. We'll see what they do with her now that she's been resurrected.
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Leviathan I feel was the best written of the three, but got less chance. Why? It's coming on the heels of Dr. Hurt's Black Glove and had a wider ambition than just sticking it to Batman or Gotham City. There were personal connections at the same time with Batwoman's uncle and Talia but they were not trying complicated psychological plots like Dr. Hurt ( who turned out to be a motherbox manifestation) or Court of The Owls incorporateing a dke sibling for Bruce and take the "soul" of the city.
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Old 01-28-2016, 01:39 PM   #64
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i feel a bit conflicted with this 'All-New' DC re-launch.

as much as i get mild entertainment from new Batman comics, i think i'd be better off dropping all my DC titles and just wait for the trades?

but it's not really easy to judge by reviews due to fawning fans.
i've read glowing reviews praising stories that i myself read as single issues that i thought were terrible.

at least if you get the trade though it's a LOT cheaper!!!!
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Old 01-30-2016, 05:12 PM   #65
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well, after much consideration i just went ahead and cancelled MORE THAN HALF of the DC titles on my 'Pull-List'.

it just kills me that every time i turn around they are doing yet another terrible multi-title 'Cross-Over', or re-leasing 'tie-in/one-shots', or doing something stupid that just kills all the enjoyment from comic reading!

i mean if the event was at least entertaining that'd be one thing?
but they usually stink pretty hard!!!

add this on top of all the really bad writing, awful art, poor character depictions, and lack of any sort of cohesive continuity.

i seriously doubt things will improve any with the relaunch.

if anything i'll probably just end up dropping the remainder of my DC titles?
but we'll see what happens?
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Old 01-30-2016, 05:36 PM   #66
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Oh my god you people, nowhere does this say a continuity reboot. Plus its f*cking bleeding cool, the least credible site around. It's a relaunch. A renumbering designed to attract new readers. Same new 52 continuity, new numbering. Yeah it sucks but the stories will be kept and as long as their good it doesn't matter.


Half of you don't even read comics anyway.
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Old 01-30-2016, 06:21 PM   #67
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Oh my god you people, nowhere does this say a continuity reboot. Plus its f*cking bleeding cool, the least credible site around. It's a relaunch. A renumbering designed to attract new readers. Same new 52 continuity, new numbering. Yeah it sucks but the stories will be kept and as long as their good it doesn't matter.


Half of you don't even read comics anyway.
personally most of the DC titles i've been reading have been cold trash for over a year now.

so many times i've seriously considered dropping all of them and just sticking with the independent titles.

and continuity is not the problem.

the problem is terrible stories that aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
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Old 01-30-2016, 06:25 PM   #68
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personally most of the DC titles i've been reading have been cold trash for over a year now.

so many times i've seriously considered dropping all of them and just sticking with the independent titles.

and continuity is not the problem.

the problem is terrible stories that aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
There's some good stuff among the trash. Better than marvel's pile of relaunch sh*t. The best thing there is the star wars comics.


Batman is great
Justice League is great
Grayson is 10/10
Gotham by midnight was very good
Early DCyou action comics was decent

You just have to look for the stuff
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There's some good stuff among the trash. Better than marvel's pile of relaunch sh*t. The best thing there is the star wars comics.


Batman is great
Justice League is great
Grayson is 10/10
Gotham by midnight was very good
Early DCyou action comics was decent

You just have to look for the stuff
Batman as well as Grayson are among the few DC titles i kept on my pull-list.

i was conflicted about dropping Justice League. but after ALL the lousy cross-over events that just led to other events, it just left a really bad taste in my mouth.

it was really all the Darkseid War One-Shots that were really the final nail in the
coffin! can't say i was really enjoying Darkseid War to begin with, but those 6 one-shots were just garbage!

and the Superman books .... one disapointing cross-over after the next!
Action Comics had it's moments, but it really started spinning it's wheels even before this Vandal Savage story.

i ALMOST kept Justice League of America??? but it's been MEH for a while too.

as for Marvel ...... UHG!!! that stuff is brain poison!!!
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If everyone would just stop buying comics than maybe DC/Marvel would get a clue what people want and go back to their old ways. Its people supporting these books that are the problem.

Stop buying comics.
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Old 01-30-2016, 07:43 PM   #71
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If everyone would just stop buying comics than maybe DC/Marvel would get a clue what people want and go back to their old ways. Its people supporting these books that are the problem.

Stop buying comics.
i'm a bit unclear of exactly what you're getting at?

are you suggesting people shouldn't buy any comic at all? or just the bad ones?
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Hey, I haven't bought any comics for several years from the "Big Two", but it hasn't stopped them going from bad to worse. I was mostly happy with them up until BND, but after that? Not so much....
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i avoided Marvel like the plague till i found out they were re-launching Spider-man about 2 years ago and decided to give it a try.
before the series even got off the ground they announce a multi-title cross-over.
i immediately dropped the title!

there were quite a few DC titles that i was really enjoying.

over time they had several line-up changes and good books quickly became crappy books.
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As of right now, the only Marvel books I would read are probably Deadpool (if he still has one) and whatever Peter David is on. Maybe Bendis, depending on what it is.
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If everyone would just stop buying comics than maybe DC/Marvel would get a clue what people want and go back to their old ways. Its people supporting these books that are the problem.

Stop buying comics.
Are you implying I BUY my comics?

Besides IDW TMNT or any indie title of course.
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if it ain't worth buying, it ain't worth reading.
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i avoided Marvel like the plague till i found out they were re-launching Spider-man about 2 years ago and decided to give it a try.
before the series even got off the ground they announce a multi-title cross-over.
i immediately dropped the title!
But Spider-Verse was the most fun thing that year.
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But Spider-Verse was the most fun thing that year.
i was told Spider-Verse was good, i just wasn't ready for Marvel to nickel and dime me so soon.

in a way i'm glad they did it sooner than later like Geoff Johns Justice League did.

that series is nothing else but a lunch-pad for cross-over events and spin-off mini-series and one-shots.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:29 AM   #79
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But Spider-Verse was the most fun thing that year.
The main story was pretty mediocre, although the twist with the identity of the scion and the actual ending was great and one of the few instances of Slott actually sticking the landing on a climax. It was largely salvaged by the spin-off books encircling it.

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But Spider-Verse was the most fun thing that year.
It was. I really enjoyed that event.
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