Second amendment

[mrmaczaps]

Do you support the 2nd amendment?

Do you own guns or just believe in folks inalienable rights to bear arms?

If you own guns, do you go target shooting often?

Hunting?

Discuss!

[Powder]

I support it, but I do not necessarily want to make use of it. I just feel that the right should remain.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Powder

I support it, but I do not necessarily want to make use of it. I just feel that the right should remain.

Originally Posted by snake

I don't see the joy in hunting for fun. It seems too harsh for me.

Same^^^.

I've never had need of a gun, probably never will.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Powder

I support it, but I do not necessarily want to make use of it. I just feel that the right should remain.

Thanks for the honest answer.

I used to feel this way as well. I don't hunt but I found myself feeling afraid of guns and I had been in scouting as a kid til I was 17. Never really used one since. Once or twice shooting a friend's revolver. But I decided I needed to figure out why I was afraid of them and to make myself not be afraid of them just because. I am in awe of their destructive nature but no longer do I fear just guns because.

[snake]

I firmly believe in the second amendment.

I do not yet own any guns. But I will own a small handgun for worst case scenarios when I get my own place.

I don't see the joy in hunting for fun. It seems too harsh for me.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by snake

I firmly believe in the second amendment.

I do not yet own any guns. But I will own a small handgun for worst case scenarios when I get my own place.

I don't see the joy in hunting for fun. It seems too harsh for me.

I recently purchased a Ruger American to both allow myself use of the second amendment as well as to be prepared for such a day, worst case scenario.

I don't huntil either but most because I like my food dead prior to seeing it, lol.

[Wildcat]

Funny I was just thinking of this today. There was an episode of What Would You Do? (hidden cam show) where a dad was buying a gun for his kid as the setup and there was actually some people defending it him.

I was surprised some said teaching a kid to fire a gun was a good idea and have purchased them for their kids. Like the lower grade ones. Assuming the show is genuine, which I believe so (regaurdless I'm sure there are people like this in real life).

I'm not against guns but other than like collecting or hunting (which I don't do anyway) I see so no legitimate reason for a civilian to have or be carrying around a gun. In my opinion its just arrogant.

I can kinda see as a self-defense thing in your home for a worst case scenario but even then...you should just try to get out. Not face an intruder.

There were commercials last year I think for small handguns that were all "be prepared" "have the confidence" something like that. One had a girl who thought someone was breaking in so she went and got her gun. The ad made no effort to say the obvious...call 911.

Just carrying around a gun is so arrogant imo. Like ooh look at you

If you need to carry around a gun you're either...full of yourself or have gotten yourself into one bad situation.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Funny I was just thinking of this today. There was an episode of What Would You Do? (hidden cam show) where a dad was buying a gun for his kid as the setup and there was actually some people defending it him.

I was surprised some said teaching a kid to fire a gun was a good idea and have purchased them for their kids. Like the lower grade ones. Assuming the show is genuine, which I believe so (regaurdless I'm sure there are people like this in real life).

I'm not against guns but other than like collecting or hunting (which I don't do anyway) I see so no legitimate reason for a civilian to have or be carrying around a gun. In my opinion its just arrogant.

I can kinda see as a self-defense thing in your home for a worst case scenario but even then...you should just try to get out. Not face an intruder.

There were commercials last year I think for small handguns that were all "be prepared" "have the confidence" something like that. One had a girl who thought someone was breaking in so she went and got her gun. The ad made no effort to say the obvious...call 911.

Just carrying around a gun is so arrogant imo. Like ooh look at you

If you need to carry around a gun you're either...full of yourself or have gotten yourself into one bad situation.

Have you ever had to call 911 and wait for the cops to get there? In Minnesota, a good guy with a gun shot the aloha snack bar yelling muslim that had been standing people... Im sure the next guy in line was grateful the good guy with the gun was around.

When it an emergency situation, I would much rather been seen as arrogant for carrying my self defense weapon on my hip than be found dead on the ground when the cops shoe up.

Are you afraid of guns? I grew up in scouts. We learned first BB guns. It was along with cooking, one of the things I most enjoyed about the program. In my teens, I got out of scouts and didn't shoot another gun until about Ren years ago... I actually was nervous and haven't shot since but like I said, I carry now and am getting ready to take a class. I'm the first line of defense to protect myself and anyone around me. I'm responsible for my well-being... Its like eating better...that's on me. Protecting myself is on me.

It has nothing to do with being arrogant. Or even being weak. Or trying to show off. I dont open carry, but i support the right to do that as well... I just don't recommend it if the person is alone.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Have you ever had to call 911 and wait for the cops to get there? In Minnesota, a good guy with a gun shot the aloha snack bar yelling muslim that had been standing people... Im sure the next guy in line was grateful the good guy with the gun was around.

When it an emergency situation, I would much rather been seen as arrogant for carrying my self defense weapon on my hip than be found dead on the ground when the cops shoe up.

Are you afraid of guns? I grew up in scouts. We learned first BB guns. It was along with cooking, one of the things I most enjoyed about the program. In my teens, I got out of scouts and didn't shoot another gun until about Ren years ago... I actually was nervous and haven't shot since but like I said, I carry now and am getting ready to take a class. I'm the first line of defense to protect myself and anyone around me. I'm responsible for my well-being... Its like eating better...that's on me. Protecting myself is on me.

It has nothing to do with being arrogant. Or even being weak. Or trying to show off. I dont open carry, but i support the right to do that as well... I just don't recommend it if the person is alone.

(I'll just quote your first reply to me) No I've personally never had to call 911. I know it takes time for them arrive. That's why I said if someone is intruding you should focus on getting out, not confronting. The criminal probably has a gun too.

I just find it dumb that some people, and like those ads, portrayed carrying around a gun as some ultimate protection. Imo in a bad situation you're first instinct should be to get away. Carrying around a gun won't mean much if you're totally out numbered or some mass emergency happens.

I'm not afraid of guns. I've thought about learning to fire one just for fun. Ya know like at range or something. I've never had the desire to own a gun though.

Im not against owning them. I know some people like hunting and collecting them. Like military buffs or hobbyist.

I'm more against just carrying them around for the sake of it. It seems more like a false sense of security to me. Paranoia or thinking you'd be able to win a fight. I don't think it's that easy to just shoot someone.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Funny I was just thinking of this today. There was an episode of What Would You Do? (hidden cam show) where a dad was buying a gun for his kid as the setup and there was actually some people defending it him.

I was surprised some said teaching a kid to fire a gun was a good idea and have purchased them for their kids. Like the lower grade ones. Assuming the show is genuine, which I believe so (regaurdless I'm sure there are people like this in real life).

I'm not against guns but other than like collecting or hunting (which I don't do anyway) I see so no legitimate reason for a civilian to have or be carrying around a gun. In my opinion its just arrogant.

I can kinda see as a self-defense thing in your home for a worst case scenario but even then...you should just try to get out. Not face an intruder.

There were commercials last year I think for small handguns that were all "be prepared" "have the confidence" something like that. One had a girl who thought someone was breaking in so she went and got her gun. The ad made no effort to say the obvious...call 911.

Just carrying around a gun is so arrogant imo. Like ooh look at you

If you need to carry around a gun you're either...full of yourself or have gotten yourself into one bad situation.

So you feel you are only allowed to protect yourself if you are home? Someone mugs you and whatever, because you were getting groceries? Or stopped for gas at the 711?

That's being a victim. Being unprepared. You currently have the right to be able to defend yourself. It's freeing to be able to do it.

You protect your family. Your friends. If you are married, it's kind of an obligation for you to protect your spouse as far as I'm concerned. If you love someone, shouldn't you do ALL that's in your power to do in order to protect them? I know I would... Granted I don't have too many people in my life but there are a few I'd even die for.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Do you support the 2nd amendment?

Do you own guns or just believe in folks inalienable rights to bear arms?

If you own guns, do you go target shooting often?

Hunting?

Discuss!

Absolutely, without question. I don't really go hunting... I just like to go camping in the deep forest. I also like to do so with a lot of guns so I can blow away a grizzly or cougar that wants to make a meal of my camping party. I can't even imagine doing the kind of camping we do without at least a gun or two... not going out like the Grizzly Man. Target shooting, sure.

[Autbot_Benz]

I support the Right to Bear arms not the right to own Military Grade Assault rifles and other military guns. Also The NRA are some paranoid Freaks.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I support the Right to Bear arms not the right to own Military Grade Assault rifles and other military guns. Also The NRA are some paranoid Freaks.

I would encourage you to look more into the NRA on your own. I myself am not a member but they are not the "evil corporate enemy" that the newspapers make them out to be... I'mean learning too there but so far, not nearly as bad as thearly news says.

As far as type of weapons, I believe he the people should be able to own and maintain weapons of at least near the same capacity as their government. Not every single person needs heat seeking missiles but our enemies have access via black market arms... likely last year's model so to speak... I could be wrong, but it could be true. I don't trust the government to do the right thing so much as they do what makes them the most money. (Also, my old job saw lots of government over spending and throwing away piles of money, just because...)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I support the Right to Bear arms not the right to own Military Grade Assault rifles and other military guns.

You can't buy "Military Grade Assault Rifles."

Also The NRA are some paranoid Freaks.

I'm not going to say they're beyond reproach, but sometimes they are the only thing stepping between the 100% anti-gun crazies and a battle of attrition that ends with gun rights being completely stripped away. It's not paranoia... the government would be absolutely thrilled if there was 0 right to bear arms.

In fact, it kind of goes hand in hand with the smoking thing. Within just 2 decades, it's gone little by little from... oh, you have to smoke in the smoking section, to oh, no smoking section, to oh, go outside and smoke, to oh, no, go 20 feet away from any entrance, to no smoking in this whole street, even your own home or balcony in many cases. Imagine another 10 years.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You can't buy "Military Grade Assault Rifles."



I'm not going to say they're beyond reproach, but sometimes they are the only thing stepping between the 100% anti-gun crazies and a battle of attrition that ends with gun rights being completely stripped away. It's not paranoia... the government would be absolutely thrilled if there was 0 right to bear arms.

In fact, it kind of goes hand in hand with the smoking thing. Within just 2 decades, it's gone little by little from... oh, you have to smoke in the smoking section, to oh, no smoking section, to oh, go outside and smoke, to oh, no, go 20 feet away from any entrance, to no smoking in this whole street, even your own home or balcony in many cases. Imagine another 10 years.

Andrew, smoking is one thing I wish could go away. As someone who literally can't breath around folks smoking... I could go outside again if smoking went away... Although, even then, some people wouldn't stop... I would rather folks rolled their own rather than smoking factory rolled ones if that makes sense... A friend I used to have rolled his own and I didn't find it was as bothered by those as store bought ones... But his was JUST tobacco so that's likely most of it... I would say if smokers could respect the rules and those who don't smoke, things would be easier. I tend to go to places that don't allow it for that purpose and hate when people smoke anyways...

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Andrew, smoking is one thing I wish could go away.

Said pretty much everyone who doesn't smoke.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I support the Right to Bear arms not the right to own Military Grade Assault rifles and other military guns. Also The NRA are some paranoid Freaks.

Fully agree with this.

Not against the right for people to own a normal gun for "just in case" or simple hobby target shooting or hunting (though I find hunting sad and imo you better plan on eating it), but beyond that I definitely believe in there being sane limits and background checks. Unless you're military on active duty, no civilian has any damn good reason to need an assault rifle. (In my mind that's like some wannabe thug teenager having to own a dog with a bad temperament. Neither make you a badass for having it. More of a 'try hard' in my mind.) Nor any reason to stockpile guns and ammo like a crazy old cat lady collecting cats; and probably equally as nuts.

No, no matter what they may think, people who are paranoid enough to believe that they NEED to be carrying a gun around with them at all times... no, I feel no safer around them if they are that afraid of the world. If they want to be a gun owner or simply like guns, that's one thing, but if you can't really ever walk around in public without it, yeah... see ya.

Oh yeah, and agree with the NRA stuff too. It's a shame that they supposedly started out at one time as a respectable group. Because my dad had wanted to be a member of a local gun club so he could target shoot the couple little guns he did have, he had to be a member of the NRA for some reason. () I have ZERO respect for that group after seeing how much scare tactic propaganda showed up in our mail. With my dad gone, I'm not sad that we've been able to tell them to eff off.

It annoys me that knife laws are more stringent, in stupid ways, than gun laws. Really, wtf. While I totally believe there should be sane limits for that, too, some of it in comparison to what gun ownership gets away with... *sigh*



Tell you want I wish though... I wish that guns would become more technological and include tech within them that can read a hand print on the hand holding it and ONLY be able to be fired by the registered owner of it (who passed background checks and whatnot and is entirely sane and good). And somehow ensure that it will not fire for anyone else... not a thief, nor a child.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, there has been talk about doing the whole hand print recognition thing which I think would be a good idea. I'm not sure if it will happen, but I think it would be a good thing.

I don't have a problem with the NRA. My dad's a member and has gotten stuff from them before. We own guns and as kids, we always knew better than to touch the guns and they were put away where we couldn't find them.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, there has been talk about doing the whole hand print recognition thing which I think would be a good idea.

I'm not really against that being on new guns... but if we're talking about legislature that indicates you have to either take your old, existing guns in to be customized with said tech (and pay for it), or turn in your existing guns... then that's not ever going to happen.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

I haven't figured out the mutliquote and its not mobile friendly... Do you know how difficult typing all this out on a phone is??

Crazy... Like shouldn't own a gun crazy...


But that's not the point.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

When 75% of all comments in a thread are you single multi-quoting, yeah, I'm a little irritated.

And yeah, I'm crazy. Strip me of my rights, browski. Constitutional rights don't apply to assholes, right?

Originally Posted by Cure

Multiquote exists, people.

I am indifferent to the second amendment. If people wanna have guns, cool. If they wanna get rid of them, cool.

Edit: wooops, forgot to refresh this page before replying. Long name beat me to it.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Fully agree with this.

Not against the right for people to own a normal gun for "just in case" or simple hobby target shooting or hunting (though I find hunting sad and imo you better plan on eating it), but beyond that I definitely believe in there being sane limits and background checks. Unless you're military on active duty, no civilian has any damn good reason to need an assault rifle. (In my mind that's like some wannabe thug teenager having to own a dog with a bad temperament. Neither make you a badass for having it. More of a 'try hard' in my mind.) Nor any reason to stockpile guns and ammo like a crazy old cat lady collecting cats; and probably equally as nuts.

No, no matter what they may think, people who are paranoid enough to believe that they NEED to be carrying a gun around with them at all times... no, I feel no safer around them if they are that afraid of the world. If they want to be a gun owner or simply like guns, that's one thing, but if you can't really ever walk around in public without it, yeah... see ya.

Oh yeah, and agree with the NRA stuff too. It's a shame that they supposedly started out at one time as a respectable group. Because my dad had wanted to be a member of a local gun club so he could target shoot the couple little guns he did have, he had to be a member of the NRA for some reason. () I have ZERO respect for that group after seeing how much scare tactic propaganda showed up in our mail. With my dad gone, I'm not sad that we've been able to tell them to eff off.

It annoys me that knife laws are more stringent, in stupid ways, than gun laws. Really, wtf. While I totally believe there should be sane limits for that, too, some of it in comparison to what gun ownership gets away with... *sigh*



Tell you want I wish though... I wish that guns would become more technological and include tech within them that can read a hand print on the hand holding it and ONLY be able to be fired by the registered owner of it (who passed background checks and whatnot and is entirely sane and good). And somehow ensure that it will not fire for anyone else... not a thief, nor a child.

What's an assault rifle? You know that's a made up word right? A rifle is a rifle. Assault is an action. Someone hits you with a hammer, it's still a hammer.

There are already gun laws in place. Background checks already happen. Criminals can get their hands on military grade weapons if they want.

I had reservations prior to buying my own gun. Frankly, I have no issues since that. All the media tells you is "assault weapons" are bad. None of the guns used in any of the current attacks in the states have been fully automatic. You pull the trigger, ONE bullet comes out. The problem is a sign saying "no guns please" and some crackpot ignores it and opens fire anyway.

Don't hang out with my then. I'm always armed. My life is my responsibility to protect.

You are generalizing based on fear. Go buy a gun. Learn how to use it.

Even the fictional Turtles use guns... Bodycount... lol

Like in some countries booze and nudity is no big deal but in the States people freak out over a woman breastfeeding.... (some do anyways) off topic though.

There is tech for thumb prints to "authorize" a gun to work, and it doesn't work... if your hands are sweaty or dirty.. sorry, but I want a simple gun. Pull trigger and bullet comes out. Someone breaks into your house, uou aren't going to be able to say "hey wait, let me wash my hands and grab my gun..." if you are out and about and it's hot and your hands are sweaty... same thing. The criminal is going to take what they want...

Movies today portray guns are super easy to get (like a library book, wtf?) and some of those actors who make $$$$ from those movies come out against owning weapons...

People collect. I don't like it when folks give me crap for collecting comics and I'm sure as heck not going to give a gun owner crap for having a gun in every size and shape and caliber as they want... are you judging gun owners? Cuz I thought that was not cool to do?

Paranoia... didn't someone just blow up a pressure cooker bomv in NYC? It's not Paranoia if there are actual people that want you (innocent person) dead (for whatever reason).

Be prepared. Don't be a victim. Also a little accuracy would help.