LGBT in TMNT

[Utrommaniac]

I've realized both of those examples are gold-plated. Hmm.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ABrown

Dr. Abigail Finn - http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Abigail_Finn

[MsMarvelDuckie]

OMG!! I forgot about Finn! Yeah SHE was for sure. And I had forgotten Don's fling with Jhanna too. Yeah he's straight in 2k3. Raph might be questionable though.

Mikey gay for Bradford?! Uh, no. Strictly hero-worship. Granted, that can often border on a "love obsession" of sorts, but it is more a case of wanting to be LIKE someone, or even to be in their presence a lot, not to be WITH them in that sense. There is a difference.

Hmm, I might say bi for Vernon, because if he wasn't walking both sides of the street I don't know who WAS! The pink shirt and purple suspenders and his preening like a peacock, and girly scream whenever exposed to actual danger gave him away. He certainly fawned over Burne enough....

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Hmm, I might say bi for Vernon, because if he wasn't walking both sides of the street I don't know who WAS! The pink shirt and purple suspenders

Lots of dudes in business wear pink shirts that aren't raging homosexuals. It goes well with a gray suit.

[Powder]

I remember she tried to make the argument that Donatello was gay for wearing purple, now this. How ignorant.

These threads are never a good idea. This forum is incapable of merely stating the facts when asked about orientations in the the turtleverse. It immediately spirals into shipping, adult head-canon, stereotyping, etc.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Powder

I remember she tried to make the argument that Donatello was gay for wearing purple, now this. How ignorant.

These threads are never a good idea. This forum is incapable of merely stating the facts when asked about orientations in the the turtleverse. It immediately spirals into shipping, adult head-canon, stereotyping, etc.

Yeah honestly Vernon doens't come across as gay to me just because he wears pink.

I wonder if people thought Bret Hart was gay back in the day...

[plastroncafe]

I agree, the stereotyping is a bit much.

What people wear doesn't easily illustrate their sexual preferences.
Well...lemme rephrase that, it doesn't usually.
There are certainly some very specific articles of clothing that go above and beyond making clear what trips a person's trigger, but most of the time average day-wear is not of that ilk.

Sure, these days pink is back to being a masculine color, but in the 1980s it wasn't. Kind of like how these days anyone can have ear piercings, but in the 80s, "Left was right, but right was wrong."

Vernon was the straight media's perception of an effeminate man, ie: a gay dude.

We can argue "Facts" about a character, but let's be honest...just because Leo crushed on Karai doesn't mean he's straight. It means he crushed on a female character.

Originally Posted by Prowler

I wonder if people thought Bret Hart was gay back in the day...

Because he wore pink?
No.
Because he greased himself up before rolling around on a mat with other muscle bound and equally greased men for money?
Maybe.

There are two places I can regularly see folks like that, wearing stuff like that:
Pride and the WWE.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Sure, these days pink is back to being a masculine color, but in the 1980s it wasn't.

[plastroncafe]

Wow, you found those fast, Andrew.
Personal collection?

I'd argue that all three are examples of hyper masculine straight dudes, and are exceptions that don't disprove the rule.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I agree, the stereotyping is a bit much.

What people wear doesn't easily illustrate their sexual preferences.
Well...lemme rephrase that, it doesn't usually.
There are certainly some very specific articles of clothing that go above and beyond making clear what trips a person's trigger, but most of the time average day-wear is not of that ilk.

Sure, these days pink is back to being a masculine color, but in the 1980s it wasn't. Kind of like how these days anyone can have ear piercings, but in the 80s, "Left was right, but right was wrong."

Vernon was the straight media's perception of an effeminate man, ie: a gay dude.

We can argue "Facts" about a character, but let's be honest...just because Leo crushed on Karai doesn't mean he's straight. It means he crushed on a female character.



Because he wore pink?
No.
Because he greased himself up before rolling around on a mat with other muscle bound and equally greased men for money?
Maybe.

There are two places I can regularly see folks like that, wearing stuff like that:
Pride and the WWE.

Yeah wrestling and mma are considered gay by some. I guess they think it'd be a good idea for combat sports to be practised whilst wearing raincoats... sounds very practical.

As for pink makign a comeback as a masculine colour, in my country, wiggers wore pink for a while in the mid-late 90s. You'd see a big group of them all wearing pink. It was a hilarious sight. Gangsta urban youth wearing pink. What a visual.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

http://cdn.attackofthecute.com/Decem...chnohell1.jpeg

Didn't you already know about her?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Yeah wrestling and mma are considered gay by some. I guess they think it'd be a good idea for combat sports to be practised whilst wearing raincoats... sounds very practical.

There's wearing a uniform for a sport, ie: a wrestling singlet.
And then there's being The Rock, and wearing bikini briefs.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about seeing the skin, I'm just saying...I've been to fetish clubs were people don't show as much of it.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

There's wearing a uniform for a sport, ie: a wrestling singlet.
And then there's being The Rock, and wearing bikini briefs.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about seeing the skin, I'm just saying...I've been to fetish clubs were people don't show as much of it.

The Rock must be a great cook for so many chicks to want to smell it.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Wow, you found those fast, Andrew.
Personal collection?

I'd argue that all three are examples of hyper masculine straight dudes, and are exceptions that don't disprove the rule.

It was the 80s, guys wearing pink shirts or pastels in general seemed common back then.

That aside, not counting the first season, Vernon just came across as wimpy and weak to me as a contrast to April and Irma, whom were way braver than him despite being women. I figured that was the point. Vernon did seem to have a thing for April some eps.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, no matter his orientation, I mostly always took Vernon to just be a wuss who might have had an overly pampered childhood that left him childish and wimpy as an adult. He kind of reeks of someone who was influenced by snobby parents.

[Princess Anri]

You want a fist in the mouth?

I've never even looked at another guy before.

[CyberCubed]

There are a lot of offensive gay jokes in 80's and 90's movies in general. For some reason you could make fun of gays back then and it was considered acceptable.

Anyone remember in Adventures in Baby-Sitting, the "Thor is gay" line? And then the kid almost got beat up?

[IndigoErth]

Unfortunately the growing up of society is a slow process.

(Though we seem to have started going in reverse now that offending and humiliating people then labeling them as "too sensitive" for reacting is 'in'.)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There are a lot of offensive gay jokes in 80's and 90's movies in general. For some reason you could make fun of gays back then and it was considered acceptable.

More recently than that. I seem to recall even in The Fast & The Furious, Vince tells Brian: "Why don't you try Fat Burger from now on? You can get yourself a cheese and fries for 2.95, f****t!"

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Powder

I remember she tried to make the argument that Donatello was gay for wearing purple, now this. How ignorant.

These threads are never a good idea. This forum is incapable of merely stating the facts when asked about orientations in the the turtleverse. It immediately spirals into shipping, adult head-canon, stereotyping, etc.

No I never said Donatello was gay for wearing purple- pay attention next time. I made the observation that some fans have pegged him as such because of it and some of his personality traits. It's all over Deviant Art and Inkbunny. Apparently Donnie is the least masculine one, according to them, and some associate the purple with that. (Then there's the purple Teletubbie, who actually IS. Might have something to do with that conception.)

Originally Posted by Prowler

Yeah honestly Vernon doens't come across as gay to me just because he wears pink.

I wonder if people thought Bret Hart was gay back in the day...

Vernon wasn't just the pink shirt though. It was the overstyled hair, the constant concern for ruining his "good looks" and his squeamishness and lack of masculinity. It's true he tried to get April to kiss him once or twice, but he had no interest in any other women- not even Burne's girlfriend whom he simply ignored. I suppose these days he might be considered a metrosexual but in the 80's?! Yeah he was pretty ambiguous at best. Never saw him as fully straight even as a kid. Too many "unmanly" traits in how he acted and talked. (In particular his aversion to doing anything that might get him hurt or dirty. Or maybe he was just a germophobe a la Monk. I dunno he just seemed really effeminite.)