Does Hokum Hare count as a TMNT character?

*CyberCubed* · 06-23-2017, 01:49 PM

As we all know, Hokum Hare came from a "Fairy Tale" dimension, as he was based on an easter rabbit. In that same episode we had Jack and the Giant from the beanstalk and other fairy tale creatures. Had Hokum not stuck around for "Once upon a time machine" he would just be a one-off fairy tale character.

So does he count as a TMNT character? Or is he just a fairy tale creature?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 06-23-2017, 01:53 PM

I see him as a tmnt character, but in the same way that I would see Merlin from the European vacation as a tmnt character. They count because they appeared in a tmnt incarnation, but are not ideas exclusive to tmnt like the turtles, splinter, shredder etc.

I don't dislike hokum, but I think Usagi was much better done in his 2 episodes and if Hokum was to be his own character, then I would've been interested in seeing him done as a parody of Bugs Bunny or something like that.

*neatoman* · 06-23-2017, 01:57 PM

Was he created for TMNT and has he ever been associated with anything else? Here's my answers:

Yes and Yes, yeah he's just in more stuff.
Yes and no, he certainly is without a doubt.
No and yes, he is in the sense Santa Claus is a Superman character.
No and no, he is but he wasn't intended to be one.

Regardless of which, in TMNT means TMNT character.

*Powder* · 06-23-2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Regardless of which, in TMNT means TMNT character.

That's my logic.

Which means Batman, Savage Dragon, & a host of others are technically TMNT characters.

*ToTheNines* · 06-23-2017, 03:23 PM

Thor is a Marvel character, in addition to being a Norse god, no?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 06-23-2017, 05:22 PM

Technically yes but ONLY that "version" of Thor. Just as Aries is both a Marvel and DC character in additiin to being a Greek god. They are just different incarnations of him, each unique to the universe they are used in. Aries in DC is typically a villain. Marvel's version is actually an Avenger! A hard-a**ed and violent hero but one of the "good guys" nonetheless. Thus Usagi is "technically" a TMNT character by virtue of appearing with rhem but is also his own thing. So Hokum certainly qualifies as well since he has never appeared elsewhere.

*MikeandRaph87* · 06-23-2017, 06:26 PM

Yes; of course he is. He may have origin as the hare of tortise in the hare, but that dies not nake him not a TMNT one. I mean are Ares and Circe not Wonder Woman villains or to a greater extent not DC characters?

I bet a large percentage of people think of Usagi as a TMNT character. I also bet like myself despite learning that Usagi was the lead character of his own comic universe, struggle to see him as something other than an ally of the Turtles.

*Prowler* · 06-23-2017, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Was he created for TMNT and has he ever been associated with anything else? Here's my answers:

Yes and Yes, yeah he's just in more stuff.
Yes and no, he certainly is without a doubt.
No and yes, he is in the sense Santa Claus is a Superman character.
No and no, he is but he wasn't intended to be one.

Regardless of which, in TMNT means TMNT character.

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Thor is a Marvel character, in addition to being a Norse god, no?

Exactly. Those characters might have existed for ages, but the fact is, the TMNT and Marvel gave them different interpretations to the point of them basically being original creations by them. Also, no one has copyrights over the Easter Bunny or norse deities. So who'd ever sue them?

*Coola Yagami* · 06-23-2017, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

Exactly. Those characters might have existed for ages, but the fact is, the TMNT and Marvel gave them different interpretations to the point of them basically being original creations by them. Also, no one has copyrights over the Easter Bunny or norse deities. So who'd ever sue them?

Oh, I'm sure that Simpsons lawyer guy will find a way, you know, the one usually hired by Mr. Burns.

*sdp* · 06-23-2017, 09:56 PM

I'm surprised Santa doesn't exist for real in any TMNT universe, he's usually real in a lot of kids properties like Power Rangers, Pokemon and whatnot

*TurtleTitan97* · 06-23-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

I'm surprised Santa doesn't exist for real in any TMNT universe, he's usually real in a lot of kids properties like Power Rangers, Pokemon and whatnot

Santa Claus appeared in Pokémon???

*Powder* · 06-23-2017, 10:17 PM

Multiple times, in fact!

*CyberCubed* · 06-24-2017, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Multiple times, in fact!

Only twice, actually, and his second was only a cameo:

https://www.serebii.net/anime/characters/santa.shtml

He hasn't appeared since the Johto era more than 17 years ago back in 2001.

And go figure, this is my 30,000th post on the drome and it's about Santa Claus appearing in Pokemon of all things.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-24-2017, 03:15 AM

Not more than John H. Watson, Sherlock Holmes and James Moriaty, or Arthur, Guinevere and Merlin.

*oldmanwinters* · 06-24-2017, 08:24 PM

I am curious as which point some random one-off character introduced in the course of a franchise becomes a new intellectual property. When Laird sold to Nickelodeon, we wondered which characters were considered true TMNT characters and which characters might not necessarily belong to the franchise.

Take the original "Pigeon Peter" who was just a generic pigeon from a random episode of the Fred Wolf cartoon, but in the last couple of years, he's become so well established as his own mutant that it wouldn't surprise if he got his own action figure eventually. Hokum Hare might have been a generic man-bunny like dozens of other characters, but does he become copyright-protected if IDW or Nick re-invents him?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-25-2017, 12:06 PM

Hokum Hare was based on the the hare form the fairytale "The turtle and the hare", which he was in the fairytale reality. It was when he came to Earth he acted like the Easter Bunny.

*Prowler* · 06-25-2017, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Oh, I'm sure that Simpsons lawyer guy will find a way, you know, the one usually hired by Mr. Burns.

I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, so who was that again? Lionel Hutz? Isn't he incompetent as hell? basically the Nick Riviera of lawyers?

*Coola Yagami* · 06-25-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, so who was that again? Lionel Hutz? Isn't he incompetent as hell? basically the Nick Riviera of lawyers?

No, it's the other one. The 'evil' one that is usually one of Mr. Burns' lawyers. He has glasses and blue hair, and I'm not sure if he was ever given a name.

*DarkFell* · 06-25-2017, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, so who was that again? Lionel Hutz? Isn't he incompetent as hell? basically the Nick Riviera of lawyers?

Nope. That was actually the Blue Haired Lawyer. One of him could scare ten Lionel Hutz'es and ten Nick Riviera's.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-25-2017, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFell

Nope. That was actually the Blue Haired Lawyer. One of him could scare ten Lionel Hutz'es and ten Nick Riviera's.
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...20100727224053

Yep, that dude. That's the guy you want in your corner if you ever go to court in the Simpsons world, unless of course it's against the Simpsons themselves (main character plot armor and all that). He must charge a lot for his services.

06-23-2017, 01:49 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,036	Does Hokum Hare count as a TMNT character? As we all know, Hokum Hare came from a "Fairy Tale" dimension, as he was based on an easter rabbit. In that same episode we had Jack and the Giant from the beanstalk and other fairy tale creatures. Had Hokum not stuck around for "Once upon a time machine" he would just be a one-off fairy tale character. So does he count as a TMNT character? Or is he just a fairy tale creature?

06-23-2017, 01:53 PM	#2
FredWolfLeonardo Big Blue Boy Scout Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Bark Town Posts: 4,474	I see him as a tmnt character, but in the same way that I would see Merlin from the European vacation as a tmnt character. They count because they appeared in a tmnt incarnation, but are not ideas exclusive to tmnt like the turtles, splinter, shredder etc. I don't dislike hokum, but I think Usagi was much better done in his 2 episodes and if Hokum was to be his own character, then I would've been interested in seeing him done as a parody of Bugs Bunny or something like that. Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 06-23-2017 at 01:59 PM.

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MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,131	Yes; of course he is. He may have origin as the hare of tortise in the hare, but that dies not nake him not a TMNT one. I mean are Ares and Circe not Wonder Woman villains or to a greater extent not DC characters? I bet a large percentage of people think of Usagi as a TMNT character. I also bet like myself despite learning that Usagi was the lead character of his own comic universe, struggle to see him as something other than an ally of the Turtles. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

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oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 14,936	I am curious as which point some random one-off character introduced in the course of a franchise becomes a new intellectual property. When Laird sold to Nickelodeon, we wondered which characters were considered true TMNT characters and which characters might not necessarily belong to the franchise. Take the original "Pigeon Peter" who was just a generic pigeon from a random episode of the Fred Wolf cartoon, but in the last couple of years, he's become so well established as his own mutant that it wouldn't surprise if he got his own action figure eventually. Hokum Hare might have been a generic man-bunny like dozens of other characters, but does he become copyright-protected if IDW or Nick re-invents him? __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

06-25-2017, 12:06 PM	#16
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Hokum Hare was based on the the hare form the fairytale "The turtle and the hare", which he was in the fairytale reality. It was when he came to Earth he acted like the Easter Bunny.