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Superman III is better than TMNT 3.
Both are better than MOS, BVS, and Justice League and Bayturtles 1&2 Nah, just kidding. TMNT3 just blows. Superman III is gold. Bayturtles killed my desire for more turtle films. And with Ready Player One.... yeah, double damage. Likewise, I'm done with Superman and Batman. Aquaman will be dead soon. I'm all nostalgiaed out. Time for fresh stuff, like, give me a Saga film, or Atomic Axe, or Squarriors! http://squarriors.com/ New blood! but not Liefields Newblood. Youngblood? Blood pouch? Badly-drawn feet-man? Tits to the side starvation girl. Rippedoff wolverine with a twist guy. Last edited by Leonardo_thebest; 03-23-2018 at 08:46 AM. |
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I've never heard Genisys described that way. I don't think it's that far off the mark.
Shame on them for lowballing T5 with PG-13 when T4 tried the same thing and failed, though. Quote:
I mean, it makes sense. Even if you don't visit that Red Robin ever again, if you visit another one some part of that money you spend is going to end up in the franchise fee monies going to the same Mr. Red Robin at the top.
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The Star Wars Sequel trilogy really HAS ruined the originals.
All the struggle, all the dying all the anguish and the joy at the end is completely squashed now. you know it pretty much means nothing.
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Some people find it "meaningful deconstruction of the OT themes and that it is suppose to reflect real world". Well, those people can eat some ****. If they have ruined their own lives and become losers it doesn't mean that SW should reflect it. |
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"Predators" is a shame. I enjoyed it quite a lot, but #1, it had way too many forced callbacks to the original movie, many of the characters saying the same lines just because of nostalgia. Very annoying. #2, it's missing anything in the way of a satisfying ending. There should have been extra oomph there. It'd be like if Aliens had stopped with Ripley getting aboard that dropship on top of the building, and we never had the Queen battle on the Sulaco. Quote:
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Also, it had resembled a weird Predator 3 book I've read several years prior. In it Dutch and Hurricane work together on the Arctic base to take down special Predator send to make a final verdict - is human race advanced enough to stop hunting them or not. Some of the bits of the story are very similar to the AVP movie. Predator dies the same way as alien queen and I think there are some other similarities. AVP2 was horrible. Quote:
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Likewise the new trilogy IS 30 years later. It's not like Luke/Han/Leia all dropped dead the next day after episode 6 ended. |
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The Matrix Reloaded is the better film, Revolutions is just a generic sci-fi movie. Yes, Reloaded is totally pretentious and it doesn't have the best story but it did so much world building that totally worked. Rouge Programs? Different types of programs that have specific uses in the Matrix? This seems straight out of an on going show or video game series since each of those characters have plenty of possibilities.
You're given a bunch of things to question and they don't let you know. It keeps your interest into finding out what all these secrets are and then....Revolutions throws it all away for generic answers / fight with the machines. Revolutions retroactively makes Reloaded worse off since it gives unsatisfying answers to the questions pondered by it. But if we ignore Revolutions then I find Reloaded far more watchable than Revolutions since it at least has hope of having cool answers in that third movie after all the world building while Revolutions just squanders it all for a generic sci-fi flick. Quote:
It definitely ruins future movies, the idea that you know "canonically" after the original films all those awesome adventures lead to absolutely nothing since it's still Empire v Rebels. Yeah you can be one of those smart ass comments online "What sequel ______ never got a sequel?" But in a saga like Star Wars where you love the universe and want to watch more it just ruins the franchise for future entries and your only option is to be one of those weird nerds that ignore the prequels as not existing, so in a way he isn't entirely wrong. I know I feel less excited about Star Wars in general even if the original movies will always be there, it's hard to ignore everything else, especially for a franchise as big as SWs, these aren't cheap DTV movies. |
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There is that. Like, you see Admiral Ackbar leaning back in his chair, sighing in relief at the end of "Return of the Jedi"'s victory... but deep down you can't simply ignore (I mean, I guess you can, but it's still there) that you know he'll still be fighting Imperials 40 years later, and dying off-camera to help a bunch of "Rebels" that aren't rebels. And that's stupid and sucks.
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Star Wars totally sux now
In 10 years no one will be raving about the new trilogy or anthology films anymore
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"Let's turn all the 1s to 0s... so we're all the same and everything and everybody is equal!"
I wonder where I've heard that ideology before...
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As I said before, you can pick and choose what movies to watch. Every single movie franchise has had a bad sequel in there somewhere if they go on for multiple iterations. Then of course you have the inevitable reboots that happen 10 years later, sometimes those are good but sometimes worse than the originals. As I said, you can just ignore them. I don't see what is so hard about this.
Die Hard 5 which I've never watched I heard was horrible. Does that make me dislike Die Hard 1-4? No, because I never watched it. Even if I eventually did it wouldn't make me change my opinion on the older movies because I can just ignore it. Hell there's a Home Alone 3, 4 and 5? Who gives a crap? I just watch the first 2. People ignore bad movie sequels, this isn't rocket science. |
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None. Like I’ve said, I think some people are way too cynical about movies. It’s hard explain but I just don’t view movies through the pessimism others do.
Sequels tend to be unfairly judged. Even if you don’t have preconceived ideas your mind already expects it to live up to something. They can to a point. The problem is people want sequels to match the same level of “wonder” every time. It can only happen once because the idea can only establish itself once. I always give the benefit of the doubt. As long as something is plausible within the context I’m fine with it. I’ll retrace scenes or something will occur to me and I think...ok I can see that. Plus certain stuff can always be reworked or “fixed” in sequels. I mean sequels can just as easily improve something that wasn’t well received. I do not agree bad movies can ruin franchises. If you can’t differentiate between them that’s on you. Sometimes they’re generic enough you can ignore them since they have no serious influence on storylines. Then there’s the crowd who just like to be against stuff and say “cash-grab, garbage etc”. That’s not a real argument imo.
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I'd never thought about this until now... but I think Die Hard 4 and 5 are, like, the perfect comparison pieces to the AVP films.
AVP 1 was PG-13, super light and big budget and... kind of entertaining if tame in what it was showing, and seemed "big," but only sparingly delivered but delivered nonetheless. Same as Die Hard 4. AVP 2 was R, super gory, low budget and... not that entertaining and seemed rather small. Never delivered. Maybe in parts. Same as Die Hard 5. You know, I've wondered about those movies for years. Particularly 4. I haven't even heard of 5. I say 4 only because it involves Kevin McCallister again, even if it's a different actor. 3 just had some different, random as*hole kid in a different scenario, as best as I can recall reading about it... hardly catnip to make one go and see it, even a kid.
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More sequels to a story that don't necessarily compromise characters or ideas excessively are fine. Take TMNT III for example, it's not a great movie and has the turtles acting silly but you can ignore it easily and if they had made a TMNT 4 it would've been fine. The point in the OP is more of a series of movies that has messed up characters for so long that no matter what they do in a sequel they can't fix it or that they've tried rebooting the idea so many times and keep failing that you just don't care to check out that franchise anymore. Quote:
HA3 came out when I was a bit older so I didn't care to check it out since there were other movies I'd rather ask for but counting it came out in the 90s I think I may find it entertaining even if only nostalgia of the way the movie is. Isn't HA4 a reboot? HA 5 I also hadn't heard about and I remember looking the wikipedia of the Home Alone franchise maybe 2 years ago or so when I re-watched the first two films. |
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Prometheus and Aliens: Covenant took away the 'alieness' of the Alien and Space Jockey, instead making it all connected around humans and some dumb android with daddy issues. I hate this producer 'explaining the mystery' just so he can insert his pet character David as the linchpin to it all, trying to make it 'deep' and have 'meaning' about the relationship between creator and creation, when that crap is for another genre entirely, not what should be a horror movie in space. To me, the Alien is a monster that is just one of the cruel hazards of nature that exists out in a cold indifferent universe. It's not nice, it doesn't give a damn about humans, it just does what it can to survive in an extremely harsh environment. The Space Jockeys are just another alien surprise out there, strange elephantoid giants that roam space in their bizarre spaceships, who are just as alien as the Alien, and might even be as cold and unfeeling towards the fragile humans that get a glimpse of them. Neither of these aliens had any connection to humans, and that is what makes the 'universe' so vast and scary. Ridley Scott grossly undermined what would have been two viable (but separate) franchise by not being able to bear having his precious android not see the light of day at that moment, so we got subjected to a 'deep' movie about the relationship between a creation and it's creator, lots of pretentious navelgazing, and the homoerotic line between two David models, 'You blow, and I'll finger,' in what is supposed to be a movie about some H.R Giger monsters in space. I would not have begrudged R. Scott if he had made his concept into a totally separate franchise. But he pretty much made it very hard to recover, since now he's made these concepts indelibly 'tied' to this franchise, and we now have a few fans even rooting for what he did to the SJs and Aliens and how his character David is 'brilliant.' Last edited by Metalwolf; 03-25-2018 at 06:48 PM. |
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