Official Justice League Movie

[sdp]

Now besides the Snyder cut I also want to see a non-removed mustache version of the Whedon full cut.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Yikes!

'Justice League' Box Office: Why A $96M Debut Is A Disaster

Aren't these the same people who said Scuicide Squad was going to flop????


I would never try to predict the success of a movie bc there a so many variables. I mean just look IT, that thing freaking smashed expectations.
I think we should wait and see the results instead speculating and stop speaking in hypotheticals

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Aren't these the same people who said Scuicide Squad was going to flop????


I would never try to predict the success of a movie bc there a so many variables. I mean just look IT, that thing freaking smashed expectations.
I think we should wait and see the results instead speculating and stop speaking in hypotheticals

Honestly there's different factors at play here ... although both movies required extensive and costly reshoots, Justice League was supposed to be the golden child that reinvigorated this little universe in terms of good will and was projected to do more substantial numbers than this. There's no way to spin with an opening of 96 million dollars, in this day and age, for the very first Justice League movie is a "wait and see" type of film. This thing is dead in the water and will more than likely get bested by Coco next week.

That's insane to me.

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by Bry

It's amazing that it might not even crack $100m... But it's not that surprising. For as vocal as his fans are, Snyder's work is just divisive. It's pretty clear most folks either love 'em or hate 'em, and when you're making superhero blockbusters in an already-crowded market, they need to be crowd-pleasers.

And sorry, but they just aren't especially good either. Being "different" and "darker" than Marvel doesn't make up for weak characters, lousy plots, and bizarre creative choices that don't remotely suit the icons being represented. Snyder's definitely talented, but IMO, they hyped him up way too much as a "visionary" and didn't have the support structure needed to really make all this work.

I feel like a soft reboot with "Flashpoint" is all but inevitable if this underperforms. Once it was announced I had a feeling that was already the plan. They've invested too much time and money to flush the DCEU entirely, but they can still clean as much of the slate as possible and start fresh with a different vision and voice guiding the whole thing. Which would probably mean rejecting as much of Snyder's tone and mood as possible. It gives them an easy out to recast Batman (and anyone else who might want out), clean up some plot holes, and freely ignore any divisive or controversial elements they'd rather not have bogging things down.

(And total wishful thinking here, but I'd be pretty damned okay if they chose to wipe away Batman torturing and branding criminals to be murdered in prison, and maybe even put in a a shot of Zod in a kryptonite-fortified underground cell under artificial red sunlight... )

I don't think they need to undo Zod''s death, but yeah, how did Batman branding people make ANY sense?? If a bat-branded criminal is sent to Gotham City Jail or whatever, why would the other criminals want to kill them?? Wouldn't they all want to commiserate about getting bested by Batman?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

I don't think they need to undo Zod''s death, but yeah, how did Batman branding people make ANY sense?? If a bat-branded criminal is sent to Gotham City Jail or whatever, why would the other criminals want to kill them?? Wouldn't they all want to commiserate about getting bested by Batman?

It's typical Snyder's "edgy" thing.

Like he once said, that he wouldn't be against Batman being prison raped or something like that.

Generally, if you have watched Sucker Punch, you might have a good picture of Snyder's logic. And it's not pretty or coherent one. Just lots of cool moments and teenage sexy fantasies.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

I don't think they need to undo Zod''s death, but yeah, how did Batman branding people make ANY sense?? If a bat-branded criminal is sent to Gotham City Jail or whatever, why would the other criminals want to kill them?? Wouldn't they all want to commiserate about getting bested by Batman?

I thought he only branded the worst kind of criminals. So it would make sense for other criminals to not get along with those criminals. But even so, wasn't that stuff orchestrated by Luthor to make Batman look bad?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Turo602

I thought he only branded the worst kind of criminals. So it would make sense for other criminals to not get along with those criminals. But even so, wasn't that stuff orchestrated by Luthor to make Batman look bad?

We saw Batman do it, though.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Honestly there's different factors at play here ... although both movies required extensive and costly reshoots, Justice League was supposed to be the golden child that reinvigorated this little universe in terms of good will and was projected to do more substantial numbers than this. There's no way to spin with an opening of 96 million dollars, in this day and age, for the very first Justice League movie is a "wait and see" type of film. This thing is dead in the water and will more than likely get bested by Coco next week.

That's insane to me.

No one was saying that Literally no one.

The director left the project, one of the stars wants out of his contract. You are extremely biased and obviously not fan and only seek to put down this movie.

This movie was supposed to do none of what you are claiming, everyone and there idiot brother could see that.

The Director left mid project, a star actor wants out of his role and your telling me people expected this movie to be good and save the DCEU???? Come on man.....

I just hope they clean the slate with a flashpoint film or something and focus on solo movies.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

We saw Batman do it, though.

I mean the branded criminals getting killed. Didn't Luthor start that?

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

No one was saying that Literally no one.

The director left the project, one of the stars wants out of his contract. You are extremely biased and obviously not fan and only seek to put down this movie.

This movie was supposed to do none of what you are claiming, everyone and there idiot brother could see that.

The Director left mid project, a star actor wants out of his role and your telling me people expected this movie to be good and save the DCEU???? Come on man.....

I just hope they clean the slate with a flashpoint film or something and focus on solo movies.

Huh? This was a bizarre read, but let me try and answer back.

You're kidding yourself if you're not under the impression that WB was hoping this was going to be the movie that would be the overall course correction. Now, was the hype machine of the general audience behind this? No, I never said that. Clearly WB was hoping to bank on the team together as something that would drive audiences to want to see it. However, they clearly realized this weekend that their DCEU was built on a truly shakey foundation. In the long run, rushing this production was a hazard to them since along with all the behind the scenes drama, they put out three incredibly divisive films that both critics and audiences weren't too crazy about.

You seem to misunderstand my phrasing of "golden child" in terms of what the general audiences were thinking against the hopes for Warner Brothers ... hence the costly rewrites and reshoots.

[NinjaPug]

Random thought....how are they going to explain Clark Kent coming back to life?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Random thought....how are they going to explain Clark Kent coming back to life?

Twin brother.
He'll be ...uh...Mark Kent.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Random thought....how are they going to explain Clark Kent coming back to life?

If they don't already give Henry the boot and just end this iteration with Superman. I believe he had a three picture deal that ran up until 2019 and so far Henry hasn't been lighting the world on fire with his portrayal as Superman. I think he's been fine ... as it's been more so the material he's had to work with, but I can easily see them putting Superman on the shelf for awhile again.

[TigerClaw]

Here's John Campea's take on the box office results.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Here's John Campea's take on the box office results.

What were they expecting? I'm glad Wonder Woman fared better, though if it sucked, I'm afraid everyone would have been saying it was good just to avoid feminist backlash.

[NinjaPug]

People still listen to Campea? Why?

[CyberCubed]

Since Justice League cost $300 million apparently how much do you suspect they'll lose?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Since Justice League cost $300 million apparently how much do you suspect they'll lose?

I read on Wikipedia or somewhere that it will apparently take $600 million at the minimum to break even.

[TigerClaw]

Probably cause of those reshoots, it added to the budget.

[CyberCubed]

The $300 million is including the re-shoots.