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Old 12-20-2014, 12:03 AM   #1
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Think we'll ever see one of the turtles depicted as having homosexual tendencies?

It's a progressing world, and lots of young kids who love the turtles will grow up to be gay men (or women). There are some turtle fans on this forum who already went through that process.

What do you think? Will we ever see one of the boys crushing on a male character?

Please keep all t-cest etc out of this. I don't have a problem with it but this isn't the place for that. Keep the thread innocent.
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:24 AM   #2
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I don't think that will ever happen and I hope not. Leave the turtles alone
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:27 AM   #3
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This has come up before, can't remember when.

But yeah, eventually, if the franchise lasts as long as Superman, Batman, etc., it'll definitely come up. They've most all been linked to various girls at least once. Eventually they'll expand on that.

There's four of them, five if you count the rat. Simply going by real-world statistics, at least one of the guys in the lair is probably gay.

Here comes the part where we get a bunch of, "NO, because I have a complex and this is a kids' franchise and I don't wanna see this kind of thing, but I swear I'm not homophobic (although Yes, you Totally Are based on the intensely knee-jerk reaction of the negative response)."

That's what happened last time, and the other last time. You'd think fans of a franchise that's entirely built on the idea "It's Okay To Be Different" would be more tolerant. But no. No, they're not.

EDIT ^^^ Case in point. Before I even finished typing. I'm never gonna be wrong about anything until the day the Sun finally expands its mass and eventually swallows the Earth. Swear to God.
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:48 AM   #4
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Honestly, if anything... Mikey's so fun loving and loving of others, I could potentially see him being a bit of a free love hippie sort who doesn't care to put up any exclusions.

(And now I must hide from any fans of his that are not into this topic... lol)
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:50 AM   #5
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Honestly, if anything... Mikey's so fun loving and loving of others, I could potentially see him being a bit of a free love hippie sort who doesn't care to put up any exclusions.

(And now I must hide from any fans of his that are not into this topic... lol)

Yep. Yep. I'm almost positive Mikey would swing both. Fits his personality. I'm with ya on that one.

And "they" can grow the f*ck up and realize what year it is.

Seriously, kids, if your favorite Ninja Turtle being gay would make you not a fan, you have issues. Big ones.
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Old 12-20-2014, 01:05 AM   #6
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I actually wondered, now that the franchise is in new ownership, and they already de-aged April and Casey, what would happen if in a future show they decided to turn one of the TMNT into a female?
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Old 12-20-2014, 01:19 AM   #7
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I don't think that will ever happen and I hope not. Leave the turtles alone
Agreed. If some people are like that then that's their business, but leave it out of the turtles.
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Old 12-20-2014, 01:34 AM   #8
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Any GOOD reasons why? Just curious.

And please, no "It's for teh kidz." There have been a variety of official TMNT interpretations over the last 30+ years that could be "rated" anything from G to R. TMNT is NOT "just for teh kidz." So again... legitimate reasons why not. Please.

As I said before, I find it... interesting... that with a franchise that is entirely about celebrating diversity, whose fans routinely celebrate that message as being a main reason why they're interested in it to begin with, and those same fans have ZERO problem with "Diversity" when it comes to race or gender... that "Gay" would be the one thing some of you can't handle.

Stuff like "Keep it out of TMNT", as if it would "ruin" it. Really? We're not exactly talking about having a gay orgy on every third page. Maybe it would be, I don't know, Donnie crushing on Casey instead of April. If that's the straw that breaks the camel's back for you... you're a bigot. End of story.

I guess some people are just in it for the f***ing pizza jokes? Or do you just completely not understand the entire message of the material you claim to be a fan of? I sincerely don't get it.

Exactly WHY would this "ruin" TMNT for anyone? I'm sincerely interested.
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:01 AM   #9
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Only thing this thread reminds me of is "You're my Dongatello" and now I feel dirty
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:35 AM   #10
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This has come up before, can't remember when.
Yeah, I read that thread - it didn't end well. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=44344

Numerous variations on the "I don't have a problem with gays, but... [insert thing here]."

I don't know why anyone even bothers prefacing their statements with that - nothing good ever comes after 'but'.

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Exactly WHY would this "ruin" TMNT for anyone? I'm sincerely interested.
I'm not - I'd prefer people keep their bigotry to themselves. But damn if some folks here don't sh*t their pants at the idea of "pandering" (aka, other people having the same representation as them which they just totally take for granted).

You shouldn't care what race, gender, species or sexuality a character is. I mean, if people can handle an anthropomorphic turtle that does martial arts, they can handle a gay character in their comic books for chrissake.
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:52 AM   #11
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I wouldn't particularly be against it, but I have to say I just don't really SEE any of them going that way. Mikey MAYBE, but given his past incarnations being so "crushy" on various females, not likely to be him. Donnie, now.... I could see it with him, maybe. (Trust me- I have my reasons....)

Or possibly Raph- it's always the "macho" guy who turns out to have that ONE "dark secret".....
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Yeah, I read that thread - it didn't end well. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=44344

Numerous variations on the "I don't have a problem with gays, but... [insert thing here]."

I don't know why anyone even bothers prefacing their statements with that - nothing good ever comes after 'but'.



I'm not - I'd prefer people keep their bigotry to themselves. But damn if some folks here don't sh*t their pants at the idea of "pandering" (aka, other people having the same representation as them which they just totally take for granted).

You shouldn't care what race, gender, species or sexuality a character is. I mean, if people can handle an anthropomorphic turtle that does martial arts, they can handle a gay character in their comic books for chrissake.
The funny thing is that there is constant proof of animals doing stuff with the same gender and same species that we consider gay IRL but they're just animals and so that's okay.
Gay fan chars? Here come the angry mobs with the pitchforks.

I'm not a total big fan of the Turtles being 'forever alone' and they'll eventually grow curious
about their feelings for either gender. Its part of real life. Sometimes it also spills over onto comics, fanart, and naughty fanfiction. Because its on the sad side that the Turtles constantly get that "unlucky at love" card played out to them all of the time.
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Old 12-20-2014, 03:07 AM   #13
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Right on the money, DarkFell. Homosexual behavior has been recorded in over 1,000 species - birds, fish, mammals, reptiles, amphibians and insects (including turtles and tortoises).

But humans are the only species that display homophobia.

And even if we were to run with the "it's for the kids" argument for a moment - so what? We can have heterosexual relationships in children's comics - why not gay ones? How is teaching children tolerance and diversity a bad thing? There are plenty of children with gay family members anyway. Reading about a gay comic character isn't going to make a child gay, any more than reading about a million straight characters has made gay people straight.

There wouldn't be anything wrong with having a gay or bi Turtle.

I was actually discussing this with a friend on the boards the other day - I would love to see an incarnation where we had a transgender Casey or April; or hell, even a genderfluid April. I'm aware that I'm in the minority on this but nonetheless. *shrugs* And I look at it this way - having an incarnation where one or more characters are non-het or non-cis isn't somehow going to make every other incarnation that we've seen them in disappear. There's still going to be all the old stuff - so I really don't see how it can hurt to have something different that other people would like to see.
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Old 12-20-2014, 03:23 AM   #14
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Thanks for helping me find my words and I didn't like my first post that much.
As for them finding more permanent partners, I would like to see that. OT never went that far, and Nick TMNT's April cannot make up her mind between Donnie and Casey.
Aside from what might have happened in the comic series, no real romantic character development anything ever came about in the shows *correct me if I'm wrong* because the only mentality present is "its suppose to be a kids show..", and everyone knows that we gotta run that tight ship.

Which was why I was happier when Gargoyles came about. Because we finally got a show that allowed for some character development and it wasn't treated as " just a cartoon.."
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Old 12-20-2014, 03:40 AM   #15
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I'm not really OK with it mostly because I got the feeling it would feel to forced. Also I feel there should be some consistency between different iterations of characters and they have all been established to be heterosexual for long periods of time. Sexuality shouldn't be as throw away as a belt buckle or tape bandages.

If they want to make a new character gay or maybe even one that doesn't have a very long established history in the franchise I can be down with that.
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I do find it hilarious that in kids media, you can sexualize a fish have a human be romantic with a bee, have strait people kiss and make out.

But potray a gay relationship? THINK OF THE CILDRENZ!! They might catch the gay!

I can see the Turtle be any orientation. Despite what TV tries to tell us, an orientation isn't dictated by a person or a character's personality, shocking I know.
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Or possibly Raph- it's always the "macho" guy who turns out to have that ONE "dark secret".....
Ha...Hahahaha! Ah, that made me laugh.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this question before (like Leo said), but I don't really have a stance on it. If it happened, I wouldn't get mad or anything; but I'd also be totally cool if it didn't. I don't think it's really necessary for any of them to go gay, but it'd be a worthwhile twist, for sure. I guess I'd be cool with it as long as they didn't go too far with it - but then, what is "too far"? (shrugs)

Yeah. I don't have an answer.

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But potray a gay relationship? THINK OF THE CILDRENZ!! They might catch the gay!
Hah, basically.
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Old 12-20-2014, 05:23 AM   #18
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There's four of them, five if you count the rat. Simply going by real-world statistics, at least one of the guys in the lair is probably gay.
1.6 percent of the US is gay. They are much more likely to be all straight.
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I was actually discussing this with a friend on the boards the other day - I would love to see an incarnation where we had a transgender Casey or April; or hell, even a genderfluid April.
Oh! Hi friend! c:

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Which was why I was happier when Gargoyles came about. Because we finally got a show that allowed for some character development and it wasn't treated as " just a cartoon.."
Incidentally, Gargoyles had the canonically gay Lexington. [And he's so cute, too. I approve.]

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I'm not really OK with it mostly because I got the feeling it would feel to forced. Also I feel there should be some consistency between different iterations of characters and they have all been established to be heterosexual for long periods of time.
Wouldn't be any more forced than some of the ways they've shoehorned Casey/April into anything [like that first movie... don't get me wrong, I love me some Capril, but it just didn't get any development in that film]

And I don't remember them being strictly referred to as "straight" basically ever. Being attracted to women doesn't make you straight. Bisexual people exist.

I don't even need to answer the question this thread asks everybody knows my answer anyway
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It may not be necessary for them to be gay - it's not necessary for them to be straight either.

They've been portrayed in relationships with people of the opposite gender in the past - that doesn't preclude there being a version where a character is canonically gay. Or bisexual, or pan, for that matter - people seem to get into this totally black-or-white mindset where gay vs straight are the only options for a character.

The Big Bad wrote an excellent article on this subject, and I do hope they don't mind me referencing it here but it raises some excellent points and pretty much knocks down the standard arguments far better than I could:
http://nymonsters.wordpress.com/2012...ay-characters/
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