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Old 12-20-2014, 06:03 PM   #81
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:03 PM   #82
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Are you suggesting Raph and Leo might be Coming Out of Their Shells?

I think it wouldn't be fair for them to try and Walk Straight if it's not who they really are.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:04 PM   #83
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Are you suggesting Raph and Leo might be Coming Out of Their Shells?
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:05 PM   #84
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We could have Donnie and April fight over Casey
Throw in some Raph jealousy for good measure, but keep 'em guessing where the jealousy actually lies.



Just wait until the HBO version someday... Then no one and nothing will probably be off limits. The life and times of adult mutant Turtles who really don't give a crap what stupid humans - their world, real world, or otherwise - think. Will either be a guilty pleasure hit or scar many people for life.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:05 PM   #85
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I think it wouldn't be fair for them to try and Walk Straight if it's not who they really are.
Maybe the creators just need to know that they can Count on Us to respond embracingly as a fans.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:07 PM   #86
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You're a lotta fun, ya know that?
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:08 PM   #87
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You're a lotta fun, ya know that?
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:09 PM   #88
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I couldn't remember all the titles.

You. You're good, you.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:10 PM   #89
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Throw in some Raph jealousy for good measure, but keep 'em guessing where the jealousy actually lies.



Just wait until the HBO version someday... Then no one and nothing will probably be off limits. The life and times of adult mutant Turtles who really don't give a crap what stupid humans - their world, real world, or otherwise - think. Will either be a guilty pleasure hit or scar many people for life.
HBO Turtles. Man, nothing could be sweeter. Get the right show runner, and BOOM, Massive hit.

T'would be Glorious.

Oh, and Karai? Lesbian, fo' sho. Bi-curious at the very least.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:10 PM   #90
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It wouldn't bother me too much if any of the turtles or Splinter was gay, what bothers me is that it's a gimmick move that a lot of franchises are doing now. So where are my TMNT 2012 Latino characters at? I'd enjoy seeing a competent character who was Mexican or Puerto Rican and there's many that would as well. If everyone needs a gay character in the show, why not make it Shredder? He hides behind a mask, wears a flamboyant set of armor, has a adopted daughter in Karai, and is surrounded by henchmen but never any women. Shredder also is very dominant over his minions which shows insecurity of his homosexuality.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:11 PM   #91
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Raph isn't gay?
I'm as shocked as you are.

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And I can DEFINITELY see Raph as a closet self-loather. The signs are there.


Seriously though - I'm not really in the mood for heavy conversation today so I won't add much here but Leo, loving your posts. Good work, man.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:11 PM   #92
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I couldn't remember all the titles.

You. You're good, you.
I had to look them up on the redoubtable TMNTpedia. No way am I insane enough to have ever heard those songs, let alone commit their names to memory.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:14 PM   #93
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That record is THE BOMB and I'll suffer no argument, heathen. For as crappy as the rest of COOTS was, I ain't even gonna try and hate on the record. That ish was fly AND funky-fresh.

penny: thanks, I try. And if that Raph gif ain't Proof, I'unno what is. GEE, y'think the guy watches a lotta Prince videos, or is it just me?

precision: All fair points, bud.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:15 PM   #94
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Jackass.
I did it for Cubed. one of these days' I'll provoke a response dang 'nabbit.
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Christ. Cubed makes me wish Batman WAS gay, just to watch Cubed's head break open. I have a theory it's full of fire ants.
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Christ. Cubed makes me wish Batman WAS gay, just to watch Cubed's head break open. I have a theory it's full of fire ants.
Nope, it's this:
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:19 PM   #97
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:32 PM   #98
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If everyone needs a gay character in the show, why not make it Shredder? He hides behind a mask, wears a flamboyant set of armor, has a adopted daughter in Karai, and is surrounded by henchmen but never any women. Shredder also is very dominant over his minions which shows insecurity of his homosexuality.
...and maybe he wasn't jealous of Yoshi getting the girl, maybe he was jealous of the girl getting Yoshi and killed the competition. Omg.

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Oh, and Karai? Lesbian, fo' sho. Bi-curious at the very least.
And no doubt still a Turtle tease. lol
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:33 PM   #99
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Well, that brings us back around, doesn't it? We can't make Progress if nobody's going to Try.

I think TMNT has, and has always had, some really great, really powerful messages about diversity and tolerance. I love that! That's why I think it's ideal for one or more of the Turtles to be gay, or bi, or whatever else. It fits. Also, family! TMNT has always been about family. Well, in real life, some TMNT fans are gay and have struggled to be open with their friends and family. Imagine what an amazing message it would be for them, how they might see themselves represented in the material, if they saw one of the Turtles sharing that struggle. I mean, I could totally see Leonardo struggling with it... "What would Master Splinter think!" Imagine if he finally opened up about it, only for Splinter to state the obvious, that it changes nothing and they're still the same Family they've always been. Maybe, I don't know, maybe Raphael would have a hard time hearing it at first, give him a hard time about it, but then, eventually, have to rethink his position, change his thinking, and become more tolerant and accepting in the end because hey, they're Family, and there's Nothing Wrong With It anyway.

That's real. That's real life. Just ideas, but still, you get the point. I think it would be very progressive and powerful, and again, only serve to reinforce the themes that have always been there. Tolerance. Diversity. Family. That's interesting, to me. There are a lot of Good Stories, meaningful ones, that you can do once you crack that door open a little.

Good conversation going on at this point, by the way, everyone.
It is an interesting discussion, I agree.

As far as acceptance goes, it can be a mixed bag as to the 'goodness' of it. I always feel it's a good kind when it basically means "I am not going to reject you for opening up about having those kinds of feelings," but never when it must be unilateral gushing and never being critical. I think for me, I would want someone to not reject me, but at the same time not think they must be 'accepting and tolerant and affirming' which would make me barf. Some people feed off of that and love to play the woobie, but that is not how I roll.

I will mention though that my viewpoints come from a perspective that not many people are used to. I am Christian who has bisexual feelings, and I am celibate for religious reasons. I say that because it helps to show that LGBT folks are truly a 'rainbow' of differing perspectives, and not just the monochrome view that the media loves to show us as.
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Old 12-20-2014, 07:05 PM   #100
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I wouldn't mind seeing any of the characters portrayed as LBGTA, and personally, I'm writing Mikey as gay... and not like flamingly feather-boa gay. Same old Mikey, just the fact is he doesn't like girls that way. (I personally think the clues are there.) As was said, one aspect of your personality doesn't define who you are (like how Bay & co. drop a pair of glasses on someone to indicate they're doing something intelligent. *eyeroll* "I put on my +2 Lenses of Owl's Wisdom!"). I think it can be addressed subtly and doesn't have to come as a plot point or anything. Just because it's in there doesn't mean you have to wave a red flag around it to make a big point and attract everyone's attention to it.

I don't think it ever will be addressed on-screen because BS&P and/or Nick won't want to touch the issue.

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Incidentally, Gargoyles had the canonically gay Lexington. [And he's so cute, too. I approve.]
Not really canon... According to creator Greg Wiseman's "grand vision," yes, Lex would have been gay. But by what was produced by Disney, no.
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