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Old 11-13-2017, 09:23 AM   #101
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i don't actually KNOW know her.

but my interacts with her on that FB Group didn't make a very good impression.

i found it very ironic that she of all people should be talking toxicity.

guess anyone that doesn't share her similar views must be toxic?
Nah, dude.
People having a difference of opinion isn't what makes something a toxic environment.

It's how folks approach that difference of opinion, and how they're treated in the wake of that difference of opinion.

One of my favorite quotes from SDCC was in a DC panel. It was the Editor in Chief talking about how every panel at a convention could be someone's first panel. And what happens at that panel will determine whether they stay in the room.

Andrew may crow about uprooting plants, but those threads could have been someone's first experience on this forum. And I wouldn't blame them for never wanting to come back after watching that all happen.

I didn't like the Bay movies, but I'm not going to begrudge folks that do.
And I'm certainly not going to badger them for it. Or, take their bait if they try to badger me in return.

Fun sidebar to the DC panel story:
That was the last of their panels I've gone to, based entirely on audience reaction.
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A lot just get older and older and angrier and angrier, all the while waiting for the world to bend to their whim, never, ever really being satisfied with any of the "victories" achieved at large and wondering why no one outside of whatever construct bubble they've placed themself [sic] (look, I did it!) in wants to mess with them.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:34 AM   #102
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I think that's very much the case. Especially if a lot of the PD fans were young teens (not much older than 14 maybe) who really didn't have the cognitive sense to take a moment and think about the flaws in the films that the older fans abhorred. They're kids hopped up on the Transformers Action Train who went way overboard on their excitement, and when they got screamed at for being "plants", they couldn't handle it. Because they're kids.

No matter how bad the films are, there are still people who like the films - even those who take them as a guilty pleasure.

It's far more likely that they were young fans who didn't know any better. I don't see much financial logic in hiring people to plug the movie on some message board no one in the Big Leagues would know about. Is it possible on Twitter and Facebook? Of course. But I don't think it would work in a low-tier social media platform like a messageboard - which is a dying medium as it is.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:54 AM   #103
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Nah, dude.
People having a difference of opinion isn't what makes something a toxic environment.

It's how folks approach that difference of opinion, and how they're treated in the wake of that difference of opinion.

One of my favorite quotes from SDCC was in a DC panel. It was the Editor in Chief talking about how every panel at a convention could be someone's first panel. And what happens at that panel will determine whether they stay in the room.

Andrew may crow about uprooting plants, but those threads could have been someone's first experience on this forum. And I wouldn't blame them for never wanting to come back after watching that all happen.

I didn't like the Bay movies, but I'm not going to begrudge folks that do.
And I'm certainly not going to badger them for it. Or, take their bait if they try to badger me in return.

Fun sidebar to the DC panel story:
That was the last of their panels I've gone to, based entirely on audience reaction.
yeah i do recall at one time Andrew once calling me a plant after being excited after seeing OotS opening weekend.
i laughed it off, but i can definitely see how it's rub people the wrong way.
i won't deny there were things i did enjoy about the movie, but then again sometimes i'd much prefer to watch Schumaker's Batman movies over the renowned Nolan Batman movies.
(yeah i said it trolls! come get me!)

but i can definitely see your point.
i had to eventually unfollow a few FB pages of things i really enjoyed due to people acting like complete asses.

btw... at the DC panel, what were the audience doing that put you off?
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:04 AM   #104
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It was a woman in the spoiler costume asking questions the audience didn't like, so they heckled her, and the moderators didn't really do much to stop them.

There isn't a DC property that I care enough about to sit through that basic Fanboy level of crap.

Turtles, on the other hand, I am very invested in.
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:15 PM   #105
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It was a woman in the spoiler costume asking questions the audience didn't like, so they heckled her, and the moderators didn't really do much to stop them.
Was that the one with Stephanie Brown Batgirl asking hard-hitting questions? I think that was the last year they had big open Q&As with the audience.
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:31 PM   #106
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Was that the one with Stephanie Brown Batgirl asking hard-hitting questions? I think that was the last year they had big open Q&As with the audience.
Probably.
It did not leave me with a really positive impression of DC Fanboys.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:20 PM   #107
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Yeah I feel like the whole plant thing was way overboard. Heck he even called ME a plant at one point even though I've been here long enough he should have known better- or was just doing it to be "funny"(snarky). It's no wonder so many of the new fans left in a hurry if that was the "welcome" they got for liking the new movies.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:26 PM   #108
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Yeah I feel like the whole plant thing was way overboard. Heck he even called ME a plant at one point even though I've been here long enough he should have known better- or was just doing it to be "funny"(snarky). It's no wonder so many of the new fans left in a hurry if that was the "welcome" they got for liking the new movies.
Yeah, there been many here accused of being a so called Plant, even though they been on this board for a very long time, some people just have different taste then others, that tends to divide the community, good thing we have multiple versions of TMNT out there, everyone has there own preference.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:49 PM   #109
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Yeah, there been many here accused of being a so called Plant, even though they been on this board for a very long time, some people just have different taste then others, that tends to divide the community, good thing we have multiple versions of TMNT out there, everyone has there own preference.
Yup. I’ve been called a so called “Plant” too.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:54 PM   #110
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hey! there's worse things in life than being called a plant.



at least nobody was called "buttface" or "stinky poopy farty pants".
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:25 AM   #111
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While I do think there was a few Nick paid goons here, the plant thing went waaay overboard. All of those newcomers were NOT plants, I'm used to new fans dropping in on fandom message boards after a new product is released, even if the majority of established fans hate the new product. New fans that come with new product with new product is how a fandom stays alive and healthy; you don't chase them off, you recommend the older quality stuff to them, and win them over through arguments and persuasion. But during the release of the bay films, a few on the boards this boards started to attack ALL of the newbies who liked the film, and most of therm hightailed it out along with the real plants.

This kind of 'red scare witch hunt' garbage is the snake eating it's own tail, and is further proof to me of how toxic this place can be.
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:23 AM   #112
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Exclusionary gatekeeper nonsense is the Cornerstone of conservation fandom.

Their love is less love of a thing, and more the obsessive stalking of a thing.
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:10 AM   #113
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I've been mostly lurking here for 10 years now and I enjoy reading some of the threads but it isn't uncommon to hear about these forums in a negative light from others.
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:31 AM   #114
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the problem i have with nu fans is that they usually don't respect alot of the older stuff and tend to trash it just because it's old. who needs that around here?

where as older more original fans tend to USUALLY find something good in all iterations.
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:48 AM   #115
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the problem i have with nu fans is that they usually don't respect alot of the older stuff and tend to trash it just because it's old. who needs that around here?

where as older more original fans tend to USUALLY find something good in all iterations.
very good terminology this 'NU FAN'.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:02 AM   #116
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Unless it's Nick San? (is that why you said usually)

As a new fan (and yes my username is horrible) I have been interested to explore the franchise and the variations. I also think it's important if you are joining a site such as this one, how can join in properly or appreciate the different views otherwise. Granted, there is a LOT to explore (so if I have come off as ignorant it hasn't been intentional btw) but it depends to what extent you want to do that.
Edit: That being said though, in the end the 'newbie' may still prefer the version they liked to start.

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Old 11-15-2017, 10:33 AM   #117
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the problem i have with nu fans is that they usually don't respect alot of the older stuff and tend to trash it just because it's old. who needs that around here?

where as older more original fans tend to USUALLY find something good in all iterations.
I haven't seen that. In fact, I've seen the opposite. You can see people trashing the Nick series on TMNT's official Facebook page right now, & it's been that way 5 years straight. You yourself as an original fan have spent the better part of 6 months bashing it, too.
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Unless it's Nick San? (is that why you said usually)
If I didn't, I'd have the vultures circling for the kill .


Even I can find something to like in the nick show, even if it's not my cup of tea and I think it's greatly flawed. just like next mutation before it, although not quite at that level.

with alot of the younger, newer fans, I find most seem resistant to the old stuff, and will only focus on the new for as long as it interests them. then they move on to the next new thing. only a few will stick around and get into the older stuff.

-edit oh who am i kidding, the vultures are constantly circling .

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Old 11-15-2017, 10:56 AM   #119
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:41 PM   #120
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Vegita-san does exactly what he complains about, and I don't think he even realizes it.
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