Official Episode Discussion S2 #22 "Vengeance is Mine"

**Machias Banshee** · 06-27-2014, 08:05 PM

I really wish I knew how to embed vimeo...

Happy Friday, turtle fans!

After the unusual body swap situation last week, we're finally getting back to some meaty goodness of the main storyline with Shredder and Karai. This will be the last episode before the short haitus that will bring us to the actual season finale. So let's have some fun with over-analyzing!

Okay, so Karai's been rotting in Shredder's prison for the past two weeks. She knows now that she's Splinter's daughter, the one she'd been brainwashed her entire life to search out and destroy. And the one who she thought cared for her was just a manipulative kidnapper and murderer. Two two weeks confined in the prison had to be a torturous time of self-reflection, probably some denial, anger, soul searching, and heartache. To know that your entire life as you know it has been a lie, part of a larger agenda of hate and obsession... how do you cope with that?

There's been some speculation that Karai's going to be mutated in this episode. It may be a one-episode thing, or a short arc for the finale. How will the fandom react? WHAT is she going to turn into? Could this be a brief stint of a female turtle on the show? Or could she be turned into a new version of Mona Lisa? Who knows...

Leo's chomping at the bit to get her out and bring her back to the lair. Maybe a lil too much... I know there's some debate about it, but considering Karai is Splinter's daughter by birth, and the boys were mutated with his DNA, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see them as quasi-biological half-siblings. Leo may get the talk with a lil dash of RONDORI if he's not careful...

So the boys are gonna go and keep Shredders mutant minions busy while Leo plays white knight. Will Splinter get involved? He seemed awfully detached last week, when he told the turtles to sit back and wait instead of going out and searching for Raphael.

Why... is he holing himself up again and being so distant? The boys still need him - they're still only kids. Leo's just barely getting into puberty with his voice change (

). Is he so wrapped up in the past that he can't see the present problems? Or is he subconsciously distancing himself to go back to his old human life with Karai? There's still the chance of de-mutation with Donatello's experiments.... he could be human again. Is he hiding in his study thinking about this? A way out? Or is it simply that the writers are holding him back so that his battles make more of an explosive impression on us viewers?

And what of April and Casey? They obviously want to take part and help the turtles. April's been busting her hump in practice with Splinter, and he's grown quite fond of her... even giving her what was meant to be his daughter's metal fan. And Casey... pretty much is either ready to get in a fight, or show off to impress April.

WILL THE TURTLES RESCUE KARAI?!
WILL SPLINTER FACE SHREDDER AGAIN!?
WILL WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY BETWEEN SAKI AND YOSHI?!
WILL LEO EVER STOP BLUSHING AROUND KARAI?!

Stay Tuned!!

*BabyTurtles* · 06-29-2014, 01:34 AM

I saw the new episode thanx to I-tunes....

Spoiler:

*Zulithe* · 06-29-2014, 01:36 AM

New episode thoughts in SPOILER TAG! WOW.

10/10 for me

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*BabyTurtles* · 06-29-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe

New episode thoughts in SPOILER TAG! WOW.

10/10 for me

Spoiler:

it was an awesome episode~!!

Spoiler:

*Zulithe* · 06-29-2014, 01:47 AM

I know BabyTurtles, such a great episode wow! I'm going to watch it again soon.

Here are some screencaps... SPOILERS!!!

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*BabyTurtles* · 06-29-2014, 01:51 AM

another quick thing I am SOOOOOO happy this episode did wass

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Tora · 06-29-2014, 09:59 PM

So I wonder if new Karai is based on Scale Tail?

**Machias Banshee** · 06-29-2014, 07:13 AM

I moved some of the spoileriffic posts from the season two discussion to here. Have fun.

*Vicky82* · 06-29-2014, 07:20 AM

This episode was amazing, it was emotional, I was shaking and I had tears in my eyes at the end.

Will post thoughts later.

I feel this episode will have mixed reactions from everyone.

CowabungaMikey · 06-29-2014, 07:25 AM

This was a fantastic episode. When Miwa / Karai hugged Splinter... wow. I don't really like her mutation, but it's fine. A 9.1/10 for me.

*Netkeeper* · 06-29-2014, 07:39 AM

I don't usually get to watch an episode the day it comes out. I don't have a lot of context, though. Guess I'll just paste what I typed to a friend on Skype as I watched it under a cut.

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*MrTMNT2012* · 06-29-2014, 07:29 AM

Did anyone else think this episode was extremely rushed?

This could've easily been a 2-parter but they just had to wrap everything in this one episode. We didn't even get a proper climax because of what happened to Karai, everything just sort of stopped instead of becoming more tense. Shredder's character development is very inconsistent IMO, he's shown to be ruthless one second but then genuinely care for his 'daughter' the next even though she just tried to kill him.

The way Karai mutated was literally the dumbest way possible and Shredder still blames Splinter for that. Also Snakarai's design is the weakest so far in the series.

Episode could've been way better IMO... (6.5/10)

*Vicky82* · 06-29-2014, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Did anyone else think this episode was extremely rushed?

This could've easily been a 2-parter but they just had to wrap everything in this one episode. We didn't even get a proper climax because of what happened to Karai, everything just sort of stopped instead of becoming more tense. Shredder's character development is very inconsistent IMO, he's shown to be ruthless one second but then genuinely care for his 'daughter' the next even though she just tried to kill him.

The way Karai mutated was literally the dumbest way possible and Shredder still blames Splinter for that. Also Snakarai's design is the weakest so far in the series.

Episode could've been way better IMO... (6.5/10)

It didn't feel rushed to me and it did end on a cliffhanger so it could make the next 4 episode more tense. I feel this episode was more emotional than tense.

*ObiWanFan4life* · 06-29-2014, 08:03 AM

Really Good Episode. Lots of great moments that I won't spoil (too much) until the episode has passed.

TurFlytle · 06-29-2014, 07:40 AM

I think Shredder is becoming a hypocrite at this point.

C'mon, he blamed Splinter for Karai's mutation even though he was the one responsible for hanging her near a mutagen vat. He even broke the chains that held the cage! I feel sorry for Karai now, but at least she turned back to normal-ish. Listen Ciro, if you want "every" single human character mutate, I'm out. After that, those three are going to be scarred for life, especially Shredhead the hypocrite.

*Zulithe* · 06-29-2014, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

I moved some of the spoileriffic posts from the season two discussion to here. Have fun.

Thaaaanks!

Awesome ep guys let's revel in it ^__^

*Allio* · 06-29-2014, 10:01 AM

*Snake girl Karai

my fet!sh...

Spoiler:

*snake* · 06-29-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Allio

*Snake girl Karai

my fet!sh...

Spoiler:

No one can see your image.

*Allio* · 06-29-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by snake

No one can see your image.

wonder why

I would like a hug from snake Karai

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*Ninjinister* · 06-29-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Allio

my fet!sh...

Why did you spell that with an exclamation point?

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06-27-2014, 08:05 PM	#1
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Official Episode Discussion S2 #22 "Vengeance is Mine" I really wish I knew how to embed vimeo... Happy Friday, turtle fans! After the unusual body swap situation last week, we're finally getting back to some meaty goodness of the main storyline with Shredder and Karai. This will be the last episode before the short haitus that will bring us to the actual season finale. So let's have some fun with over-analyzing! Okay, so Karai's been rotting in Shredder's prison for the past two weeks. She knows now that she's Splinter's daughter, the one she'd been brainwashed her entire life to search out and destroy. And the one who she thought cared for her was just a manipulative kidnapper and murderer. Two two weeks confined in the prison had to be a torturous time of self-reflection, probably some denial, anger, soul searching, and heartache. To know that your entire life as you know it has been a lie, part of a larger agenda of hate and obsession... how do you cope with that? There's been some speculation that Karai's going to be mutated in this episode. It may be a one-episode thing, or a short arc for the finale. How will the fandom react? WHAT is she going to turn into? Could this be a brief stint of a female turtle on the show? Or could she be turned into a new version of Mona Lisa? Who knows... Leo's chomping at the bit to get her out and bring her back to the lair. Maybe a lil too much... I know there's some debate about it, but considering Karai is Splinter's daughter by birth, and the boys were mutated with his DNA, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see them as quasi-biological half-siblings. Leo may get the talk with a lil dash of RONDORI if he's not careful... So the boys are gonna go and keep Shredders mutant minions busy while Leo plays white knight. Will Splinter get involved? He seemed awfully detached last week, when he told the turtles to sit back and wait instead of going out and searching for Raphael. Why... is he holing himself up again and being so distant? The boys still need him - they're still only kids. Leo's just barely getting into puberty with his voice change (). Is he so wrapped up in the past that he can't see the present problems? Or is he subconsciously distancing himself to go back to his old human life with Karai? There's still the chance of de-mutation with Donatello's experiments.... he could be human again. Is he hiding in his study thinking about this? A way out? Or is it simply that the writers are holding him back so that his battles make more of an explosive impression on us viewers? And what of April and Casey? They obviously want to take part and help the turtles. April's been busting her hump in practice with Splinter, and he's grown quite fond of her... even giving her what was meant to be his daughter's metal fan. And Casey... pretty much is either ready to get in a fight, or show off to impress April. WILL THE TURTLES RESCUE KARAI?! WILL SPLINTER FACE SHREDDER AGAIN!? WILL WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY BETWEEN SAKI AND YOSHI?! WILL LEO EVER STOP BLUSHING AROUND KARAI?! Stay Tuned!!

06-29-2014, 01:36 AM	#3
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 6,005	New episode thoughts in SPOILER TAG! WOW. 10/10 for me Spoiler: "Vengence Is Mine" This episode guys... THIS EPISODE! I almost thought I was watching a totally different show, it was so far above what I've come to expect from it. I think that's the biggest compliment I can give. So many cool sequences and a really fantastic surprise at the end. It felt a TINY bit rushed there at the end... which is a shame but it doesn't diminish it for me. Poor Karai... nooooooo!!! Her mutation is definitely not something I saw anyone predict. A white snake mutation 10/10! it sets a new standard for what an episode of this show can be as far as I'm concerned.

06-29-2014, 01:51 AM	#6
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	another quick thing I am SOOOOOO happy this episode did wass Spoiler: have Shredder actually CARE about Karai....like he didn't want to mutate her...and was seriously devastated (like Splinter) when she did ........it was nice to see Oroku not betray Karai, just because he still wanted vengeance...even when he was fighting Karai he didn't seem to want to fight back. __________________

06-29-2014, 07:25 AM	#10
CowabungaMikey Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 661	This was a fantastic episode. When Miwa / Karai hugged Splinter... wow. I don't really like her mutation, but it's fine. A 9.1/10 for me. __________________ Cowabunga says it all!

06-29-2014, 01:34 AM	#2
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	I saw the new episode thanx to I-tunes.... Spoiler: wow....just....wow... __________________

06-29-2014, 01:47 AM	#5
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 6,005	I know BabyTurtles, such a great episode wow! I'm going to watch it again soon. Here are some screencaps... SPOILERS!!! Spoiler:

06-29-2014, 09:59 PM	#7
Tora Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 254	So I wonder if new Karai is based on Scale Tail?

06-29-2014, 07:13 AM	#8
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	I moved some of the spoileriffic posts from the season two discussion to here. Have fun.

06-29-2014, 07:20 AM	#9
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,775	This episode was amazing, it was emotional, I was shaking and I had tears in my eyes at the end. Will post thoughts later. I feel this episode will have mixed reactions from everyone.

06-29-2014, 07:29 AM	#12
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	Did anyone else think this episode was extremely rushed? This could've easily been a 2-parter but they just had to wrap everything in this one episode. We didn't even get a proper climax because of what happened to Karai, everything just sort of stopped instead of becoming more tense. Shredder's character development is very inconsistent IMO, he's shown to be ruthless one second but then genuinely care for his 'daughter' the next even though she just tried to kill him. The way Karai mutated was literally the dumbest way possible and Shredder still blames Splinter for that. Also Snakarai's design is the weakest so far in the series. Episode could've been way better IMO... (6.5/10) __________________ Fav Quote - 87 Leo: "TURTLES FIGHT WITH HONOUR!" Fav Series - 2012 Nickelodeon Fav Game - Out of the Shadows Fav Comic - IDW Series Fav Movie - Liebesman's TMNT (2014)

06-29-2014, 08:03 AM	#14
ObiWanFan4life Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,724	Really Good Episode. Lots of great moments that I won't spoil (too much) until the episode has passed. __________________ "The force will be with you, always" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

06-29-2014, 07:40 AM	#15
TurFlytle Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 534	Shredder's a hypocrite I think Shredder is becoming a hypocrite at this point. C'mon, he blamed Splinter for Karai's mutation even though he was the one responsible for hanging her near a mutagen vat. He even broke the chains that held the cage! I feel sorry for Karai now, but at least she turned back to normal-ish. Listen Ciro, if you want "every" single human character mutate, I'm out. After that, those three are going to be scarred for life, especially Shredhead the hypocrite.

06-29-2014, 10:01 AM	#17
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,085	Snake girl Karai my fet!sh... Spoiler: __________________ Last edited by Allio; 06-29-2014 at 10:14 AM.*