The Technodrome Forums

Go Back   The Technodrome Forums > General Forums > General Discussion > Everything Else

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-24-2017, 06:42 PM   #1
TurtleWA
Mad Scientist
 
TurtleWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 1,798
Is there a limit to what humans can create through technology and science?

I have just recently started thinking about this question. I still haven't arrived on an answer. What are your thought?
TurtleWA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 06:54 PM   #2
FredWolfLeonardo
FW Fanboy
 
FredWolfLeonardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Fourside
Posts: 2,075
Yes, there are plenty of limits.

Humans can't create or destroy matter, only change it into a different form.

Can't create immaterial entities like our minds. No Artificial intelligence has free will and is purely physical.

Basically we cannot defy the laws of physics and/or use technology and science to do something illogical like create a square circle.

And most of all, no amount of technology and science can't give us a meaningful and fufilling life. People vainly look for purpose in science when there is none.

Hope you find the answer
FredWolfLeonardo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:00 PM   #3
TurtleWA
Mad Scientist
 
TurtleWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 1,798
In the present we can always find limitations. But with enough time could anything be possibly? I think 3D printing advances with food is a stepping stone to actual food replicators. And I've seen news stories about Science working on transporters.
TurtleWA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:27 PM   #4
FredWolfLeonardo
FW Fanboy
 
FredWolfLeonardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Fourside
Posts: 2,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurtleWA View Post
In the present we can always find limitations. But with enough time could anything be possibly? I think 3D printing advances with food is a stepping stone to actual food replicators. And I've seen news stories about Science working on transporters.
Under current science, I am absolutely sure that not Everything will be possible like creating matter and minds etc.

The moment people can do that, science will have to adjust radically as it is not absolute truth by definition and always changing.

The one key thing to Remember is that no matter how accurate it is, science is always a model of a natural phenomena, not the phenomena itself.

So does the method, model and body of knowledge we collectively and currently know as "science" ever be able to do something that is outside of its realm? Absolutely not but we might call to choose a potential new method "science", if we find that it can do things that current science cannot.
FredWolfLeonardo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:37 PM   #5
Powder
Endless Screw
 
Powder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Shell Ri La
Posts: 24,925
Quote:
Is there a limit to what humans can create through technology and science?
Peace on earth.
Powder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:38 PM   #6
FredWolfLeonardo
FW Fanboy
 
FredWolfLeonardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Fourside
Posts: 2,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powder View Post
Peace on earth.
Good one
FredWolfLeonardo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:39 PM   #7
TurtleWA
Mad Scientist
 
TurtleWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 1,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo View Post
Under current science, I am absolutely sure that not Everything will be possible like creating matter and minds etc.
Not certain what you mean but when I google creating matter articles show up stating science can turn light into matter.
TurtleWA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:53 PM   #8
FredWolfLeonardo
FW Fanboy
 
FredWolfLeonardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Fourside
Posts: 2,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurtleWA View Post
Not certain what you mean but when I google creating matter articles show up stating science can turn light into matter.
The Law of Conservation in science states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted.

Light is energy, it can theoretically be converted to matter, but it you need to have pre existing light to do so, and can't create Matter out of nothing.
FredWolfLeonardo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:57 PM   #9
TurtleWA
Mad Scientist
 
TurtleWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 1,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powder View Post
Peace on earth.
You raise a good question. Is war (or human conflict) inevitable? Seems like that could be a completely new thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo View Post
The Law of Conservation in science states that energy/matter cannot be created or destroyed, only converted.

Light is energy, it can theoretically be converted to matter, but it you need to have pre existing light to do so, and can't create Matter out of nothing.
Oh.
TurtleWA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 07:59 PM   #10
FredWolfLeonardo
FW Fanboy
 
FredWolfLeonardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Fourside
Posts: 2,075
I guess science also can't prevent people from making the ever present political threads on the drome
FredWolfLeonardo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 08:05 PM   #11
Papenbrook
Mad Scientist
 
Papenbrook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ☆ My Husbando's Apartment ☆
Posts: 1,079
I don't think humans can ever get close to creating a shrink ray.

I also think that 4D technology is impossible to build.
Papenbrook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-2017, 08:08 PM   #12
TurtleWA
Mad Scientist
 
TurtleWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: WA
Posts: 1,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo View Post
I guess science also can't prevent people from making the ever present political threads on the drome
Or posts quickly politicizing an innocent thread meant to be no more than fun talk about lasers and teleportation. It will eventually happen.
TurtleWA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 12:27 AM   #13
Wildcat
Mad Scientist
 
Wildcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 1,853
I think technology can evolve to do almost anything. It just takes a long time for it to get better. So I believe teleportation will be possible eventually.

I think we probably have a small understanding of how powerful technology could be.

People think we live in a really high tech world but if you look at everything around us a lot of things are still, at basics, the same as they were 80-100 years ago. They've just gotten smaller and more efficent.

Like cars operate much better but are still just 4 wheels on a platform and an engine. Laptops/PCs are smaller and faster but there's nothing revolutionary about the machines themselves without the internet.

Things we see in movies have only recently become possible like sophisticated AI, virtual reality and 3D printing but they're all still in their infancy.

Medicine is one of the things that's probably improved the best since most illness or injury can be treated and surgery is not medieval trial and error.
__________________
Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.
Wildcat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 12:33 AM   #14
Andrew NDB
Weed Whacker
 
Andrew NDB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 12,046
I believe that on the current trajectory, any kind of "cool!" technology, even anything of a meaningful spacefaring sort, will not see the light of day before all resources have to be poured into solving the problems we're allowing to proliferate now.
Andrew NDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 12:39 AM   #15
Utrommaniac
It only took 30 years
 
Utrommaniac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Texas, US
Posts: 3,222
Transferring images from the mind to paper/computer...as much as I wish it.
__________________
Utrommaniac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 01:06 AM   #16
Prowler
Santa Maria Ozawa
 
Prowler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Portugal
Posts: 4,917
Quote:
Originally Posted by Utrommaniac View Post
Transferring images from the mind to paper/computer...as much as I wish it.
Even I'd become an artist if that as possible
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
So I've watched some of April O'Neil's "videos." They were OK, the lesbian massage ones were the best ones. I skimmed through some of the others, but eh.

I've seen better.
Prowler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 09:41 AM   #17
Spike Spiegel
Hello There!
 
Spike Spiegel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: At my desk drawing something
Posts: 2,059
I used to think teleportation would be cool...and then I saw the 1986 remake of The Fly.

Whatever achievements we might make with technology are limited by our capacity to use those devices safely and ethically.

For instance, with how motorists text and drive today, would you want to see those same people piloting hovercrafts or flying cars?
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryomancer View Post
Mirage [is]...a comic about life and how life and the people closest to you just absolutely suck sometimes. It's "adult" in a very real sense, in that it deals with heavy themes that resonate more with adults, not that it's full of blood and titties or whatever.
Quote:
Originally Posted by d_osborn View Post
[TMNT 1990 director Steve] Barron recognized the early Mirage issues as perfect storyboards. It's a shame no other filmmaker has.
Spike Spiegel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 09:53 AM   #18
ProphetofGanja
Dub Professor
 
ProphetofGanja's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Dub Side of the Moon
Posts: 2,079
Yes, there are limits, but those limits lie very far from our current capabilities.
ProphetofGanja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 03:41 PM   #19
Splinter the boss
Stone Warrior
 
Splinter the boss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 869
Everything has limits. There is a place science just cannot reach.
__________________
Splinter the boss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2017, 03:42 PM   #20
Andrew NDB
Weed Whacker
 
Andrew NDB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 12,046
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splinter the boss View Post
Everything has limits. There is a place science just cannot reach.
How do you know this?
Andrew NDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.