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02-19-2018, 08:03 PM | #42 | |
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02-19-2018, 08:31 PM | #43 |
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Oh lord... Before I came around, I guess. Can both sides just behave maybe...? lol Is it so hard not to harass the creators and others involved? On the other hand, if they go poking around forums and whatnot and can't take the criticism, well they did choose on their own to go stepping into the fire and maybe aught to have avoided it. Kinda goes both ways.
It may be said that they don't owe fans anything, but fans also don't exactly owe show/movie/whatever creators anything either. But fans are going to be passionate about things they love and are going to have an opinion, no stopping that. I own that I have some strong opinions and concerns right now, and I think justified considering some of the bigger, and kinda cruddy sounding, changes have been aimed right at my boy... Doesn't mean I won't "give it a chance" though. More than likely I'll watch, even if just in hopes they'll straighten that out... (Or at best to just see what levels of ridiculous they can reach and enjoy the discussions that will no doubt happen.) Right now I'm just there watching any move like... Yeah I see you. ________________ Side note... watch THIS one actually get somewhere in the Kid's Choice Awards, while 2012 kept losing to the Sponge. |
02-19-2018, 08:48 PM | #44 |
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Don't be an a**hole to people. The show will speak for itself. Things that have to constantly defend themselves as part of their publicity are fighting an uphill battle that they know they are losing. This happened with the 2014/16 movies, and it's currently happening with Star Trek Discovery. Rise of the TMNT appears to be on the same path.
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02-19-2018, 08:57 PM | #46 | |
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I don't visit social media so I have no idea what goes on there, but I do think there's a lot of teen fans of 2012 Nick that are causing the backlash too. A lot of kids who grew up with the 2012 version are now teenagers and will resist change to a new series. Reminds us of ourselves when we were teens and we saw various franchises we like change. |
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You took what I said completely out of context.
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Criticism and flame baiting are nowhere near the same thing, nor should they be treated as the same thing.
How so?
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I was making an observation and went out of my way to make a point about how I wasn't criticizing. "Casuals" are actually more important to franchises than the die-hards and everybody's a casual fan of something so I'm not complaining about it. I just have noticed that it is the people who aren't as into it as us - casuals, non-fans, fair-weather fans, whatever - that have been most aggressive about it. But a lot of them are the ones that refused to accept any of the other incarnations or just never paid them any mind. When you see a lot of people post in these groups you tend to remember a name or two. Or, conversely it's like the friends/family/colleagues that don't follow it but like anytime there's any news blurb about the Turtles they tag you in a post about it.
Again, it's just an observation, and I might just have too small of a sample size, but by and large it's not those who have stuck with the series that are the biggest complainers. As Vegita-San said, it's probably because we've seen worse. It's like when people put Shaq Fu in their top 10 worst games ever list. I wouldn't even put it in my top 25 in the genre alone. But that's because most people don't have the frame of reference to compare it to. Think about it... it's never the people who have watched every episode of 87, Next Mutation, 2003, 2012, all six theatrical films, and read every comic who would be complaining about this you-know-what'ing their "childhood". It's those who saw the original cartoon and maybe the first few movies and forgot about Turtles for decades. But by and large it's the "casuals" or whatever and the kids who actually are going to make or break the cartoon, and if they aren't liking what's being put down, it's not gonna fly. It doesn't matter if we like it or not. I may not have spelled that part out precisely, and that may be my error, but that's the main point I was trying to make - if the GP doesn't like it, it might be in trouble. But I do feel like my context about how I wasn't trying to be an elitist about it was pretty clear.
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Bingo. Don't be jerks to people with opinions and they won't be jerks back. don't think you can handle that, don't interact with people. simple as that. And just know not everyone with some criticism is attacking. lots of people loose sight of that fast because they see the hate everywhere else and it piles up in their brain... and I think that's what happened in my case. He probably had a case of hate overload and chose that moment to let loose a little. Lucky me. Personally, I think show creators are better off not stepping into this lions den of 'fun' that is this fandom with people ripping each other a new one left and right first chance they get.. they'll keep their sanity far faster.
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Which again brings me back to the no true Scotsman fallacy. If they were real fans, ie in fandom for a specified duration of time, they wouldn't have been upset about something. But since they are they're clearly not real fans. Someone's a fan if they like a thing. There's no set To Do List that must be completed before someone is bestowed the moniker of fan. And anyone who tells you there is, is pulling some gatekeeper nonsense out of their behind. We have pages and pages of threads on here where people are still but mad about the very idea of Leonardo not being the leader. Let's face it folks, we fans are miserable people and we have earned our horrible reputation. Instead of focusing on the aspects of this thing that we say we love, we do nothing but tear it to shreds and crap on people who still find joy in it. That's sad. We're sad. And until we all decide not to be miserable f*cks, it's not going to change. You don't have to like the new show. In fact if you don't like it chances are good it wasn't made for you. Go re-read or re-watch your favorite episodes, or get into that whole transformative stuff and write yourself some fanfic. There is absolutely no need to Yuck another fan's Yum.
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It's really very simple and it's being ridiculously overcomplicated. Let me simplify:
Are you an older, existing fan? Like over the age of 25? Your options: 1. Wait until you see it, voice your opinions to like fans. 2. Watch something else more your demographic. This isn't remotely for you anyway. If you have some idea of "I'm a hardcore TMNT fan for life" then great... enjoy it or don't, but have no illusions about your watching it or possibly buying a toy mattering. Like, at all. Spending decades of loyalty on a thing like children's TMNT cartoons does not give you some secret kick me in the ass award. 3. Say nothing, your opinion does not and should not matter to TPTB about their latest kiddie show. 4. Scream into the abyss. Because no one cares. Except loud, dumb casuals. 5. stfu Are you within the age of 5-13? 1. Post your opinion everywhere. This show is for you and is being sold to you. TPTB will and should listen to you. 2. Buy toys. 3. Enjoy the show. Or don't. Or watch some other kiddie show, there's plenty. This isn't some special thing.
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* And a boy.
That's an important footnote. Because if you love this show and you're a girl, talking about how much you like this show could get it cancelled.
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This looks like it's another one of those threads that Machias will lock and put into the disintegrater unit before long.
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic embraced its older male audience and is still a huge success in terms of toy sales, so I think maybe shows aimed at young boys could still be successful in toy sales somehow while having a large female audience maybe? I dunno, but I'm not bothered by it.
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Now that is sad. EDIT: casual isn't a pejorative term unless you make it one. YOU are the one who has done so. I just wrote an entire paragraph about how they're more important to the franchise than the diehards. I obviously have no contempt for them.
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