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Old Yesterday, 06:29 AM   #41
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I really hope not.

If anything, it SHOWS that when you mess with TMNT too much, people just don't care.
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM   #42
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A bridge to even further drastic departures? Dear god I hope not.

At that point, people who are so desperate to make something so different than what it is aught to go work on something else that's new and not tied down by meanie fans criticizing choices to eff up existing and beloved characters in an endless cycle to reinvent the wheel.



I will never understand what's so hard about allowing the Turtles to remain who they are and focus on giving them new stories from another period in their lives. If someone is bored with who they are as people, then maybe they need a break from the Turtles for a while.

IDW and PD may have gone with a different origin to some extent, but cripe, at least the TMNT still seem to be largely who they normally are as individuals.


But I/we digress, this thread was about the animation style/quality and I don't really see what's troll-ish about that.
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Old Yesterday, 07:44 PM   #43
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Not only is the action animation great but this show also has suburb character animation and acting.

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Old Yesterday, 07:53 PM   #44
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So, this is officially a troll thread, and should be closed. Somebody get a Moderator.
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Old Yesterday, 08:14 PM   #45
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I believe Rise of the TMNT is an attempt to serve as a bridge between the 2012–2017 Nickelodeon cartoon (which is mainly based on older source material) and upcoming cartoons and comics with more drastical changes. Same with the IDW comics and the Platinim Dunes films.
From my experiences in the workforce and a myriad of other unique environments, I believe that Rise is an example of a workplace idea that was given support because other contributors were to fearful of decrying the idea. I can imagine a brainstorming meeting where someone who subscribes to the "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" mentality, asserted the idea and made a manipulative case for "change", "bold new ideas" and not "fearing to try". And because that kind of framing was used, no one wanted to put the breaks on it for fear of being painted as "someone against change". And the studio ran with the ball.

I've seen many ideas in the workforce arena that everyone knew were terrible, but if the culture in that arena is manipulative then you can't say the idea is bad because you'll be labeled either as a Luddite, or as some kind of hater by other ladder-climbers in the room. So in those environments, the ladder-climber (e.g., manipulator) will rise to the top by throwing any **** they can at the wall to see what sticks and make themselves a workplace hero. And in the end you've got a wall covered in ****.

Now I can tell you that the phenomena I've outlined here is 100% true and accurate. Only human resource bimbos and employees stuck in middle-management will say that it is not. However, the opinion part of this is where I'm speculating that this is what happened with this show. But it is very easy to see how Rise could have been a manipulator's marketing pitch as "bold direction" to insert the IP into the current animation zeitgeist, & "bring an 'aging IP' into modern relevancy" when in fact they are just jumping on the train of what other shows today are doing. Even when it doesn't work.

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Old Yesterday, 08:18 PM   #46
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From my experiences in the workforce and a myriad of other unique environments, I believe that Rise is an example of a workplace idea that was supported out of fear of decrying the idea. Basically in a brainstorming meeting, someone who subscribes to the "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" mentality made a case for "change", "bold new ideas" and not "fearing to try". And because that kind of framing was used, no one wanted to be boxed in as being against change by putting the breaks on it, and the studio ran with the ball.

I've seen many ideas in the workforce arena that everyone knew were terrible, but if the culture in that arena is manipulative then you can't say the idea is bad because you'll be labeled either as a Luddite, or as some kind of hater by other ladder-climbers in the room.

So in those environments, the manipulator will rise to the top by throwing any **** they can at the wall to see what sticks and make themselves a workplace hero. And in the end you've got a wall covered in ****.

Now I can tell you that the phenomenaa I've outlined here is 100% true and accurate. Only human resource bimbos and employees stuck in middle-management will say that it is not. However, the opinion part of what I'm saying is that I'm applying this phenomena to the Rise show. But it's very easy to believe that iIt was an idiot's easy thought to insert the IP into the current animation zeitgeist, combined with lack of strong leadership to guide the ship, as well as the liberal-buy-in culture of the profession, Rise was put on screen.
Or maybe and just here me out, because the last series pretty much referenced almost every piece of TMNT media at least once maybe the writers decided to experiment and also use different animation techniques.
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Or maybe and just here me out, because the last series pretty much referenced almost every piece of TMNT media at least once maybe the writers decided to experiment and also use different animation techniques.
Sure. Absolutely that is a possibility on the more positive side of the spectrum. But in that case, they did (arguably) a terrible job. For example, TMNT 2007 did the same thing yet still managed to look gorgeous while not only maintaining the feel of the franchise, but also maintained the key tenets as loose continuity. And the turtles fought interdimensional gargoyle monsters in that flick, without Shredder as well.

Coincidentally what you've said here is probably the most succinct and understandable explanation for Rise that I've seen. But it still spells fear from the creators to me - they didn't know what else to do. They weren't prepared.
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Sure. Absolutely that is a possibility on the more positive side of the spectrum. But in that case, they did (arguably) a terrible job. For example, TMNT 2007 did the same thing yet still managed to look gorgeous while not only maintaining the feel of the franchise, but also maintained the key tenets as loose continuity. And the turtles fought interdimensional gargoyle monsters in that flick, without Shredder as well
How the hell did the 2007 movie do the same thing, with the exception of a different antagionist its the most paint by numbers turtle movie even having a Leo and Raph fight(even if it didn't make sense).

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Coincidentally what you've said here is probably the most succinct and understandable explanation for Rise that I've seen. But it still spells fear from the creators to me - they didn't know what else to do. They weren't prepared.
Prepared for what.
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The irrational, ignorant, constant negativity, from grown-ass dudes this show never marketed itself toward, is staggering.
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From my experiences in the workforce and a myriad of other unique environments, I believe that Rise is an example of a workplace idea that was given support because other contributors were to fearful of decrying the idea.

I've seen many ideas in the workforce arena that everyone knew were terrible, but if the culture in that arena is manipulative then you can't say the idea is bad because you'll be labeled either as a Luddite, or as some kind of hater by other ladder-climbers in the room. So in those environments, the ladder-climber (e.g., manipulator) will rise to the top by throwing any **** they can at the wall to see what sticks and make themselves a workplace hero. And in the end you've got a wall covered in ****.

Now I can tell you that the phenomena I've outlined here is 100% true and accurate. Only human resource bimbos and employees stuck in middle-management will say that it is not. However, the opinion part of this is where I'm speculating that this is what happened with this show. But it is very easy to see how Rise could have been a manipulator's marketing pitch as "bold direction" to insert the IP into the current animation zeitgeist, & "bring an 'aging IP' into modern relevancy" when in fact they are just jumping on the train of what other shows today are doing. Even when it doesn't work.
This man gets it.
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Old Today, 06:50 AM   #51
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The irrational, ignorant, constant negativity, from grown-ass dudes this show never marketed itself toward, is staggering.
I read your words and can only agree...that's why most of the times I don't even bother posting anything.
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Old Today, 10:36 AM   #52
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I read your words and can only agree...that's why most of the times I don't even bother posting anything.
You are right about the target audience though.... The show isn't geared towards my demographic. And I'm not a fan of this iteration, so I'm actually well aligned in this.

But the show isn't geared towards you either. But you will defend it or have an issue with someone discussing their thoughts. That sounds like a regression on your part. So remember that next time you have vitriol towards what was otherwise a relatively balanced discussion in the first place.

Rise isn't geared towards either of you as well, whether or not either of you are both "grown-ass dudes" or "grown-ass chicks". But you guys liking the cartoon doesn't make your opinions on it more valid. In some ways your opinions could be less valid because you are wildly entertained by a show, as you said, meant for people possibly two generations removed from you.

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But the show isn't geared towards you either. But you will defend it or have an issue with someone discussing their thoughts. That sounds like a regression on your part. So remember that next time you have vitriol towards what was otherwise a relatively balanced discussion in the first place.
You're missing the point completely, no one is having an issue with anyone discussing their thoughts about the animation itself, even if they aren't the target demographic.

But when a thread gets de-railed with people being accussed of being shills for liking a show's animation, a nonsense post about how Rise was made under a climate of corporate fear which is not relevant to the topic at all, and half the posts demanding that this is a troll thread, then the discussion is far from being "relatively well balanced".

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Old Today, 11:53 AM   #54
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You're missing the point completely, no one is having an issue with anyone discussing their thoughts about the animation itself, even if they aren't the target demographic.

But when a thread gets de-railed with people being accussed of being shills for liking a show's animation, a nonsense post about how Rise was made under a climate of corporate fear which is not relevant to the topic at all, and half the posts demanding that this is a troll thread, then the discussion is far from being "relatively well balanced".
I understand that, but the posts I cited appeared in proximity to my discussion with the OP without clarification. I think it's a safe assumption that those posts were directed, in part at least by the discussion I was having. And if they weren't, then those posts should've clarified.

But either way, the point I made still stands in response. Liking the show or otherwise does not increase anyone's validity or outrage points. People citing that your opinion is negated because content wasn't made for you is either a manipulation or an idiot's argument. I'm not having that, so there was a dose of reality for anyone who takes that position. It wasn't made for you either, but yet you like it.

But on that note, to be clear I never took a stand or even cared if this was created as a troll thread. And so the real point is that even amidst all the BS, my discussion was well balanced. It's not that I should recognize or jump on board or against the shill thread nonsense. And I did say "shill" earlier. because the OP was gushing over the show to such an extreme that it seemed like a manipulation. But I didn't take a hard nosed stance on it - I used it as an allusion and I stand by it. I had the discussion.

For my part, everything I've said is 100% cogent.

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