New Show coming in 2018 - Page 182

*newfan* · 03-09-2018, 01:03 AM

I suppose to experiment a bit and maybe for those who wanted someone else to have a shot, that being said, if Raph isn't staying leader I wonder how they will play it out, so not to hurt the character.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 03-09-2018, 01:03 AM

I hope Raphael stays Leader and makes Cubed go on rants on the level of turtle nostrils.

Xiewin · 03-09-2018, 01:10 AM

I mean I still prefer the old turtle dynamic. But with this show, I thought I'll be interesting to see something a bit different. Who is Leo without the pressure of leadership and what would Raphael be like as a leader?
If you're going to do something, just go through with it. If not, then what was the point?
I feel like the only way for Raphael to step down is for him to screw up and fail. I'll wait and see, but I feel like there's no other way around that.

*Shark_Blade* · 03-09-2018, 01:13 AM

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Leonardo will become the leader, its already been more or less said in interviews and alluded to. The question is when...I think probably right before the end of Season 1 at the latest.

So they just want to rub in Raph's face again that he's a terrible leader? We had that in 2012 though where he froze in panic and Mikey fainted.

These spoilers interviews are doing more harm than good lol.

Xiewin · 03-09-2018, 01:19 AM

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So they just want to rub in Raph's face again that he's a terrible leader? We had that in 2012 though where he froze in panic and Mikey fainted.

That scene made me cringe.

*Vicky82* · 03-09-2018, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

So they just want to rub in Raph's face again that he's a terrible leader? We had that in 2012 though where he froze in panic and Mikey fainted.

These spoilers interviews are doing more harm than good lol.

Mikey didn’t faint, Snakeweed slammed him against the wall and hit his head, he was unconscious until the end of the episode.

biganimefan · 03-09-2018, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiewin

I mean I still prefer the old turtle dynamic. But with this show, I thought I'll be interesting to see something a bit different. Who is Leo without the pressure of leadership and what would Raphael be like as a leader?
If you're going to do something, just go through with it. If not, then what was the point?
I feel like the only way for Raphael to step down is for him to screw up and fail. I'll wait and see, but I feel like there's no other way around that.

Couldn't Raph voluntarily give Leo the leadership role?

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 03-09-2018, 08:25 AM

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Couldn't Raph voluntarily give Leo the leadership role?

I'm thinking that may happen. Raph will likely realize that he's too itching to go into battle to be strategic. He's sees Leo as more intelligent and knows he likes to be more careful. Leo's "rebel charm" may be due to how he casually dislikes or refuses to go with Raph's lack of strategy which could put the brothers at risk.

Tbh, I think we are past the point where the turtles even need a leader. Even Raph can agree that they all act as a unit when they work and plan things together. That's what makes the turtles work. Not talking about this show, just the TMNT IP in general.

Xiewin · 03-09-2018, 10:49 AM

Yeah that could work.
As long as it's not some type of screw up situation, then it's fine.

We already got enough of failure Raphael in the 2012 series

*Papenbrook* · 03-09-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I'm thinking that may happen. Raph will likely realize that he's too itching to go into battle to be strategic. He's sees Leo as more intelligent and knows he likes to be more careful. Leo's "rebel charm" may be due to how he casually dislikes or refuses to go with Raph's lack of strategy which could put the brothers at risk.

Tbh, I think we are past the point where the turtles even need a leader. Even Raph can agree that they all act as a unit when they work and plan things together. That's what makes the turtles work. Not talking about this show, just the TMNT IP in general.

This makes me wonder ...

What would happen if Donatello or Michelangelo were the leader?

*CyberCubed* · 03-09-2018, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiewin

We already got enough of failure Raphael in the 2012 series

2012 Raph didn't make any more mistakes than Leo/Mike/Don did, all the Turtles had equal successes and failures in various episodes.

Also judging by this shows descriptions we're going back to muscle-bound meathead Raph, whereas Nick Raph really had the perfect balance of personalities. I'm gonna miss Sean Astin's voice for him too.

*plastroncafe* · 03-09-2018, 11:44 AM

I'm still shocked at how much I enjoyed the non-pro voice cast for the 2012 show.
I seriously thought they were going to be distracting, but they were fantastic.

*newfan* · 03-09-2018, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

2012 Raph didn't make any more mistakes than Leo/Mike/Don did, all the Turtles had equal successes and failures in various episodes.

Also judging by this shows descriptions we're going back to muscle-bound meathead Raph, whereas Nick Raph really had the perfect balance of personalities. I'm gonna miss Sean Astin's voice for him too.

Yeah I'll miss Sean's voice too, the sound of the new guy at least kinda matches that design though. (the little I heard)
They did all have failures and success though I'm not sure everyone on here feels that they were equal (just picked up from comments in the past), people may notice things more than others with their favourite/s also.. .... Raph is your favourite isn't he?

Xiewin · 03-09-2018, 11:48 AM

Really? All his stand alone episodes seemed to be about him making mistakes.
I can’t think of any successful standout moments with that character. Maybe except for the finale?

*CyberCubed* · 03-09-2018, 12:15 PM

Are you being serious? Saving his brothers from Slash when he was first mutated? Working with Xever when they were in Baxter's maze thing in Season 1? Leo/Raph being considered the "A team" when Mike/Don were considered the "B team."

Xiewin · 03-09-2018, 12:35 PM

I honestly forgot about the A/B Team episode. Though now I do recall disliking it, not because of Raph or Leo, but due to Don's and Mikey's B team status.
I can't remember the Xever one either. It wasn't rememberable, at least in my opinion.
Slash and Destroy was a good episode, but I guess you can say that Raph's frustration did lead to Spike getting mutated in the first place. All the turtles do have their mistakes, but his character seemed to revolve around that more.
I'm not trying to say that Raphael is the only one whose character was a bit iffy, I had alot of issues with Don (he used to be my favorite in the 2012 series) and Mikey as well. Leonardo growth seemed fine and consistent, which was nice to watch.

But is that it? I need to rewatch the entire series again.

dawwe · 03-09-2018, 02:38 PM

As I think I've written before, I'm not really a huge fan of this but I still want to see it in motion before I fully judge it. And it's been pointed out I believe that this could lead into something more along the lines of the turtles we are used to if the cartoon gets to that point.

The thing I am talking about is issue 9 of the Mirage comic where we see the pre-teen turtles. There are some similarities between this new cartoon and those turtles. Raphael has the same headband and tonfas. Mikey has a weapon kinda like the one in Rise, Leo only has one sword and Don is left out since he has the same normal staff as he has later on in the comic.

*IndigoErth* · 03-09-2018, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiewin

Maybe they could have done that without making raph leader though? Lol

Exactly. My question is, if Leo has to earn it this time (as if he wouldn't normally already have off screen prior the time period that any series starts in their lives)... then why does Raph just get to take it rather than earn it?

Still though... don't like this concept. Crappy no matter the angle. Want my boy portrayed as the character he should be, in all respects. But then, where the leader part is concerned, it's basically gotta throw Raph under the bus, which, though he's a pain in the rear, I don't want happening to any of them either. Can't win either way.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 03-09-2018, 03:58 PM

Calm down everyone, there's no confirmation of anything about Leonardo eventually taking over. Leo's my favourite turtle, and yet I wanna see Raph succeed as a leader, but its best to reserve judgement until we get some proper confirmation.

*CyberCubed* · 03-09-2018, 04:05 PM

One of the interviews said Raphael will be the leader "for now," his bio says "self-appointed leader" as opposed to Splinter choosing him as the leader, and Leonardo's description implies he's a bit of a rebel and argues with Raph likely leading to his leadership skills.

It's the same thing as Shredder showing up. Shredder has not been mentioned once, but we know he will appear eventually. The Foot are in this, Hamato Yoshi is Splinter, Baron Draxum isn't going to be the only villain for the whole show besides random mutants, etc.

03-09-2018, 12:35 PM	#3636
Xiewin Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 900	I honestly forgot about the A/B Team episode. Though now I do recall disliking it, not because of Raph or Leo, but due to Don's and Mikey's B team status. I can't remember the Xever one either. It wasn't rememberable, at least in my opinion. Slash and Destroy was a good episode, but I guess you can say that Raph's frustration did lead to Spike getting mutated in the first place. All the turtles do have their mistakes, but his character seemed to revolve around that more. I'm not trying to say that Raphael is the only one whose character was a bit iffy, I had alot of issues with Don (he used to be my favorite in the 2012 series) and Mikey as well. Leonardo growth seemed fine and consistent, which was nice to watch. But is that it? I need to rewatch the entire series again. Last edited by Xiewin; 03-09-2018 at 12:53 PM.

03-09-2018, 02:38 PM	#3637
dawwe Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 136	As I think I've written before, I'm not really a huge fan of this but I still want to see it in motion before I fully judge it. And it's been pointed out I believe that this could lead into something more along the lines of the turtles we are used to if the cartoon gets to that point. The thing I am talking about is issue 9 of the Mirage comic where we see the pre-teen turtles. There are some similarities between this new cartoon and those turtles. Raphael has the same headband and tonfas. Mikey has a weapon kinda like the one in Rise, Leo only has one sword and Don is left out since he has the same normal staff as he has later on in the comic. __________________

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03-09-2018, 01:03 AM	#3621
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I suppose to experiment a bit and maybe for those who wanted someone else to have a shot, that being said, if Raph isn't staying leader I wonder how they will play it out, so not to hurt the character.

03-09-2018, 01:10 AM	#3623
Xiewin Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 900	I mean I still prefer the old turtle dynamic. But with this show, I thought I'll be interesting to see something a bit different. Who is Leo without the pressure of leadership and what would Raphael be like as a leader? If you're going to do something, just go through with it. If not, then what was the point? I feel like the only way for Raphael to step down is for him to screw up and fail. I'll wait and see, but I feel like there's no other way around that.

03-09-2018, 10:49 AM	#3629
Xiewin Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 900	Yeah that could work. As long as it's not some type of screw up situation, then it's fine. We already got enough of failure Raphael in the 2012 series

03-09-2018, 11:48 AM	#3634
Xiewin Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 900	Really? All his stand alone episodes seemed to be about him making mistakes. I can’t think of any successful standout moments with that character. Maybe except for the finale?

03-09-2018, 12:15 PM	#3635
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,002	Are you being serious? Saving his brothers from Slash when he was first mutated? Working with Xever when they were in Baxter's maze thing in Season 1? Leo/Raph being considered the "A team" when Mike/Don were considered the "B team."

03-09-2018, 04:05 PM	#3640
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,002	One of the interviews said Raphael will be the leader "for now," his bio says "self-appointed leader" as opposed to Splinter choosing him as the leader, and Leonardo's description implies he's a bit of a rebel and argues with Raph likely leading to his leadership skills. It's the same thing as Shredder showing up. Shredder has not been mentioned once, but we know he will appear eventually. The Foot are in this, Hamato Yoshi is Splinter, Baron Draxum isn't going to be the only villain for the whole show besides random mutants, etc.