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I would probably agree with anyone who thinks we need to make guns less accessible. Though I'm also not naive enough to think that will stem the problem by itself. |
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Beyond that? No. Try spanking your kid once in a while, don't worry about what guns I have.
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02-15-2018, 12:58 PM | #23 | |
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From my perspective, American Masculinity disavows all positive emotions and yet fetishes anger. Mexicans, gays, blacks, liberals, women... far easier to rage at them or fester in bitterness than look at ourselves and ask "Is the problem maybe me? And should I change something about myself to resolve this problem?" That's what I see a lot of down here, anyway.
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02-15-2018, 12:59 PM | #24 |
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Lets Stop worrying about Muslims and Minorites and worry about these crazy white kids with mental issues who are part of Alt Right groups.
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I think that's the big thing TurtleWA, no one knows. People blame gun culture, but that's been around for years, people blame media showcasing it, or even movies and videogames glorifying it, but those have been here part of the public sphere for a bit, too. Maybe it's a combination of both, maybe it's a 3rd issue...it's not a simple black and white thing. We can't see inside someone's head. What would make one person find a place to be alone and cry and find some constructive outlet could prompt a different person to choose to take a gun to school. Maybe better and less stigmatized mental health programs could help? I dunna...
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My armchair answer is that there are some men who don't know how to man, because they've never had to think about what makes a man before.
In short, what makes now different from then is the combined culture shift brought on by the Women's and Queer Rights movements. With rigid gender roles one didn't have to THINK about what makes a man or a woman, because the culture just told you. Men do this. Women do this. And so long as a man didn't do something considered female, he was pretty much okay. But that line started to blur in the 60s and 70s and onward. I remember being told in the 80s that if a man had an earring "Left was right, and Right was wrong." Because having an earring in your right ear meant that you were gay. And that...that was almost the worst thing a man could be. Because gay dudes were basically women. Don't throw that ball like a girl. Don't cry like a girl. Don't run like a girl. All boys had to be was...not a girl. Well...if girls know how to do all these things for themselves, what's left for boys to be? So from where I'm standing the issue is that we've got a bunch of guys who don't know where they stand. They're anxious, and they're lashing out. I don't think this isn't a mental illness issue, I think it's a cultural one. Someone needs to define Masculinity as something it is, rather than relying on what it's not. Quote:
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You know, I think I know why people who have mental health issues don't bother to get any help from society at large. Subsequently, I now know why people who are physically, psychologically, mentally, emotionally, and/or intellectually different from the norm tend to be one of the most discriminated against.
It all has to start with the prejudice, discrimination, and bigotry online and offline. Using ableist terminology to describe people who are neurodivergent (or who are otherwise differently abled). Mocking an individual's intelligence by using an extremely biased measurement of intellect (the I.Q. system). Bullying and outright manipulating people by exploiting and controlling their perception of reality. Taking advantage of them by forcing them to do whatever you want. Making light of physical and emotional self-harm or otherwise encouraging it. Demonizing them by making them feel unloved and unwanted. Making them feel uncomfortable by using their descriptions in an unsavory manner. Making them feel that it's somehow wrong to be different from what's considered "normal". I know that we tend to have a biased perspective of our reality; I know that we all have a skewed moral perception that creates our own knowledge, which can, in turn, lead to a "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude. However, it's honestly disgusting that our society can stoop to this sort of low. Shame on everyone who doesn't bother to accept, respect, and care about our fellow human beings (or really, any living being/ organism). Shame on everyone for doing nothing to stop these sorts of tragedies from happening. To Autbot_Benz: Being discriminatory again, I see. But then again, I didn't expect better from you. Just please, take your unfiltered bigotry elsewhere, please! It's too repulsive, honestly. I couldn't even bother to quote your comments! ----------------------------------------------- I would like to give my apologies and condolences to the individuals who were personally affected by this tragedy. Not one single person in the world deserves to lose their friends/ loved ones like this. I would also like to apologize on behalf of people who make light of/ on topics such as these. (To anyone who is different physically, psychologically, mentally, emotionally, and/or intellectually, there is nothing wrong with you. You are who you are, which is perfectly fine. Despite what others may think of you, know that you are not flawed because you don't fit in dominantly.) Have a good day. Last edited by Papenbrook; 02-15-2018 at 01:28 PM. |
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Or to put another way... there's Vulcans... and then there's the Vulcans who embrace Kohlinahr. Probably don't be like the latter.
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also we need to get rid of the AR 15 gun that was the one used in this and other shootings
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Sure! And don't be the Vulcan security agents from Enterprise who were bombing Andoria and hiding their crap in a monastery...
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I realize that's a depressing answer to the question, but there's hope that, long term, something will change. Even if it's the very long term, but talking about that would take an hour. Quote:
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Don't get me wrong, it'd be great to have their support, but...this is all stuff we could ostensibly combat on our own, within our own communities. I was saying to someone else earlier today, I don't think people who don't know about a subject should be writing legislation about that subject. Regardless of subject. People who don't know the science aren't qualified to legislate on matters of science, and people who don't know about firearms are ill-equipped to legislate about firearms. Any change from the Gun Fandom is going to have to come from within. Just like any change that's going to come from American Masculinity is going to have to come from American Men. This is their cue. The stage is theirs.
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To Autbot_Benz:
Are you sure? You sure do act like one most of the time. I shouldn't be surprised, however. Honestly, do you get your jollies off of tragedies like this? Are you really this selfish and entitled? Wait, ... nevermind. I already know the answer. To Everyone else: Please, stop making this about you. Stop making this about your own personal views of reality and society. Now's not the time. |
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I respectfully disagree, now is exactly the time.
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"But Columbine had armed guards... and 13 people died there!" <--- is a popular sentiment. And that's true. But they invariably saved a ton more. A chance at saving lives vs. an absolute, 100% certainty of sky's-the-limit casualties when gunmen are let to roam school hallways uncontested while the police are still 20, 30 minutes away from even beginning to mount an offense... I don't think it's even a question.
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How are you going to fund that? And how are you going to fund the insurance for that. Because I'll be honest, a bullet fired from a gun used to protect me will injure me just as much as one fired at me to harm me. So you can be assured I'll be suing the pants of anyone I can to cover the costs of my medical bills. And...when do those changes appear on your actual platform, when you actually run for political office?
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02-15-2018, 01:50 PM | #38 | |
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Your "thoughts and prayers" are far more useless than debating an issue that isn't going away and trying to devise solutions. We have the power of the vote. If we are not informed, we cannot vote for solutions and people who push said solutions. So tell us, Purple Kraken... when?
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Much better than the alternative: "I sure hope that gunman doesn't pick my classroom door to kick in!" Because then you're dead for sure, not even a chance to hope to get accidentally winged by a security guard. Unless you're this man.
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If that's something that could happen, then maybe it should be under the National Guard's jurisdiction.
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