Official Mutant Apocalypse Arc Discussion (SERIES FINALE) - Page 6

*neatoman* · 09-23-2017, 03:19 AM

Again, PM me if anyone has a link.

*Sabacooza* · 09-23-2017, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

"I love you, brother."

Holy crap that hit me about as hard as Splinter's death.

I really liked that part. It was a nice mirror to when Leo told Raph he loved him in Riddle of the Ancient Aeons. It was nice how it came full circle.

*newfan* · 09-23-2017, 04:27 AM

So I'm gathering that this show has ended with our turtles being old and double mutated, living in a destroyed earth with no humans after failing to stop an explosion. Also Leo being an enemy for however many years. Then finally not a word about April, Casey and Karai. ... I presume dead (Casey we know for sure) because April wouldn't mutate and if Karai did, she wasn't in it so I presume she died too.
........ lost for words other than what a shame to do that to them.

End times should have been the end (but a bit extended)

*neatoman* · 09-23-2017, 04:38 AM

Is there any sort of implication this is set in an alternate timeline or "possible future" rather than the set in stone destiny?

*Sabacooza* · 09-23-2017, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Is there any sort of implication this is set in an alternate timeline or "possible future" rather than the set in stone destiny?

There was no indication that it was an alternate timeline.

I have to say, I'm not too keen on this being the finale. It just seemed a bit awkward.

JH24 · 09-23-2017, 04:49 AM

They probably just leave this for the viewer to decide. Some will like a darker ending. Others will like an ending with the turtles saving the Earth from the Apocalypse and having a future together with their friends. Two timelines with very different paths.

*newfan* · 09-23-2017, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza

There was no indication that it was an alternate timeline.

I have to say, I'm not too keen on this being the finale. It just seemed a bit awkward.

So I'm guessing no hope at all with any change, it's happened at that's it.

asfaloth12 · 09-23-2017, 04:49 AM

So, I'm viewing this as an AU ending, more of a "what would have happened if they had not ultimately defeated the Krang" sort of thing. From what I'm seeing (the video wasn't super high quality, so maybe I missed something)it doesn't seem to fit with canon (i.e., what about Renet). There are a few posts on Tumblr talking about this, that I thought were pretty good. It just doesn't fit for me. It felt... detached... from the main storyline; I don't know how to better explain it.
Somebody, either here or on Tumblr, said they viewed Owari as the finale of the main storyline, with the Kavaxas arc as the epilogue. I really like that way of looking at it. And all of the other arcs as the icing on the cake (except for the apocalyptic arc; that one can go fly a kite)

*Sabacooza* · 09-23-2017, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by newfan

So I'm guessing no hope at all with any change, it's happened at that's it.

Not really, no. I just felt it was weird having them look so very different than what we're used to. I mean there is a special part at the end with them all together but it just reminds you of a more innocent, better time long gone which in a sense can feel a bit sad.

*ToTheNines* · 09-23-2017, 05:22 AM

Just so y'all know, Nickelodeon has the finale up on their On Demand channel for Comcast/Xfinity, no Nicktoons subscription required. I'd assume Dish, DirectTV and others are following suit.

I'm gonna have to watch later. Not ready for it to all be over quite yet.

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Originally Posted by asfaloth12

Somebody, either here or on Tumblr, said they viewed Owari as the finale of the main storyline, with the Kavaxas arc as the epilogue. I really like that way of looking at it. And all of the other arcs as the icing on the cake (except for the apocalyptic arc; that one can go fly a kite)

'Twas me. I'd also throw in Lone Rat and Cubs as part of what I see as the epilogue. A flashback to Splinter flows quite nicely with the narrative of everyone getting to say their final goodbyes to him at the end of End Times.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-23-2017, 05:48 AM

A lot of science fiction have many possible timelines.

Redworld96 · 09-23-2017, 05:52 AM

Only Lone rat and cubs, Kavaxas Arc, When Worlds Collide and the Crossover Arc gave information or contributed something to the story: the fate of the foot clan and Shredder's henchmen; Newtralizer (which was one of the pending issues of this show) and Dregg's fate; Mona Lisa becoming part of the mutanimals; Bebop and Rocksteady's fate, and the origin of the turtles.

But the monster arc, usagi arc and Mad Raph Arc? You really can tell that they did not contribute anything. They were only Tales.

I now understand why Nickelodeon wants to finish the show on TV with the Crossover Arc. It is a cool way to finish a tmnt show, with their old counterparts. And Bebop and Rocksteady totally rule in that arc.

NikitaZhukov · 09-23-2017, 06:03 AM

Well, my favorite show in history just ended on some deep storyline. It felt a little rushed at the end though. I really wish the evil Leo thing lasted longer and would've been revealed at the beginning of the arc, not 6 minutes or so before the end. It's a shame that Nickelodeon totally dropped the show and aired THE FINALE on freaking NickToons which isn't even able for everyone.

To me, the ending was good, but could've been much better. Who would've thought that the cartoon with such bright beginning would have the darkest TMNT ending ever. Let's see what the next show brings to us.

*Powder* · 09-23-2017, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NikitaZhukov

Who would've thought that the cartoon with such bright beginning would have the darkest TMNT ending ever.

*darkest TMNT ending in a cartoon

Mirage's turtles have a far more depressing end.

*TigerClaw* · 09-23-2017, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Just so y'all know, Nickelodeon has the finale up on their On Demand channel for Comcast/Xfinity, no Nicktoons subscription required. I'd assume Dish, DirectTV and others are following suit.

I'm gonna have to watch later. Not ready for it to all be over quite yet.

'Twas me. I'd also throw in Lone Rat and Cubs as part of what I see as the epilogue. A flashback to Splinter flows quite nicely with the narrative of everyone getting to say their final goodbyes to him at the end of End Times.

I can't find it, I went to the Nickelodeon section, and there's no Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles listed.

*ToTheNines* · 09-23-2017, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I can't find it, I went to the Nickelodeon section, and there's no Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles listed.

Go to Nickelodeon. Go to the "series" category. Then go to "Tales of the TMNT". It's a couple slots past regular TMNT.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-23-2017, 06:21 AM

Wow! What a finale! I also predicted Leo would be a villain and I'm glad they went that route even if it was rushed. Raph saying, "I love you, brother" was a great callback to when Leo snapped Raph out of it in Riddle of the Ancient Aeons as someone else said before. Loved Mikey, Donnie, and Raph in this and really liked Meera too. The fight scenes were great and so was the setting. Most would view the ending as sad, but I see it as that they found peace and eventually rejoined Splinter (though not at that precise moment though others could take it that way if they want to). Although it isn't stated that this is a possible future and that this is what happened, we can still act like it's an alternated timeline and that maybe they prevented this. Still wish we would have seen Renet or Fugitoid at the end, but I do agree that this resolution is a great send-off to the show as a whole.

Very well done. Now, all some of us have to do is see the monster arc and this show is finished! Been a great run, TMNT. Thanks for giving us five years of an awesome show.

matteso586 · 09-23-2017, 06:42 AM

Was there any implication that this is supposed to be an alternate future?

Looks like Chompy is not old enough to fly yet.

Ice Cream Kitty's mutation seems to have also increased the life span. She looks exactly the same as she did 50 years ago.

Where did Leo get the idea of the name "Maximas Khan"

Who else views Cyborg Donnie as Raph's caretaker? Or is it the other way around?

I think Donnie got the idea of dumping his brain into Metalhead Mark 2 from Fugitoid.

They never explained who detonated the mutagen bomb. I doubt it's the Kraang, because Kraang Prime is dead.

Would be cooler if Fugitoid, Mutagen Man, and an older version of Karai are in it. The latter would've had something that belonged to Shinigami as some sort of tragic keepsake.

*TigerClaw* · 09-23-2017, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Go to Nickelodeon. Go to the "series" category. Then go to "Tales of the TMNT". It's a couple slots past regular TMNT.

In my Tivo, it has the Xfinity On Demand App, I go into the Kids Category, then Nickelodeon, and it doesnt show Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles nor Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles listed.

The Xfinity On Demand website doesn't show the latest episode either, the web site only shows the most recent episode, which was Lone Rat and Cub.
https://tv.xfinity.com/entity/7943100609741265112

*Vicky82* · 09-23-2017, 07:19 AM

I did enjoy it, it had some good moments but it didn't feel like a final for me.

My Concerns

All 4 turtles should be there from the start to finish. I didn’t like the fact that they were separated for a number of years.

They should have mentioned of what happened to April, Casey, Karai, Shinigami, The Mutanimals ect. - Did they die/how they died, did they mutate or double mutate.

There should have been longer flashbacks - Explain who had this mutagen bomb and what happened to New York, the world, the moon, the lair. I also would have liked to see how Donnie got seriously injured and transform his mind into Metalhead. I would of liked to see how Mikey ended up in the middle of the wasteland.

I wasn’t keen on the turtles new looks, but I did like Donnie’s robot design.

So due to these concerns, i’ve decided that this story is non canon and the crossover arc is the final for me.

Things I liked

The fight scenes and vehicle chase scenes were great
Robot Donnie, he was awesome, I laughed when he was charging up.
Ice Cream Kitty is still alive and using a gun to take down enemies.
Chompy, he gotten big.
I started get teary eyed when Raph recognised Leo and trying to get Leo to remember him and when they all hugged each other.

09-23-2017, 04:49 AM	#106
JH24 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 470	They probably just leave this for the viewer to decide. Some will like a darker ending. Others will like an ending with the turtles saving the Earth from the Apocalypse and having a future together with their friends. Two timelines with very different paths. Last edited by JH24; 09-23-2017 at 04:56 AM.

09-23-2017, 04:49 AM	#108
asfaloth12 Thug Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rivendell Posts: 90	So, I'm viewing this as an AU ending, more of a "what would have happened if they had not ultimately defeated the Krang" sort of thing. From what I'm seeing (the video wasn't super high quality, so maybe I missed something)it doesn't seem to fit with canon (i.e., what about Renet). There are a few posts on Tumblr talking about this, that I thought were pretty good. It just doesn't fit for me. It felt... detached... from the main storyline; I don't know how to better explain it. Somebody, either here or on Tumblr, said they viewed Owari as the finale of the main storyline, with the Kavaxas arc as the epilogue. I really like that way of looking at it. And all of the other arcs as the icing on the cake (except for the apocalyptic arc; that one can go fly a kite) __________________ Avatar moonchild_x

09-23-2017, 06:21 AM	#117
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Wow! What a finale! I also predicted Leo would be a villain and I'm glad they went that route even if it was rushed. Raph saying, "I love you, brother" was a great callback to when Leo snapped Raph out of it in Riddle of the Ancient Aeons as someone else said before. Loved Mikey, Donnie, and Raph in this and really liked Meera too. The fight scenes were great and so was the setting. Most would view the ending as sad, but I see it as that they found peace and eventually rejoined Splinter (though not at that precise moment though others could take it that way if they want to). Although it isn't stated that this is a possible future and that this is what happened, we can still act like it's an alternated timeline and that maybe they prevented this. Still wish we would have seen Renet or Fugitoid at the end, but I do agree that this resolution is a great send-off to the show as a whole. Very well done. Now, all some of us have to do is see the monster arc and this show is finished! Been a great run, TMNT. Thanks for giving us five years of an awesome show. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a*holiness."-Mr. Anderson. Last edited by BubblyShell22; 09-23-2017 at 04:16 PM.*

09-23-2017, 07:19 AM	#120
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,775	I did enjoy it, it had some good moments but it didn't feel like a final for me. My Concerns All 4 turtles should be there from the start to finish. I didn’t like the fact that they were separated for a number of years. They should have mentioned of what happened to April, Casey, Karai, Shinigami, The Mutanimals ect. - Did they die/how they died, did they mutate or double mutate. There should have been longer flashbacks - Explain who had this mutagen bomb and what happened to New York, the world, the moon, the lair. I also would have liked to see how Donnie got seriously injured and transform his mind into Metalhead. I would of liked to see how Mikey ended up in the middle of the wasteland. I wasn’t keen on the turtles new looks, but I did like Donnie’s robot design. So due to these concerns, i’ve decided that this story is non canon and the crossover arc is the final for me. Things I liked The fight scenes and vehicle chase scenes were great Robot Donnie, he was awesome, I laughed when he was charging up. Ice Cream Kitty is still alive and using a gun to take down enemies. Chompy, he gotten big. I started get teary eyed when Raph recognised Leo and trying to get Leo to remember him and when they all hugged each other. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

09-23-2017, 04:27 AM	#103
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	So I'm gathering that this show has ended with our turtles being old and double mutated, living in a destroyed earth with no humans after failing to stop an explosion. Also Leo being an enemy for however many years. Then finally not a word about April, Casey and Karai. ... I presume dead (Casey we know for sure) because April wouldn't mutate and if Karai did, she wasn't in it so I presume she died too. ........ lost for words other than what a shame to do that to them. End times should have been the end (but a bit extended)

09-23-2017, 05:48 AM	#111
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	A lot of science fiction have many possible timelines.

09-23-2017, 05:52 AM	#112
Redworld96 Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 639	Only Lone rat and cubs, Kavaxas Arc, When Worlds Collide and the Crossover Arc gave information or contributed something to the story: the fate of the foot clan and Shredder's henchmen; Newtralizer (which was one of the pending issues of this show) and Dregg's fate; Mona Lisa becoming part of the mutanimals; Bebop and Rocksteady's fate, and the origin of the turtles. But the monster arc, usagi arc and Mad Raph Arc? You really can tell that they did not contribute anything. They were only Tales. I now understand why Nickelodeon wants to finish the show on TV with the Crossover Arc. It is a cool way to finish a tmnt show, with their old counterparts. And Bebop and Rocksteady totally rule in that arc.

09-23-2017, 06:03 AM	#113
NikitaZhukov Thug Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Ulyanovsk, Russia Posts: 50	Well, my favorite show in history just ended on some deep storyline. It felt a little rushed at the end though. I really wish the evil Leo thing lasted longer and would've been revealed at the beginning of the arc, not 6 minutes or so before the end. It's a shame that Nickelodeon totally dropped the show and aired THE FINALE on freaking NickToons which isn't even able for everyone. To me, the ending was good, but could've been much better. Who would've thought that the cartoon with such bright beginning would have the darkest TMNT ending ever. Let's see what the next show brings to us.

09-23-2017, 06:42 AM	#118
matteso586 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 712	Was there any implication that this is supposed to be an alternate future? Looks like Chompy is not old enough to fly yet. Ice Cream Kitty's mutation seems to have also increased the life span. She looks exactly the same as she did 50 years ago. Where did Leo get the idea of the name "Maximas Khan" Who else views Cyborg Donnie as Raph's caretaker? Or is it the other way around? I think Donnie got the idea of dumping his brain into Metalhead Mark 2 from Fugitoid. They never explained who detonated the mutagen bomb. I doubt it's the Kraang, because Kraang Prime is dead. Would be cooler if Fugitoid, Mutagen Man, and an older version of Karai are in it. The latter would've had something that belonged to Shinigami as some sort of tragic keepsake.