06-06-2022, 12:39 PM | #21 |
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Honestly the only way gas prices affect me is when we plan a group trip to a con or something and I'm chipping in for gas, the amounts I'm chipping in have gone up, lol.
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06-06-2022, 12:40 PM | #22 | |
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06-06-2022, 12:47 PM | #23 | |
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And with that, I am also noticing poorer quality in food/goods as well. Lots more expired food than ever, for example. Clothes made from crappier materials. Shipping costs rising. That's just a few examples. |
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06-06-2022, 12:49 PM | #24 | ||
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The next response could be "yeah but you were able to buy a ZL1 in the first place". But again, that's not because I'm independently wealthy - I'm not. It's because I chose to live by the patterns in the first place that led me to sell the car when the opportunity for it made sense. It's the same thing with the "pandemic collectibles insanity" when market prices were out of control. I didn't want to sell my Hulk 181 CGC 8.0, but the market commanded that I should. How did I get that book? I bought it for 385 bucks when I graduated college as a gift to myself years ago. I paid to have it pressed and slabbed and I held it for years. I sold it for 5k. What did I do that money then? I put the 5k into crypto in November 2020 and it turned into 28 grand. I took those profits. I'm not saying that it's easy but the fact is that I make the hard calls and stick to the plan rather than my ego for "things". Anyone can do it but most people don't have the balls or stomach for it. I think it's really important that I clarify that for the rest of the brain trust here. Not that my patterns are going to earn me any respect from the bottom feeders here, but you try anyway. You know. Quote:
As for some kind of food catastrophe and people stealing tomatoes? Yeah sure I believe that could happen, but if we get to that point then we have bigger problems that involve other issues than defending a plant with 30 tomatoes that I hoped to vac-seal, you know? Can't live on f'n tomatoes. I mean, even the theft of tomatoes is short sighted, but that's the majority of the peasant-level-population. Being a f'n peasant isn't about money. It's about the peasant-a$$-mentality. |
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06-06-2022, 12:50 PM | #25 |
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I wouldn't mind saving up for an electric car if there weren't so many uncertainties. Let's say I save up $60,000 for one, then the battery stops keeping a charge after a couple of years. Am I just screwed, then? Or in 5 years, there's a much improved electric car with better capacity... will I be able to sell my existing electric car for more than, say, $5000 at this point? Will I be able to sell it at all?
Then there's the thing about electric cars not being able to start in the cold. Yikes.
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For example, here's my mental algebra for some of this decision.... consider: 01 Fuel costs, whether it be by conspiracy or nature, are high and given the Washington brain trust, they aren't ever going back down. There will be a new normal - like 4 something a gallon. 02 Trends - in 6 or 7 years most of the cars on the market will be electric. Again, you can like or hate it, it doesn't matter. It's happening. 03 Now do your head math - if you can put your hate for "the system" away do the head math. If in 6 or 7 years most cars will be electric, then your current gas powered car will have almost no trade in value. You'll be underwater and have to go into a new vehicle cold, or you'll be a luddite buying the last of the gas powered cars that you'll be stuck in for another 5 - 7 years now putting you firmly 12 or so years behind, stuck in a gas vehicle with diminishing support in a world with fewer gas stations where everyone is driving electric. Basically your hate for the system is screwing yourself. Don't be a peasant-ass thinker believing you'll be on your porch laughing at people driving by in their electric cars. You'll be there stuck on your porch laughing while everyone else is living their life. 04. Illustrated example of this - I said earlier I bought a battery lawnmower. The thing was expensive. I could've saved 300 bucks or so by buying the same lawn mower without the "power assist" where the wheels spin a bit on their own. But I spent more money to get the power assist. You know why? Because I kept the last lawn more I bought for like 15 years. And I'm not going to be a 60 year old man fighting his lawn more because I didn't buy power assist now even though I don't need it. You learn to look ahead reasonably. And something else to consider, brother. If you are convinced that I'm looking to be "saved" and that I'm dead meat, then all things in perspective that means that you are a goner for sure. Certainly if "they" get me, then you don't stand a chance. Something to consider to re-align your concerns. Quote:
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06-06-2022, 01:29 PM | #27 |
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But just about the battery. Like, I know that if I get a new phone it doesn't charge as well after a year or so. Then it starts charging fairly poorly. Luckily, I get a new phone every 1.5 years. What I do not get is a new car every 1.5 years. If that battery starts getting diminishing returns after 2 years or 4 years... I'm f***ed.
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06-06-2022, 01:45 PM | #28 | |
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But, there are other balances and benefits: -the tech will continue to improve and the fact is that people will buy the cars with the cheapest battery replacement which will force all competitors to improve this. -even if it's a cost wash, you save life and time and probably health by literally never having to go to a gas station. And so if I can buy an EV and spend the same amount of money on it over the life of the car as a gas car, then I'm still better off with the EV due to other externalities like the pollution, the interaction with fuel, the oil changes (which I do myself), etc. It's a rounded decision but most people who think they are thinkers simply go: "HA HA the battery will cost you as much as the gas HA HA!". Yet somehow they never see that other people are just slowly pulling ahead of them in life. On that note, I don't own an E.V. yet. My goal is next year - maybe even the Equinox which looks pretty great. |
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I guess it's better I did get a few gallons the other day, now the stations nearby are $4.99, too.
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Plus you have all those people who got stuck on the interstate last winter which brought up a good point that once its dead in that situation, it's dead. No one can try to bring you fuel to keep it going and warm or to get it started and off the road once its clear, so you're stuck with a costly tow service. I have nothing at all against electric cars, but feel those factors could be an issue, esp in certain places. They might be a better bet for areas that have mild winters. (Plus I'm a die hard Wrangler fan and won't be giving mine up unless it gets so old it can no longer be patched back together, but hopefully that won't be for a long time, or never in my lifetime.) Last edited by IndigoErth; 06-06-2022 at 02:43 PM. |
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Buying a battery powered car is just another consumer option. But your POV on it is that it's the next "EEEEE-Villll". 35 years ago you'd have rallied against computers as the digital mark of the beast, but you're on one now espousing your interpretations of world events to those of us who will read 'em. If you are alive in 20 years you'll be in an all electric-powered environment and by proxy will have to give up on the argument that "going green will kill humans" and the next soapbox will be that nanites that cure disease are an injection from Satan. It never ends. That's circular thinking, brother. Try contiguous and linear logic instead. Even if you are compelled to vomit out some $#!( about my post here, at least quietly look up that chain of words I said there and try to figure out what I mean. Try contiguous and linear logic instead. Quote:
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06-06-2022, 04:43 PM | #34 |
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I have always liked the smell of gasoline. I suppose I am kinda weird.
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06-06-2022, 04:59 PM | #35 |
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I always liked it when wrenching on a car, but can't stand it when I'm cutting grass and turn the lower mower and you just suck all that $#!( air right into your lungs, man.
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06-06-2022, 11:48 PM | #37 |
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There won't be a choice but to have electric cars in my country eventually, I think production of fuel cars will stop here in 2030, also new homes being built from a certain date will have to be built with charging ports (I think I read that right anyway)
As with the upcoming mandatory change to our home heating systems, the green versions cost more, in the thousands. I 'd also feel better about these things when these things are more established, teething problems dealt with, more parts and people experienced in maintainence etc. I think of all the cost of living rises the most noticable for me is home energy. I am paying more for petrol but lukily I don't clock up too many miles so it's not as bad as it is for some, I read it's set to go up again over here though. Last edited by newfan; 06-07-2022 at 12:07 AM. |
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I could probably Google this, but is there any sense of how much charging your car up at your house overnight every night drives up the electric bill every month vs. what you'd ordinarily spend in gas?
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06-07-2022, 12:38 AM | #39 |
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I was thinking the same thing with current electricity price hikes, I don't know enough about them though like how much it costs to charge them at the ports or how often they need charging per miles etc.
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06-07-2022, 05:43 AM | #40 |
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Its going to cost far more for electricity than fuel used to cost... both have have huge price increases this year alone. Used to pay about $100 a month for electricity, my usage hasn't changed any from December last year to January this year yet the first 4 months of this year the bill was closer to $300 for the same "hours" of usage.
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