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Old 08-10-2017, 11:27 AM   #21
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Both the 4Kids and Nick cartoons can be dark and have a TV-Y7 rating.
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There is really is no reason why a PG-13 Turtles film couldn't be dark.
No reason in the world, really. There are many properties where the lack of an R-rating actually does hurt the thing... TMNT isn't one of them, and I'm generally the first guy to advocate blood and guts.
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Old 08-10-2017, 01:12 PM   #22
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No reason in the world, really. There are many properties where the lack of an R-rating actually does hurt the thing... TMNT isn't one of them, and I'm generally the first guy to advocate blood and guts.
Agreed. Although I would take an R-rated tmnt movie over pg-13, if done tastefully. I'm fully aware I'm in the minority and it will never happen, but I like my turtles to experiment with language and substances, like teenagers tend to. Some of that would potentially require an "R" rating, but then again maybe not.
I don't think my vision of the tmnt matches up with most fans these days, who would maybe rahter do without that aspect.
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Old 08-10-2017, 01:46 PM   #23
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I knew without reading he'd have nothing but good things to say.

I really can't take the man seriously. If it's TMNT, he approves. That's it. I appreciate his work and his enthusiasm, but he has pretty much zero credibility with me.

"Lost Angeles", huh? What happened to his "Fistful of Blood?" Did that already tank? I read the first two issues and it's staple Eastman run-and-gun with some blood-and-boobs thrown in for fun.
Kevin is overly positive and Peter is overly negative. Neither is realistic. However, together their opinions make sense. Kevin wants continued work while Peter does not care which plays heavily into their demeanors.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:56 PM   #24
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Over a decade ago, I saw a TMNT cartoon (aka the 2003 one) which featured Donatello in a future where Mikey had one of his arm's gone, Leo was pretty much blind, Raph had lost an eye, and everyone died at the end except Donatello and an older April. And Donny killed Shredder.

That's 10x darker than anything in these movies. And that was a Saturday Morning Cartoon.

This crap, on the other hand? Has farting rhinos/pigs, a GQ Casey Jones, boners, and a nunchucking vehicle that also shoots sewer lids.

What edge is he talking about? The edge of the cliff that fans wanted to jump off of after watching these stupid things?

The only thing dark about these movies is the BS these people are shoveling into faces.

With all due respect to Mr. Kevin Eastman...but please remind us again about those 'Fight Scenes reminiscent of The Raid & Fist of Legend' that you said would be in these films.


So spot on...

Eastman seems for some, to be able to do no wrong, but he did basically abandon the Turtles in 2000ish... sold out his shares to Peter.... and still here, alot of the time Peter gets the most crap for not finishing volume 4.... at least Pete disapproves of the crappy parts of the Turtles, his or others.... lol.
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Agreed. Although I would take an R-rated tmnt movie over pg-13, if done tastefully. I'm fully aware I'm in the minority and it will never happen, but I like my turtles to experiment with language and substances, like teenagers tend to. Some of that would potentially require an "R" rating, but then again maybe not.
I don't think my vision of the tmnt matches up with most fans these days, who would maybe rahter do without that aspect.
Some teenagers do, some don't. I'd rather not see the bro's smokin dope and shooting heroin.... And please, no animal/human TIMNT bits... Can go further, not seeing everything... We have had origin stories... next up in some meat on the bones.

Opening credits, Marvel like bits of origin (flashback, whatever) and then move the plot forward to something new.
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I would personally like to see what kind of movie Kevin himself would create if he had total creative freedom- write his own script, director and crew adhering to his vision, no compromising to corporate interests or focus groups, what do you all think we'd get?
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Old 08-13-2017, 06:41 PM   #27
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I would personally like to see what kind of movie Kevin himself would create if he had total creative freedom- write his own script, director and crew adhering to his vision, no compromising to corporate interests or focus groups, what do you all think we'd get?
I wonder if he and Peter Laird were hands on with the 1990 movie, since it was pretty much an Indy movie.
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Old 08-13-2017, 06:48 PM   #28
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I would personally like to see what kind of movie Kevin himself would create if he had total creative freedom- write his own script, director and crew adhering to his vision, no compromising to corporate interests or focus groups, what do you all think we'd get?
All by himself? It would be like the Mirage "Return to New York" story with violence teetering more towards a "Bodycount" level. With parkour ninjas.
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It's cool to see people ragging on Eastman after Laird got ragged on for so many years and people saw him as the savior. I guess we understand now that TMNT really was both Laird and Eastman who put each other in check.
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I just wish they would make a more loyal movie adaptation of the Mirage series. After reading the original Mirage series I realized how much better the movie could have been. Its still a good movie, but it could have been so much better.
Hell I would love to see a movie along the lines of the 2k3 show.
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:13 PM   #31
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I just wish they would make a more loyal movie adaptation of the Mirage series. After reading the original Mirage series I realized how much better the movie could have been. Its still a good movie, but it could have been so much better.
You had me until...

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Hell I would love to see a movie along the lines of the 2k3 show.
... this part.
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... this part.
Andrew I doesn't matter little you value the 2k3 series. A movie based on the 2k3 series would be infinitely better than any movie we have had so far. You love the Mirage series and the 2k3 is a cartoon is a adaptation of those comics therefore you would think at some level you enjoyed or at least respected the 2k3 series and would probably enjoy a movie based around the 2k3 cartoon with the same tone. Also when I talk about the 2k3 series I am referring to seasons 1-5 only.
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All by himself? It would be like the Mirage "Return to New York" story with violence teetering more towards a "Bodycount" level. With parkour ninjas.
Pretty much this.
All you're missing is an extremely busty April in a skin-tight jumpsuit and you have a typical Kevin story.
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Maybe in 1995. Now, I think it'd be something more like The Blue Door.

Think of the 4th movie pitch, Threezero designs, etc. Wildly different, edgy, some sort of trans-dimensional hiccup, new powers, etc.
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Andrew I doesn't matter little you value the 2k3 series. A movie based on the 2k3 series would be infinitely better than any movie we have had so far.
Well, you have a point there.

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Except it's a show that's about 1 part those comics, and about 4 or 5 parts random toy stuff and slapstick stuff that simply wasn't there. And is tonally far, far away.

With exceptions. I did watch I, Monster, and the Kirby episode and those seemed fairly dead-on. "Return to New York" was an embarrassment.
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Maybe in 1995. Now, I think it'd be something more like The Blue Door.

Think of the 4th movie pitch, Threezero designs, etc. Wildly different, edgy, some sort of trans-dimensional hiccup, new powers, etc.
God, I would actually love something like that. It sounds so fresh compared to the Lukewarm Shredder-Stew we've been served for so long. The Foot is one of my favorite aspects of TMNT but I think we need to sidestep it for a while.

Plus, I sort of like those Threezero designs.

Edit: Wow, looks like the ThreeZero Eastman figures are going for upwards of $200-300. Didn't expect them to be that expensive.

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All by himself? It would be like the Mirage "Return to New York" story with violence teetering more towards a "Bodycount" level. With parkour ninjas.
And this is bad, how?
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Eastman seems for some, to be able to do no wrong, but he did basically abandon the Turtles in 2000ish... sold out his shares to Peter.... and still here, alot of the time Peter gets the most crap for not finishing volume 4.... at least Pete disapproves of the crappy parts of the Turtles, his or others.... lol.
from bits and pieces i've heard in interviews Kevin and Peter were not getting along at all.

it's not so different than a divorce. only that there is no joint custody of the kids.
i imagine it must have been a very painful thing for Kevin to have to do.
but what's more painful? turning your back on something you love that you created,
or staying in a relationship/partnership that has turned sour.
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