11-10-2021, 04:05 PM | #121 |
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Fixed it for you. And yes, I agree 100%.
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11-10-2021, 04:17 PM | #122 |
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A real bullet didn't kill Brandon Lee. "Oops".
There's only one reason anyone wants real guns (or bullets) on a movie set. Redneck Bullsh*t. I have no time for that. It's lunacy. I mean, all this talk about "gun safety", when I'm pretty sure that one of the primary rules of gun safety is "People who are drunk and/or intoxicated shouldn't be handling guns." Meanwhile, everyone on a movie set is either drunk, hungover, or high on cocaine. It's a miracle there aren't more of these "accidents". BUT, they're 100% preventable, and doing less than 100% to prevent them is irresponsible. I have no problem with guns. But they just don't belong in certain places. They don't belong on a movie set any more than they belong in school or church. Except if you're a security guard, obviously, but that's a different conversation. "But the recoil!" Nobody. CARES. No-f*cking-body cares if the recoil looks "real". Everybody wants the entire industry to switch to fake guns. This is like some "We've always had separate water fountains for black people, so let's just keep doing that even though it's stupid and makes no sense" kinda sh*t. Things evolve, that's real life.
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11-10-2021, 06:44 PM | #124 |
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Why have a "head armorer" whose job it is to check the firearms at all, then? To stand around?
There were multiple people whose entire job was to ensure that gun was "safe" by the time it reached Alec Baldwin's hands. I'm willing to bet that Alec Baldwin never in his life handled a real gun outside of a movie set. Most people haven't. If someone hands me a gun and asks me to "check it", I have no idea what I'm looking at. Most people don't. If I'm an actor, nowhere is that in my job description. I'm trusting the people who DO have it in their job description, to do their goddamn job. When I show up to wrestle, it's not my job to inspect the ring for loose cables or broken boards. I CAN do that, and some guys in fact do. But I am not supposed to HAVE to; my job is to get in the ring and perform, not to build and/or inspect it. I'm supposed to trust that the dozen guys with "Ring Crew" in their job title all did their job. Because that is the ONLY reason those people are there. If I have to do their job for them then something is very wrong. And if I shoot a guy into the ropes, and the rope breaks - which has happened, not to me personally but I've witnessed it up close - and the guy hits the floor and gets hurt, *I* am not the one at fault and I'm not the one who gets fired. That's the Ring Crew Guy who f*cked up, and they're the one who gets the heat. I only did exactly what I was supposed to do; "mechanical failures" are not my problem because none of that is in my job description. Because me shooting the guy into the ropes isn't why they broke, in this hypothetical; they broke because they were put on wrong, and I wasn't the one in charge of that. Even if Alec Baldwin "checked the gun", you have no reason to believe that he'd even know what he was looking at. And it also doesn't negate the fact that this woman in charge of gun safety was completely negligent in her duties on another movie earlier this year, and that prop guns were going off like Jiffy-Pop all week long on this movie's set before the incident with Baldwin even happened. It's technically true that Alec Baldwin pulling the trigger was what caused the cinematographer's death. BUT. If the person whose ONLY job it was to ensure gun safety had done their job, then Alec Baldwin isn't holding a loaded gun in the first place. That's just simple Cause and Effect. Sh*t rolls downhill, not uphill.
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11-11-2021, 04:22 PM | #125 |
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for a stage play we handled a real gun for a murder mystery show. There was a very lengthy, standard set of procedures we had to follow. As stage manager I was part of this process.
1. I had to retrieve the gun which was locked in a room on the opposite side of the building and also unlock it from a safe for which I was the only one with the key. 2. The gun, stored in a small locked box, was handed to someone else familiar with guns to make sure the gun was not loaded, including the barrel. They would then load with blanks. 3. The gun was only handled by the actor who used it during the show. It stayed in his possession until after the scene it was used. 4. When firing the blanks, the gun was aimed not at the other actor, but behind them, using the angle from the audience to obscure the reality of the shot angle. 5. Gun was confirmed empty, placed back in the box and I would take it back to the safe. The gun was handled by 3 people, each one with specific tasks. Nobody was aimed at and the gun was inspected thoroughly before each use. I still don't think it was worth it. ****'s dangerous. A community college doesn't need a real gun for a cheap stage play. Ideally if a gun is used, it should never be pointed at a person if possible. Human error is just impossible to avoid entirely. |
11-11-2021, 04:25 PM | #126 |
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I'm just worried about the outcome of this tragedy.
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11-11-2021, 04:33 PM | #127 | |
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Kinda seems like the polar opposite of Common Sense, to me. I'd f*cking leave, were I in that cast. Like "Nah, have fun guys, I'm out. I'm not getting paid enough for whatever the heck this is." A movie, same thing. I'm here to dick around and play pretend, don't go waving a f*cking gun around anywhere near me. With my luck I'd be the one getting accidentally shot. Nah. "That doesn't work for me, Brother."
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11-11-2021, 05:08 PM | #128 | |
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In a small room like this all we did was hurt everybody's ears. Also this was community theater so nobody got paid except the director who decided to bring in a real gun. Seriously looking back it makes no sense. The director had a big ego and wanted to sell the "realism" by using a real gun instead of a sound effect. |
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11-11-2021, 05:46 PM | #129 |
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Oh, f*cking lovely. Guy sounds like a real winner.
One of my buddies from wrestling has been in the hospital for two weeks (and counting) with third-degree burns all over his body after doing a deathmatch with Atsushi Onita on some independent show in front of (maybe) 300 people at most. He's a nice guy, but he's a f*cking idiot and he's lucky to be alive. Because, y'know... it's fake. Therefore sh*t like that is totally unnecessary. Like, what's the Upside/Downside on that kinda sh*t? What is the f*cking POINT? Who are you gonna impress? Nobody WORTH impressing, I can tell you that for nothing. And worst-case, someone could die for no reason at all. Stupid!
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11-11-2021, 06:03 PM | #130 |
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What the...?
What happened?
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11-11-2021, 06:16 PM | #131 |
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To who, my buddy Matt Tremont? Short version, "He agreed to a deathmatch with goddamn Atsushi Onita." They just did a whole "Dark Side of the Ring" episode on Onita, and the entire Japanese Death Match culture. Give it a watch on YouTube, it's fascinating stuff even though your faith in humanity will drop a hundred points in less than an hour.
I didn't see the match itself because I think deathmatch wrestling is garbage, even though I have a lot of friends who do it. But a fire stunt went horribly wrong and my buddy got the worst of it. He owns the company, he promoted the show, he paid Onita to fly over from Japan, he booked the match, and he agreed to do the fire stunt. So, to his credit, he's not pointing any fingers. STILL just about the stupidest goddamn thing I've ever seen or heard of in my entire goddamn life, though. Pro Wrestling Is Not Real. Setting yourself on fire in front of 200 sweaty mouth-breathers who would cheer at a lynching does NOT make it any more "real", it just makes you a self-mutilating dumbass. That's my position. BUT, Matt is a teddy bear so I love and am rooting for him. I just wish he had more common sense. Because he really is a sweet guy. But in this, he has absolutely no one to blame but himself. Never should have been booked. Zero upside. NONE. Figure 250 people there at $20-30 a ticket... even if you round it up to 300 people at $30 a head, that's what, nine grand? And I know Onita probably got paid a few thousand bucks, especially with travel expenses. Probably 30 other guys in the locker room, they each get paid from the gate. Then there's the building rental and the insurance... putting on a wrestling show is SUPER expensive and most indy shows LOSE money at the end of the night. If my buddy went home with two grand in his pocket at the end of the night, that'd be a miracle. And that's BEFORE the lengthy stay in the burn ward. I don't know if he has health insurance, but most wrestlers don't, so... yeah. Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes. Again, I love the guy. But... just... WHY? WHY would anyone do this? I don't understand. I'll never understand. It's just entertainment. People shouldn't get hurt.
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11-11-2021, 06:43 PM | #132 |
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Yikes. You're right, that's messed up and in essence (as dark as the thought is, from a business stand point) even more lost money since he's out of commission and can't do a whole lot while he's mending.
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11-11-2021, 07:02 PM | #133 |
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Yeah.
Some of the message board comments about him and his situation are... not kind. They make me mad, but I have to remind myself that 1. I know him personally, these people calling him nasty names do not, and 2. Objectively, they're not altogether wrong, even though they have no goddamn tact in expressing their feelings on the matter. Like, nobody is GLAD he got hurt and they wouldn't be glad if he'd died. But I'm seeing a lot of, "Well f*ck it, if he did die then that's what he gets. Now he's taking up hospital resources that could've gone to someone with cancer or Covid or... y'know, anything that's not a self-inflicted 'I'm just a dumb idiot' type sh*t." And I mean, they're not wrong. It's MEAN, but it's not factually incorrect. Stuff like this is why when I see people get hurt needlessly - for entertainment - I just really push back hard on it. Guns on a movie set, guy getting burned alive in front of a couple hundred bloodthirsty nerds... "Do these things NEED to happen, and can they be avoided?" Absolutely No, and Absolutely Yes.
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All I can say from sitting home in my easy chair is any time someone hands me a gun, I fully expect they check it before handing it over to me & I fully check it once its in my hands. Once in my hands, anything that happens with it is on me. But then, I'm a responsible firearms owner not some pos douchebag actor who thinks his sh!t don't stink that hates freedom. |
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12-01-2021, 02:12 PM | #135 |
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Things are starting to get very weird on this story:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...202159907.html
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12-01-2021, 02:51 PM | #136 |
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I wonder, how does this work?
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12-01-2021, 05:57 PM | #137 | |
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He is an actor. He's deflecting to create doubt and then curiosity on the story. Probably on advice of his counsel.
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12-02-2021, 12:25 PM | #138 |
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Assistant Director now says the gun must have misfired because Baldwin never put his finger on the trigger (on a gun that was never supposed to contain live rounds... on the set for a scene that apparently wasn't scripted for gunfire):
https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-rust...132246934.html I guess this is just one bizarre instance of terrible luck, or... well...
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At some point they will say the gun was remote-controlled.
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12-02-2021, 12:59 PM | #140 |
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This could end up being a conspiracy so wild that it gets its own movie.
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