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Old 02-27-2020, 11:34 PM   #281
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Problems with premature evaluation.

I mean, I left The Usual Suspects with about 20 minutes left. Why make a movie about Kevin Spacey while this Keyser Soze is the real player? I'm surprised they didn't make proper sequel out for that guy.

I did this with the 6th Sense as well. I got tired of Bruce Willis' wife being a bitch and not even looking at him during conversations. Come on.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:22 AM   #282
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Problems with premature evaluation.

I mean, I left The Usual Suspects with about 20 minutes left. Why make a movie about Kevin Spacey while this Keyser Soze is the real player? I'm surprised they didn't make proper sequel out for that guy.

I did this with the 6th Sense as well. I got tired of Bruce Willis' wife being a bitch and not even looking at him during conversations. Come on.
Fair points. Come to think of it, in that time and place I would have welcomed a Keyser Soze movie sequel. Though I did appreciate Singer slapping close the "trapdoors" at the end there. It worked and seemed powerful enough. Between that movie and Apt Pupil it seemed like Singer would have a long career as an auteur. And then he went on to do X-Men 1 which revolutionized the comic book movie industry before then going on to do his best to sabotage it in everything he's ever done after that. With a brief pause for an OK Valkyrie movie.

6th Sense, I can't comment. The hysteria on the early internet was so loud I couldn't avoid the big spoiler, so I was already spoiled going into it. So I can sit here and say it seemed obvious from the start, but I have no idea how I'd view it going in with 0 spoilers. I want to say I would have caught it from the start, because that's how I watch movies... but idk. My memory of it is vague as I only saw it the once but it seemed an OK enough gimmick/twist movie, which is what all of M. Night's early movies all were until he stopped the "OK enough" part of the equation.
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Old 02-28-2020, 09:22 AM   #283
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Glad you enjoyed it. I liked it too.

I don't think Thomas Wayne being a hardass means Rhas Al Ghul is right that Gotham should burn. Sort of extreme if you ask me.
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Not really. Isn't Rhas whole argument that there is no one good in gotham, hence why it needs to burn? about the ONLY good person we saw was the records keeper at arkham. even the cops where dicks..accidentally or otherwise shooting that guy on the subway inciting a riot (was the big guy supposed to be detective bullock?)

I also don't see this version of bruce wayn'es parents being all that loving and caring that bruce would care about them so much that he'd drive himself to become batman against all odds. that part of the narrative doesn't fit. Ms.Fleck's descrption of Thomas wayne 'that he does care' is what we where supposed to get. not really what we got.

As for midway reviews.. there is alot going on in this movie, and I wanted to get it down before I forgot some of it.

as for the end.. how did the clowns know where the jokers car was going to be in order to temp rescue him? that didn't make much sense.

they totally forgot about his neighbor at the end. and she was just as crazy as he was. wanting him to go to her office and cause havoc.

all in all, it was an enjoyable enough movie for what it was. something different in the super hero genre. interesting music...some of it reminding me of batman begin's 'half hero theme'.

A sequel would almost half to take place ten or more years later and be about bruce's first confrontation with him.
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Old 02-28-2020, 11:28 AM   #284
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I'd really like to see a good movie about Two-Face.
His whole concept of duality is extremely interesting to me.
Just saying.
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Old 02-28-2020, 11:38 AM   #285
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they totally forgot about his neighbor at the end. and she was just as crazy as he was. wanting him to go to her office and cause havoc.
Jesus, man. All of his interactions with her were in his head. Did you not see the flashbacks of the scenes that she was supposed to be in and she was suddenly missing? Or how scared she was when he was in her apartment?

I guess you missed it because you were too busy writing a review instead of paying attention.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:07 PM   #286
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He also said he thought she was like Harley Quinn, which blows my mind because they’re nothing alike. I wonder what movie he watched.
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Old 02-28-2020, 05:13 PM   #287
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Not really. Isn't Rhas whole argument that there is no one good in gotham, hence why it needs to burn? about the ONLY good person we saw was the records keeper at arkham. even the cops where dicks..accidentally or otherwise shooting that guy on the subway inciting a riot (was the big guy supposed to be detective bullock?)

I also don't see this version of bruce wayn'es parents being all that loving and caring that bruce would care about them so much that he'd drive himself to become batman against all odds. that part of the narrative doesn't fit. Ms.Fleck's descrption of Thomas wayne 'that he does care' is what we where supposed to get. not really what we got.

As for midway reviews.. there is alot going on in this movie, and I wanted to get it down before I forgot some of it.

as for the end.. how did the clowns know where the jokers car was going to be in order to temp rescue him? that didn't make much sense.

they totally forgot about his neighbor at the end. and she was just as crazy as he was. wanting him to go to her office and cause havoc.

all in all, it was an enjoyable enough movie for what it was. something different in the super hero genre. interesting music...some of it reminding me of batman begin's 'half hero theme'.

A sequel would almost half to take place ten or more years later and be about bruce's first confrontation with him.
I don't think Thomas Wayne is the crux of all society and that his actions should lead to the judgement and death of an entire city. If you're saying the entire city had no redeeming souls, than I mean, maybe burn them all? Idk, I can't vote for it. But I was debating the idea that Thomas being an asshole means everyone is an asshole.

A lot of people are shown to be assholes in this film, but we also know much of what we are told isn't even accurate.

Also, it's a completely different movie and Gotham anyway.
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Old 02-29-2020, 07:52 AM   #288
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I'd really like to see a good movie about Two-Face.
His whole concept of duality is extremely interesting to me.
Just saying.
There is a really good Two-Face solo story in one of the Batman Black and White volumes.
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Old 03-01-2020, 10:43 AM   #289
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I don't think Thomas Wayne is the crux of all society and that his actions should lead to the judgement and death of an entire city. If you're saying the entire city had no redeeming souls, than I mean, maybe burn them all? Idk, I can't vote for it. But I was debating the idea that Thomas being an asshole means everyone is an asshole.

A lot of people are shown to be assholes in this film, but we also know much of what we are told isn't even accurate.

Also, it's a completely different movie and Gotham anyway.
You have to remember, certain villains, even ones that don't see themselves as villains like Rahs Al Ghul, see things in black and white. He could see enough corrupt people in Gotham to determine that the entire city is corrupt and not worth saving.... OR he could also see that there are so few redeemable souls in Gotham that they're worth sacrificing for the sake of his goal.

Rah's ideas have always involved mass genocide for 'the sake of the greater good'. His strong convictions in what he's doing is right or necessary is what makes him so dangerous.
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I don’t think I need to use spoilers since it’s already on home release.

I’m not the biggest Batman fan so I’m sure I missed references and Easter eggs. I have not even seen Dark Knight or Rises yet. Anyway the movie is great. Good setup, acting and tone.

My only complaint is something I thought just didn’t make sense. Why were the Wayne’s out during a riot? Was it a theater or restaurant they left? Regardless Thomas was running for Mayor and there was a lot of protesting so it seemed odd they’d go out at all. Unless the riot started just then during that sequence but then wouldn’t they have bodyguards?

So I read the theory that Fleck is not the real Joker and I honestly do NOT like that idea. Having a partner/henchman (or even someone who secretly wanted to replace him) take over later is fine but treating this as just the guy who inspires the actual Joker makes this seem pointless. All of this...and he’s not even the famous villain? Not that they’ve officially made it so but still.

I know the age difference with Bruce would be big but that’s actually an interesting direction imo. Joker could run his crime for decades knowing Gotham fears him and when Bruce finally turns into Batman he’s surprised someone opposes his power. Being older he could try to defeat Batman behind the scenes until they finally meet and Bruce reveals himself.

The director mentions wanting it to be a standalone movie but that’s basically impossible. Sure there could never be a sequel made but that would be a huge missed opportunity.
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Old 03-06-2020, 12:27 AM   #291
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All of those theories are fake. They had no long term plan for Joker movies and certainly never discussed "maybe this is the Joker that inspired the Jared Leto Joker" on any level, at any time. Hell, they don't even know if they still want the Leto Joker... they cut him out of Birds of Prey.

Now, as they presently toss around the idea of Joker 2? Maybe. But we'd still end up with 50+ year old Bruce Wayne in the present, which isn't what they're going for anymore since "The Batman" is present day. Unless the idea is to make a sub-DCDU verse where it's like, Joker in the 80s and The Batman in the 2000s/2010s, and everything else (Aquaman, WW, Harley, Shazam) in this other DCEU.

Eugh. What a mess. What a needless mess.
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Ya I don’t really follow the DC universe so I don’t know what the plan was in general but I could see 2. Other franchises have separate versions.

I was kind of expecting a Batman tease at the end. I understand why they didn’t but there could be 2 series or is The Batman supposed to be sort of connected?
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