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Old 12-31-2018, 12:25 PM   #21
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I also think Bernie would have won over Trump too.
No way. Zero chance.
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:46 PM   #22
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I guess? Is he running again? I remember opinion polls back then asking about the possible scenarios, and Sanders apparently would beat Trump easily... but then again Hilary was supposed to beat Trump and we all know what happened.
Bernie would have had a far better chance than hillary.

They tried the 'like trump' option with hillary.
Hillary was rather unlikeable. and too much like trump in her approach/public appeal. at least trump could smile a little and pretend to be likeable to his base. hillary didn't even come out to thank hers when she lost.
I personally think they had a better shot with Bernie.

This was the first time around I actually paid attention to what was going on. if only because all this SJW crap infested my movies and you basically had to get into politics in order to even begin to have an opinion on things, or else have what you said mis understood, or mis stated by the crazies out there.

I thought Obama might be the change that was needed, but he proved to be just as bad as everyone else.

As far as Trump goes... it's really REALLY sad that people where so hysterical over it, folks had to come on the next day after the election and say 'Everything will be OK'...... I actually saw that on my FB feed. Yet, here we are 3 years later, and still pretty much status quo.
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:18 PM   #23
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No way. Zero chance.
More chance than Hillary, but that is NOT saying much.
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:32 PM   #24
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More chance than Hillary, but that is NOT saying much.
I don't see it. Bernie's whole ideology is simply not consistent with even half of the democrats' out there. Literally the only thing that would give him any sort of an edge over Hillary would be that he's not a woman.
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:41 PM   #25
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I don't see it. Bernie's whole ideology is simply not consistent with even half of the democrats' out there. Literally the only thing that would give him any sort of an edge over Hillary would be that he's not a woman.
Not true. Hillary had 8 years of baggage from Bill's presidential terms, plus her time in the Obama administration.

That's a LOT of fodder for dislike and hate. Bernie, comparatively speaking, has far less animosity directed towards him.

People vote AGAINST candidates as often, if not more, as they vote FOR candidates.
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Old 12-31-2018, 02:41 PM   #26
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Agree with the bolded but what do you expect from Crooked Hillary and the Dems pulling that shady **** to make Hillary the Nominee. I also think Bernie would have won over Trump too.
I don't know.... Maybe some transparency........ They are accusing Trump of cheating and Russia of manipulating the process, but they did the exact same thing!!!!! They both manipulated the democratic process.

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No way. Zero chance.
That is an ignorant statement. Bernie was winning independent voters over. He had a very good chance of winning especially coming from a pro-gun state demonstrating his ability to appeal to the other party and gun owners. IMO he would have beat Trump. Hillary won the popular vote, but loss the electoral. Bernie probably would have won.

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More chance than Hillary, but that is NOT saying much.
Hillary all most won. She won the popular vote and many of the swing states were very close to going blue. I think people forget how close that race was.
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Old 12-31-2018, 04:26 PM   #27
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Not true. Hillary had 8 years of baggage from Bill's presidential terms, plus her time in the Obama administration.

That's a LOT of fodder for dislike and hate. Bernie, comparatively speaking, has far less animosity directed towards him.

People vote AGAINST candidates as often, if not more, as they vote FOR candidates.
Maybe so, but I'd wager if Bernie had been on the ballot it would just translate into less Democrats even bothering to vote at all. Like him more or less than Hillary, there just isn't that many people into socialism beyond an outspoken minority.
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Old 12-31-2018, 06:57 PM   #28
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Maybe so, but I'd wager if Bernie had been on the ballot it would just translate into less Democrats even bothering to vote at all. Like him more or less than Hillary, there just isn't that many people into socialism beyond an outspoken minority.
I feel like there are a LOT of dumb college kids who buy into Bernie, but that might just because of my personal locale.
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Old 12-31-2018, 08:06 PM   #29
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I feel like there are a LOT of dumb college kids who buy into Bernie, but that might just because of my personal locale.
You're definitely right. Mostly because they haven't actually had to earn their own money yet and just being handed the things you need sounds like a better option than working.
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Old 12-31-2018, 08:33 PM   #30
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You're definitely right. Mostly because they haven't actually had to earn their own money yet and just being handed the things you need sounds like a better option than working.
Oh come on... Free college for everyone is a wonderful idea! Don't bother asking where the money comes from, or how many of those students make good on their educations to become successfully employed and tax-paying citizens.

Feel the burn!
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:19 AM   #31
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In no other civilized country, politicians like Bernie Sanders would be considered "straight-up" socialist. He is a moderate left-winger, nothing more.
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:55 AM   #32
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In no other civilized country, politicians like Bernie Sanders would be considered "straight-up" socialist. He is a moderate left-winger, nothing more.
Are these countries other than the ones where you can (and will) go to prison for posting something funny on Twitter?
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:45 AM   #33
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Are these countries other than the ones where you can (and will) go to prison for posting something funny on Twitter?
No, he's right. Most other Western countries have a mix of socialist and capitalist elements to their government and economy.

The US isn't all that different. Anything we have that's funded by tax dollars is a social program. Roads, schools, libraries, and even the police and military are all social programs.

The difference being that other countries tend to invest more of their tax revenue back into the middle class. America is far behind on public transport and healthcare, for example.

I think one of the biggest issues we face in America is a giant false dichotomy fallacy. We're under the impression that we can have one or the other, but not both.

For example, I currently live and work abroad. In this country, I can get healthcare from the government, through my work, or through a separate insurance company. I can also refuse it all together.

One thing that made the ACA so unpopular was the mandatory nature of it. This "you have to have insurance" edict was not going to fly in a country like America, where we have a tendency to disobey orders for the hell of it.

But that doesn't mean we can't have some kind of comprehensive system that suits everyone.

To bring this back on topic, Warren's policies aren't so much left-wing wet dreams as much as they are solid suggestions for fixing the real problem of monopolies in America.

Currently, most people have two or three options for cable/internet service. Our healthcare is exorbitant. Wages are stagnant. Competition is stymied by larger corporations. The common man is pretty put out. I think everyone in the middle class, regardless of political affiliation.

Trump had some good suggestions, too. I liked his plan about increasing competition in the healthcare industry. It has yet to materialize, but it was at least a suggestion for a problem we're all suffering from.

In the end, I agree with everyone else here: Warren's chances are pretty low. I think Biden might be the way to go on this one. Trump's strength is running the election like a WWE main event. Warren's going to bring droning policy to what's essentially a rap battle. Unless she's about to 8 Mile this ****, I don't think it's going to happen.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:05 AM   #34
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How she intends to regain the spotlight:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/u...en-nevada.html
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:36 AM   #35
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/u...en-nevada.html
“We can’t count on the media to cover our campaign fairly, so we’re taking our case directly to voters.”

LOL what?

This is coming from a person who is backed by CNN, who will do everything in their power to make sure Bernie doesn't win the primaries.

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Old 02-18-2020, 12:28 PM   #36
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“We can’t count on the media to cover our campaign fairly, so we’re taking our case directly to voters.”

LOL what?

This is coming from a person who is backed by CNN, who will do everything in their power to make sure Bernie doesn't win the primaries.
Both that woman and Hilary Clinton are the archetypes of what you don't want in the White House as far as female candidates go. They are both at different positions on the same spectrum, but they are exactly the female boss you don't want to have, they both project personality that you absolutely do not want in leadership.

Meanwhile, the Dems have Tulsi sitting on the sidelines, and while she's not a perfect candidate either, I would at least trust her to lead the country in it's best interests and I'd give her serious voting consideration. I just disagree with her positioning and her framework regarding what kind of Federalist system we live in. But that's it.

Clinton? Corrupt, manipulating POS. Warren? Softly enunciating overcompensater who plays the "woman" card rather than having any real skills. Tulsi? Completely valid, respectful person with the look of a leader and a skilled speaker and clear thinker who just happens to have a systems-ideology that I don't agree with.

And I'm barely right of center.
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She's right, they can't count on the media to cover campaigns fairly because they're actively trying to knock Bernie Sanders all the way down because he's not the candidate the media wants.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:10 PM   #38
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She's right, they can't count on the media to cover campaigns fairly because they're actively trying to knock Bernie Sanders all the way down because he's not the candidate the media wants.
Well, he's not a candidate that's electable. If way less than 50% of Americans want socialism, how is more than 50% going to vote him in? By him explaining the virtues of "democratic" socialism over and over again?
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Well, he's not a candidate that's electable. If way less than 50% of Americans want socialism, how is more than 50% going to vote him in? By him explaining the virtues of "democratic" socialism over and over again?
When you have someone's grandfather talking about how we're getting all of this stuff for free without having to work for it, why wouldnt that be electable?
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:27 PM   #40
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When you have someone's grandfather talking about how we're getting all of this stuff for free without having to work for it, why wouldnt that be electable?
Because most of the country wants aboslutely nothing to do with socialism.
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