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Give the cartoons long enough, and they get pretty bad. Fred Wolf, but I'm obviously a hater; 4Kids and Nick both lost their way as well... or, if you enjoyed the later seasons of both shows, you probably will admit that the shows radically changed the formula a couple of times to try to stay "fresh" with debatable effect. When 4Kids was going well, we had Volume 4 and Tales Volume 2 going strong and a CGI movie. When Nick was going stronger, we had (still have!) IDW comics and a couple of movies. But when the toys stop selling, the entire franchise starts sliding downhill again. Aside from an enterprising filmmaker doing a truly good film series with a more Mirage-esque tone, I don't think we're going to make any progress back up the hill with the next iteration.
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God, I would take those days back, hand over fist. Warts and all.
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While I didn't enjoy it -- like, at all -- 4Kids is probably a better "face" for TMNT kids cartoons out there. I didn't love the 2007 movie, but it is leagues better than either of the PD films.
Comics-wise? There's no comparison. We had Volume 4 going strong, new tales with adult Turtles told straight from the horse's mouth. And hell, the lettercol was sometimes just as entertaining as the comics. Tales V2? What's not to love? Existing Mirage vets and up and comers playing in the Mirage TMNT sandbox? 70 issues worth? Amazing. I wish I didn't take those days for granted. IDW is well-written, but it's basically "Nostalgia: The Ongoing Series"... the biggest points of suspense being when and how they will introduce X character from X pre-existing show/movie/thing, and seemingly cramming it with as many mutants as humanly possible (basically the antithesis of Laird's vision for TMNT). Plus Nickelodeon doesn't even let them actually get their hands dirty. It's just... not TMNT to me, or at least not any TMNT I'm interested in reading about. It's like, a TMNT franchise homage. Pretty, appealing to fans that are super into everything TMNT ever or even just Fred Wolf casuals who are content just seeing Beebop and Rocksteady and pizza again, but fundamentally flawed in my book. IDW is savvy, though. Mirage could have benefitted greatly from the level of their editorial and marketing teams.
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In the 2014 movie it seems that he dies but even if he didn't how is he now younger than Eric Sachs? Recasting is not the issue. The new guy is like a totally different character. Making the new guy his son would have worked perfectly.
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I just took it as that the ooze that seeped into his hand at the end of 2014 rejuvenated him, since the ooze had regenerative properties.
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With so many people working on the IDW comic, I'm not sure that comic can be considered "Kevin's vision", but he does endorse it and it has found nice success. I personally find myself more intrigued by the new characters in the comic...doesn't really blow my mind when they introduce a "classic" character. Some were done well while some were a little forced. Though I will say that while I have no real love for Bebop & Rocksteady from the 80's, I thoroughly enjoyed their introduction in the IDW series. And as far as getting their hands dirty, I think Leo not killing anyone during his stint as Dark Leo and giving him something to weigh on his conscience for a while was the biggest misstep of the first 30 issues. The turtles don't need to be non-stop murder machines, but they are trained in a deadly martial art and use deadly weapons, so I'd expect some casualties from time to time. |
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What's an OOTS? Sounds almost as stupid as Yamcha
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TMNT 2007 was actually more like Mirage vol 4. So you either hated it, or loved it.
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I didn't see OOTS until I was able to get it for free from the library. Not horrible, but nothing I care to watch again.
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This sums up my feelings for the movie in a nutshell.
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I didn't. I watched the first film alright but had no interest in seeing the second one.
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Eh, I would say it's the most like Mirage Vol. 4 over any of the existing 6 TMNT movies, sure, but that's not the same thing as saying it's like Mirage Vol. 4.
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I didn't watch OOTS, but I also wouldn't have watched the one before it if dad hadn't grabbed it from the redbox He may eventually grab OOTS from the redbox too if there's nothing else to watch in there and he wants a movie out of it, but I doubt it. idk maybe. He liked the first one just fine.
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Hey, don't mock Yamcha! He just got his own series in which it turns out he has the greatest potential of all the characters... If he knew where things would be going that is...
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I just realized how true this statement is and that makes me so sad.
I went to see it at a cheap theater with a friend who is also a fan when she was visiting. Regretted it after. This film isn't even worth watching for free in my opinion.
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