The Technodrome Forums

Go Back   The Technodrome Forums > General Forums > General Discussion > Current Events

Notices

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-07-2019, 05:37 AM   #1
Refractive Reflections
Mad Scientist
 
Refractive Reflections's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,274
CFC emissions are increasing despite their worldwide ban, and 40-60% are from China

Quote:
Emissions of ozone-depleting trichlorofluoromethane have increased in eastern China despite a worldwide ban aimed at preserving the atmospheric shield that protects Earth from the sun’s ultraviolet radiation, an international research team found. The team, including the National Institute for Environmental Studies in Japan, published its findings in the British scientific journal Nature on May 23.

Since 2013, according to the researchers, emissions of trichlorofluoromethane, which is used as a bloating agent for heat insulating materials, have risen in eastern China. Trichlorofluoromethane is a type of chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) that is especially damaging to the ozone layer.

The team determined the source of the emissions based on observation data from South Korea’s Jejudo island and Okinawa Prefecture’s Haterumajima island. Those areas have often experienced increases in CFC densities. Eastern China now accounts for 40 percent to 60 percent of the increase in CFCs released around the world.

The trichlorofluoromethane emission amount from eastern China was too large to be attributed to the volume of existing heat insulating materials reported to the United Nations Environment Program, the team said.

After scientists found that CFCs, which had been used widely as refrigerants and in aerosols, were creating holes in the ozone layer, an international moratorium was signed in 1989 to reduce production of trichlorofluoromethane. In 2010, it was banned internationally.

The density of trichlorofluoromethane in the air has been decreasing since the late 1990s, but the rate of decline has been leveling off since the early 2010s, the researchers said.

The ozone layer was expected to be restored to the 1980 level as early as 2050, but that target may become out of reach, according to the study.
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other...cfc/ar-AABYMsK
https://www.reuters.com/article/chin...-idUSL4N22Z0ZR

It's probably most concerning for Australians and New Zealanders since they live closest to the ozone layer holes near the poles. And thus, are exposed to the greatest amount of UV radiation from the sun, and have the highest rates of skin cancer in the world.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifes...ld-report.html
__________________
Society consistently complains about the absence of love in society, but in a self-absorbed narcissism driven society, that won't happen. It's because the purest expression of love is self-sacrificial behavior for the benefit of others, and who would want to make those sacrifices to their own detriment?

Last edited by Refractive Reflections; 06-07-2019 at 06:01 AM.
Refractive Reflections is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:05 AM   #2
snake
Disgusting
 
snake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,062
Remember to turn your water and lights off! Ignore the mile high piles of burning tires in China and India, environmental problems are AMERICAS fault.
snake is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:27 AM   #3
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 8,641
Stand by Your Home Electronics

Quote:
Originally Posted by snake View Post
Remember to turn your water and lights off!.
If that is so important, why not ban production of new standby products? These days are so many television set and equipmant you can't turn off, just put in standby mode.
__________________
Because of continuity and timeline errors, I've given up writing fanfiction based on the 1987-1996 animated television series. Instead, I'm trying to reboot the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles story, something many other fanfiction writers already do:

Hopefully, stories will later appear at

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/968367/O...NT-Cartoon-Fan
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:29 AM   #4
snake
Disgusting
 
snake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,062
Thatís my point. Any damage we do to the environment is miniscule to the damage being done by 3rd world countries and corporations. America is f*cking beautiful even in itís biggest cities, especially compared to the smog-hole that is China.
snake is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:41 AM   #5
triplexxx
Mad Scientist
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,155
Wonder how big a fight they're going to put up when they're told to stop.
__________________
Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs).
"Fright Night" - Three Stooges
triplexxx is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:57 AM   #6
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 8,641
Quote:
Originally Posted by snake View Post
Thatís my point. Any damage we do to the environment is miniscule to the damage being done by 3rd world countries and corporations. America is f*cking beautiful even in itís biggest cities, especially compared to the smog-hole that is China.
Yes. Richer countries may pollute a little bit more, but they also have more money to invest in switching to more environmental-friendly products.
__________________
Because of continuity and timeline errors, I've given up writing fanfiction based on the 1987-1996 animated television series. Instead, I'm trying to reboot the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles story, something many other fanfiction writers already do:

Hopefully, stories will later appear at

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/968367/O...NT-Cartoon-Fan
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:58 AM   #7
oldmanwinters
Overlord
 
oldmanwinters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow!
Posts: 11,543
My electric bill was ten dollars higher this month than last month. I definitely need to do a better job turning off lights!
__________________

Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries!
Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"!
View my sketch work!
I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!
oldmanwinters is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 10:06 AM   #8
Andrew NDB
Weed Whacker
 
Andrew NDB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 16,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by snake View Post
That’s my point. Any damage we do to the environment is miniscule to the damage being done by 3rd world countries and corporations. America is f*cking beautiful even in it’s biggest cities, especially compared to the smog-hole that is China.
Which is why the "Green New Deal" and things like it are asinine. The U.S. covers 6% of the globe but we should go completely oil-less and go to trains instead of planes, and the like? And just expect that everyone else will fall into line? They won't. 0 chance.

It's a bit like going in a room where 100 people are smoking cigarettes, and a security guard tells you to put out yours. Only you, nobody else. What's the point?
Andrew NDB is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 10:53 AM   #9
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
Emperor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 8,641
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew NDB View Post
trains instead of planes
That's fine for shorter distances. But I wonder how Greta Thunberg will get to New York City in September and Santiago de Chile in early-December this year? Boat across the Atlantic Ocean? Train across the Trans–Siberian Railway?
__________________
Because of continuity and timeline errors, I've given up writing fanfiction based on the 1987-1996 animated television series. Instead, I'm trying to reboot the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles story, something many other fanfiction writers already do:

Hopefully, stories will later appear at

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/968367/O...NT-Cartoon-Fan

Last edited by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan; 06-07-2019 at 03:46 PM.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 12:38 PM   #10
Redeemer
Technodrome Technician
 
Redeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: third earth
Posts: 4,625
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew NDB View Post
Which is why the "Green New Deal" and things like it are asinine. The U.S. covers 6% of the globe but we should go completely oil-less and go to trains instead of planes, and the like? And just expect that everyone else will fall into line? They won't. 0 chance.

It's a bit like going in a room where 100 people are smoking cigarettes, and a security guard tells you to put out yours. Only you, nobody else. What's the point?
On the other hand if you are smoker and you know its bad for you, but none of your friends stop so why should you????

Hopefully a lot of the 1st world countries that buy these imports from China and India will put economic pressure on these countries to clean up their act.
__________________
GT:Reedeamer
THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594
Redeemer is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:17 PM   #11
sdp
Winsider
 
sdp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Megalopolis
Posts: 7,446
A lot of lack of information and ignorance in this thread. America produces tons of trash every year more than many other countries, it's not like it's the clean capital of the world. Yes, every little bit helps. Yes, you should use less polluting energy and go for more expensive green energies because rich countries can afford it easily unlike poorer countries. We only have one planet and blaming others or going "they do it why can't we" isn't going to help anyone, get your head out of your ass and think globally for once.

Poor countries are dealing constantly with survival hence their need to use these dirty energies. It doesn't excuse them completely but if rich countries were able to pollute the planet and profit from it for decades, is it really fair? Also some developing countries like China are indeed investing a lot of money in green energies. Also if we divide the population with the amount of their carbon foot print I can assure you America has one of the biggest, China only pollutes as much because of the population.

With that said, yes India and China are a huge problem because of their population size and sadly even with all the effort and all of the laws China are doing to prevent it, it's merely working as a way to not make the problem much worse. I mean it's good but far from what we need. India is also a huge concern since they're investment in green energies is far lower. I do think it's the responsibility of rich countries to help them out, developed countries became that because of riding on the back of the developing ones, not just because 'they were better'.

Luckily at this moment Africa in general isn't as big of a problem with creating pollution but if things are not taken care of, there'll be the next China/India in various countries there. Latin America has had enough economic problems to care about ecology but over the past decade that attitude has changed, they've felt the effects of climate change and pollution and despite not being financially stable many countries are investing heavily in green and they have a far smaller footprint than developed countries.

If poor countries are willing to sacrifice their way of life because of the planet, it's just petty for developed countries to whine about it, what a shame.
__________________
PM me for an invite to the TechnoDrome Discord



Dommage Rave & TMNT @ MiscRave.com
Twitter @ 0sdp
sdp is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 08:55 PM   #12
Redeemer
Technodrome Technician
 
Redeemer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: third earth
Posts: 4,625
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdp View Post
A lot of lack of information and ignorance in this thread.
I think everyone should provide actual statistics/ case studies before this thread gets out of hand and to prevent miscommunication and accusations of false claims.
__________________
GT:Reedeamer
THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594
Redeemer is offline  
Old 06-07-2019, 09:05 PM   #13
sdp
Winsider
 
sdp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Megalopolis
Posts: 7,446
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redeemer View Post
I think everyone should provide actual statistics/ case studies before this thread gets out of hand and to prevent miscommunication and accusations of false claims.
I rarely put links since I don't care if people believe me but in this case I have these handy:
https://www.elsoldepuebla.com.mx/loc...e-3719711.html
https://www.hoylosangeles.com/efe-39...606-story.html
https://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional...ergias-limpias
https://www.pv-magazine-latam.com/20...ones-este-ano/
https://www.latercera.com/que-pasa/n...spalda/684057/
http://www.aimdigital.com.ar/entre-r...su-territorio/
https://energialimpiaparatodos.com/2...ble-electrico/
https://www.infobae.com/opinion/2019...ar-el-planeta/
https://www.jeuneafrique.com/mag/782...re-domestique/
https://www.vivafrik.com/2019/05/25/...le-a29170.html
https://www.jeuneafrique.com/781391/...-lagriculture/
https://www.leconomistemaghrebin.com...rique-en-2020/
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._138106830.htm
https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514e7...d54/index.html (not the most reliable source but backed by nature.com below)
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01563-2
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._138072385.htm
https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/09/...tems-can-renew



Obviously china pollutes more but the US population doesn't even compare. If the Chinese lived like Americans the earth would've already collapsed.
__________________
PM me for an invite to the TechnoDrome Discord



Dommage Rave & TMNT @ MiscRave.com
Twitter @ 0sdp
sdp is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 07:29 AM   #14
Voltron
Ableist
 
Voltron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Realm of SJW
Posts: 4,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew NDB View Post
Which is why the "Green New Deal" and things like it are asinine. The U.S. covers 6% of the globe but we should go completely oil-less and go to trains instead of planes, and the like? And just expect that everyone else will fall into line? They won't. 0 chance.

It's a bit like going in a room where 100 people are smoking cigarettes, and a security guard tells you to put out yours. Only you, nobody else. What's the point?
That's not what the Green New Deal is. If you haven't read it, don't talk about it.

And if you have read it, you don't understand it.

If you want to read it, it's only 14 pages long. Check it out here.

If you don't, I figure this will help when you and Refractive Reflections head out to the Straight Pride Parade.


For anyone interested in not being ignorant of the current political dialogue:

1. The Green New Deal is not a law. It can't be signed into effect. It has almost no power what-so-ever.

It's a House Resolution, which basically means a suggestion. The United States COULD adopt the suggestions within the Green New Deal as a guide for future legislation. More, there's nothing forcing us to adopt every single suggestion IN the Green New Deal.

2. The suggestions in the Green New Deal are not only nebulous, but they mirror a lot of what Trump and the Alt-Right has been demanding for a long time. If you've noticed, there's a bit in there about making companies hire local workers rather than outsourcing or hiring illegal immigrants, for example.

3. The myths about outlawing cows and airplanes is not in there at all. In fact, the opposite is present. The Green New Deal is careful to point out that all action taken must be fair and feasible.

4. The idea that our taken action against climate change is stupid is. . .well, stupid.

I have no idea why some people are so quick to resign us all to fate because they're afraid of being slightly uncomfortable. America was once a land that championed science and innovation. It's why we were the first in flight. It's why we were the first to split the atom. It's why we cured polio. It's why we put a man on the Moon.

Now we're a land of "Oh, that sounds like it might hurt a little, let's hide under the covers like wussies."
__________________
I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior.
Voltron is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 10:07 AM   #15
Sumac
Mad Scientist
 
Sumac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
I have no idea why some people are so quick to resign us all to fate because they're afraid of being slightly uncomfortable. America was once a land that championed science and innovation. It's why we were the first in flight. It's why we were the first to split the atom. It's why we cured polio. It's why we put a man on the Moon.

Now we're a land of "Oh, that sounds like it might hurt a little, let's hide under the covers like wussies."
Where is innovation in suggesting turning US into Socialist backwards country?
__________________
Now with 200,1% more poison!
Sumac is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 03:37 PM   #16
Mayhem
Mad Scientist
 
Mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London, England
Posts: 2,157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltron View Post
It's why we were the first to split the atom.
Ernest Rutherford in Manchester England in 1917 would like to suggest otherwise heh. In a way, why John Logie Baird didnít completely invent the TV, the concept was proven by Russians about ten years prior but only transmitting static images.
__________________
Lie with passion and be forever damned...
Mayhem is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 06:17 PM   #17
Andrew NDB
Weed Whacker
 
Andrew NDB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 16,288
Should we talk about the part of the "Green New Deal" where everyone "unwilling" to work gets a paycheck anyway?
Andrew NDB is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 06:50 PM   #18
Sumac
Mad Scientist
 
Sumac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew NDB View Post
Should we talk about the part of the "Green New Deal" where everyone "unwilling" to work gets a paycheck anyway?
Nah, it breaks narrative of it being a good thing, which is possible to implement.
__________________
Now with 200,1% more poison!
Sumac is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 07:35 PM   #19
Voltron
Ableist
 
Voltron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Realm of SJW
Posts: 4,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew NDB View Post
Should we talk about the part of the "Green New Deal" where everyone "unwilling" to work gets a paycheck anyway?
Again, that's not in there.
__________________
I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior.
Voltron is offline  
Old 06-08-2019, 09:26 PM   #20
Jester
Rat-faced Dude-guy
 
Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 25,372
Ok. I guess I'll close this one.
__________________

"Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656
Jester is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
cancer risk, cfc, china, ozone layer, pollution

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:01 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.