Missed opportunities for Nick's TMNT - Page 4

*CyberCubed* · 03-20-2017, 02:14 PM

The other thing is why not recast them with new actors since they're minor characters? It's not like kids are going to notice or care about a different voice for a random mutant.

They recasted Leonardo from Jason Biggs to Seth Green of all people, one of the major characters of the show with two high profile actors. So I'm sure they could recast some minor recurring characters like Newtralizer, Mutagen Man, etc.

*victory_angel* · 03-20-2017, 03:49 PM

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The other thing is why not recast them with new actors since they're minor characters? It's not like kids are going to notice or care about a different voice for a random mutant.

They recasted Leonardo from Jason Biggs to Seth Green of all people, one of the major characters of the show with two high profile actors. So I'm sure they could recast some minor recurring characters like Newtralizer, Mutagen Man, etc.

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Nick dropping Jason Biggs as Leo was for a different situation.

Danny Trejo and Lewis Black are both high end celebrities and Nick can't add them to budget on a regular basis.

ROdger Craig Smith could possibly have broke contract with Nick and that's why they no longer use his character.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-20-2017, 03:56 PM

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Danny Trejo and Lewis Black are both high end celebrities

No they're not.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-20-2017, 04:00 PM

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No they're not.

Nah, but they're both probably EXPENSIVE celebrities.

*victory_angel* · 03-20-2017, 04:22 PM

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No they're not.

Lewis Black is an A-list comedian

*PApagreg* · 03-20-2017, 05:45 PM

You know its a damn shame we didn't see monkey brains and rat king confront each other after Monkey Brains became more intelligent.

*ToTheNines* · 03-20-2017, 06:05 PM

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You know its a damn shame we didn't see monkey brains and rat king confront each other after Monkey Brains became more intelligent.

Written by Kenny Byerly:

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*CyberCubed* · 03-20-2017, 06:12 PM

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You know its a damn shame we didn't see monkey brains and rat king confront each other after Monkey Brains became more intelligent.

Read the Nick comics.

They utilize some of the other characters more. We see Baxter and Spiderbitez team up in an issue, we see the Punk Frogs come to NY, another Muckman story, more Foot Clan fights, etc.

In my mind they are canon to the show and nobody can tell me otherwise.

*DestronMirage22* · 03-20-2017, 06:31 PM

The comics raise the question then, what stopped them from using certain characters like Mutagen Man or Newtralizer and having stories that involved them, if they weren't gonna be used in the actual show? There'd be no problems with the VA's being available. Such a waste those comics turned out to be. They had the opportunity to fix on the show's mess-ups, and instead they just spat out boring story after boring story.

*ToTheNines* · 03-20-2017, 06:53 PM

Yeah, I was pretty bummed when Byerly stopped writing for it. They just wanted to to tell innocuous stories that didn't step on the toes of the show's continuity. It shined when they cut loose and didn't worry about that stuff though, like the Zodiac story, the current Batman crossover, etc.

*CyberCubed* · 03-20-2017, 06:58 PM

They were probably told the Nick comics couldn't contradict any important continuity of the show or do anything major with Shredder (he's left out of almost all the Nick comics but a few), so they couldn't go full Archie with them and do their own thing.

There's still some good stories in them, even if they're all essentially "filler" stories. As said the Rat King Vs. Monkey Brains issue is one of the best and was just like an episode of the show.

*Chris* · 03-20-2017, 07:04 PM

I'd love them to be able to go full Archie next year once the show's over but sadly with the show ending the comic likely will as well. But it would be fantastic if they did a post show comic where they could really do anything they wanted and be the main narrative rather than just telling side stories (fun as some are)

*Andrew NDB* · 03-20-2017, 07:12 PM

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I'd love them to be able to go full Archie next year once the show's over but sadly with the show ending the comic likely will as well. But it would be fantastic if they did a post show comic where they could really do anything they wanted and be the main narrative rather than just telling side stories (fun as some are)

Doesn't look like the readership is there for that.

*ssjup81* · 03-20-2017, 07:21 PM

Yeah, it is a shame that they didn’t have Rat King and Rockwell meet up again in the show. That would’ve been an interesting meet up. Sucks Rat King wasn’t around more in general.

It still seems like the show is trying not to use too many of the characters that are featured heavily in the IDW comics…like the Mutanimals.

*DestronMirage22* · 03-20-2017, 07:30 PM

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It still seems like the show is trying not to use too many of the characters that are featured heavily in the IDW comics…like the Mutanimals.

I doubt that there would be any issues regarding the use of those characters. I mean, the IDW comics aren't mainstream and I can't imagine any negative affects from them both using the same characters at the same time. They've done it before in the past. They probably aren't using those characters because they forgot about them or serve no purpose for whatever stories they're trying to come up with.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-20-2017, 07:51 PM

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It still seems like the show is trying not to use too many of the characters that are featured heavily in the IDW comics…like the Mutanimals.

I seriously doubt the IDW stuff is much on Ciro's team's radar beyond notes that get passed to theme from up above (i.e., Alopex).

*ssjup81* · 03-20-2017, 08:15 PM

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I seriously doubt the IDW stuff is much on Ciro's team's radar beyond notes that get passed to theme from up above (i.e., Alopex).

The Nick series started to faze out Pigeon Pete in favor of Mondo Gecko…a reimagined character from the past (Archie/OT). I know Nick used Pigeon Pete first and then IDW started using him, but it’s still weird. It’s like the two series on both sides don’t want to use certain characters a lot for their mediums since they're running concurrently. Like I said, it seems to be that way, not saying that it definitely is. Just speculation.

*CyberCubed* · 03-20-2017, 08:48 PM

IDW and Nick use exactly the same characters, just not the new characters introduced for either series. So for example Old Hob won't appear in the Nick cartoon, and characters like Snakeweed, Fishface and Tiger Claw won't appear in IDW.

The only exception is Alopex so far, but she's practically a Ninjara expy anyway. Even moreso now since the Nick cartoon gave her brown fur like Ninjara instead of an Arctic white fox like the IDW version.

*Jephael* · 03-21-2017, 11:16 AM

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I also know Spiderbitez disappeared because of his VA too but nobody cares there because well...it's Spiderbitez.

I must be the only person in the fandom who actually liked that character. Then again, he was played by Lewis friggin Black!!! That guy's a comedy legend!!!

*CyberCubed* · 03-21-2017, 01:28 PM

A lot of the Nick mutants were just one and done monsters. The only exceptions were the ones who worked for Shredder like Tiger Claw, Fishface, and the old characters like Bebop/Rocksteady, Rahzar and Baxter Stockman.

Newtralizer had the most potential to be developed but he literally disappeared after Season 2 until now, at least we know he's in a Season 5 episode.

03-20-2017, 05:45 PM	#66
PApagreg Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,828	You know its a damn shame we didn't see monkey brains and rat king confront each other after Monkey Brains became more intelligent. __________________

03-20-2017, 02:14 PM	#61
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	The other thing is why not recast them with new actors since they're minor characters? It's not like kids are going to notice or care about a different voice for a random mutant. They recasted Leonardo from Jason Biggs to Seth Green of all people, one of the major characters of the show with two high profile actors. So I'm sure they could recast some minor recurring characters like Newtralizer, Mutagen Man, etc.

03-20-2017, 06:31 PM	#69
DestronMirage22 Yukipedia Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 1,723	The comics raise the question then, what stopped them from using certain characters like Mutagen Man or Newtralizer and having stories that involved them, if they weren't gonna be used in the actual show? There'd be no problems with the VA's being available. Such a waste those comics turned out to be. They had the opportunity to fix on the show's mess-ups, and instead they just spat out boring story after boring story.

03-20-2017, 06:53 PM	#70
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	Yeah, I was pretty bummed when Byerly stopped writing for it. They just wanted to to tell innocuous stories that didn't step on the toes of the show's continuity. It shined when they cut loose and didn't worry about that stuff though, like the Zodiac story, the current Batman crossover, etc.

03-20-2017, 06:58 PM	#71
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	They were probably told the Nick comics couldn't contradict any important continuity of the show or do anything major with Shredder (he's left out of almost all the Nick comics but a few), so they couldn't go full Archie with them and do their own thing. There's still some good stories in them, even if they're all essentially "filler" stories. As said the Rat King Vs. Monkey Brains issue is one of the best and was just like an episode of the show.

03-20-2017, 07:04 PM	#72
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,890	I'd love them to be able to go full Archie next year once the show's over but sadly with the show ending the comic likely will as well. But it would be fantastic if they did a post show comic where they could really do anything they wanted and be the main narrative rather than just telling side stories (fun as some are)

03-20-2017, 07:21 PM	#74
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,697	Yeah, it is a shame that they didn’t have Rat King and Rockwell meet up again in the show. That would’ve been an interesting meet up. Sucks Rat King wasn’t around more in general. It still seems like the show is trying not to use too many of the characters that are featured heavily in the IDW comics…like the Mutanimals.

03-20-2017, 08:48 PM	#78
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	IDW and Nick use exactly the same characters, just not the new characters introduced for either series. So for example Old Hob won't appear in the Nick cartoon, and characters like Snakeweed, Fishface and Tiger Claw won't appear in IDW. The only exception is Alopex so far, but she's practically a Ninjara expy anyway. Even moreso now since the Nick cartoon gave her brown fur like Ninjara instead of an Arctic white fox like the IDW version.

03-21-2017, 01:28 PM	#80
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	A lot of the Nick mutants were just one and done monsters. The only exceptions were the ones who worked for Shredder like Tiger Claw, Fishface, and the old characters like Bebop/Rocksteady, Rahzar and Baxter Stockman. Newtralizer had the most potential to be developed but he literally disappeared after Season 2 until now, at least we know he's in a Season 5 episode.