Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 26: Owari - Page 5

*Vicky82* · 02-26-2017, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Redworld96

Add the poll Vicky now that the episode has already been aired

It was really a good ending

I will after the Pacific side airs the episode.

Too be honest, i'm having trouble what to put.

asfaloth12 · 02-26-2017, 09:41 AM

This may become one of my favorite episodes in the entire series.

I loved how all of the turtles worked together to bring Shredder down. They have really grown strong, especially when you compare this fight scene to their first Shredder fight in The Gauntlet. Leo got the final blow (which seemed appropriate to me, seeing how Shredder beat him into a three-month coma at the end of Season 2), but all of the turtles got some good hits in (Go Raph!!) and I really felt that they were all essential in that final fight. Loved that one part with glowing!Mikey as well.

A few other things that were awesome
--Loved the way they did the funeral scene and that scene between Splinter and Leo. For some reason, I really liked the way Leo's eyes turned white at the end of that scene.
--Great music during the scene when they were getting their weapons ready and preparing to face Shredder.

Great episode overall!

*ToTheNines* · 02-26-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PApagreg

Vicky its "you're", seriously how can someone in her mid 30s messed that up.

Don't be a dick, dude. It's one thing to be a grammar nazi, but Vicky is one of the nicest people here. And you're no master with the keyboard, yourself.

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Also in
Broken Foot- Vengeance is bad and you should't be attacking the enemies empire when he is at his weakest

But in
Owari- Vengeance is good and you should attack the enemy when he's basically a ghetto version of doomsday and when he has all his crap in one area.

In Broken Foot, the message was to not kick the hornet's nest.

In Owari, the message was to kill the roided out homicidal maniac before he kills you.

*PApagreg* · 02-26-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Don't be a dick, dude. It's one thing to be a grammar nazi, but Vicky is one of the nicest people here. And you're no master with the keyboard, yourself.

In Broken Foot, the message was to not kick the hornet's nest.

In Owari, the message was to kill the roided out homicidal maniac before he kills you.

Ehh, she tried to call me an idiot a while back.

Also what hornet's nest, at that point in the series we already learned Shredder was willing to sacrifice the world to kill Splinter so Karai attacking his empire would't make the situation any worse. Also doesn't it make more since to kill the maniac when he is bedridden instead when he turns into dime store Hulk.

*GoldMutant* · 02-26-2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Too be honest, i'm having trouble what to put.

You could say something about the Mirage line "The Shredder has been shredded" as a joke as one.

Or maybe a Splinter is God joke? Lots of options.

ninja-zero · 02-26-2017, 10:03 AM

So Stockman's back into human again?

Will he end up going cyborg or perhaps to the supernatural route.

*ToTheNines* · 02-26-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PApagreg

Also what hornet's nest, at that point in the series we already learned Shredder was willing to sacrifice the world to kill Splinter so Karai attacking his empire would't make the situation any worse. Also doesn't it make more since to kill the maniac when he is bedridden instead when he turns into dime store Hulk.

I think Splinter knew how badly he injured him, especially when he disappeared for months.

Plus all Karai was doing was messing with his operations and pissing him off. Perhaps he was being positive and hoping he'd just stay away. I doubt he would have guessed Shredder would have mutated himself.

*PApagreg* · 02-26-2017, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I think Splinter knew how badly he injured him, especially when he disappeared for months.

Plus all Karai was doing was messing with his operations and pissing him off. Perhaps he was being positive and hoping he'd just stay away. I doubt he would have guessed Shredder would have mutated himself.

With all do respect nines, Shredder is always pissed off and at least with Karai messing with his operation damaged his empire as a result. Another thing is that this is the same guy who wanted a mutant army, is responsible for turning half of his enforcers into mutants, allied with an alien species that wanted the extinction of mankind and turned the daughter of Tang Shen(the woman he loved) into a Tyke Bomb. I don't see a type of man like that staying away after his mortal enemy crippled him.

*IndigoErth* · 02-26-2017, 10:34 AM

Alright, I take it back about the funeral... nicely done, if brief. Apparently the first airing started a tad early for me, making me miss seeing that anyone else but the Turtles was even there.

*ToTheNines* · 02-26-2017, 10:34 AM

Ciro posted this today.

Maybe the DVD will let them use this version?

*IndigoErth* · 02-26-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Ciro posted this today.

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...226-123013.png

Maybe the DVD will let them use this version?

Niiiice.... So my "off with his head" wish last week was intended to come true.

No wonder it seemed less brutal compared to Splinter's death.

I dunno, they could have at least shown the sword slice through (in a very quick "blink and you'll miss it" way) if not the separation.

Redworld96 · 02-26-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Ciro posted this today.

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...226-123013.png

Maybe the DVD will let them use this version?

We can see there was a censure between Ciro's picture and the scene aired on Nick:

*ToTheNines* · 02-26-2017, 11:13 AM

The aired version at least allowed more blood on Leo's sword than Ciro's take originally had.

*oldmanwinters* · 02-26-2017, 11:30 AM

I'll confess I was a little let down on the classic beheading sequence. I understand the censorship issue, but it was still more confusing than it needed to be. Leo holds up Shredder's... face?... helmet? I thought the mutagen just molded that face plate to his bones or something? So did Leo have time to clean and gut the mask after winning? I still think the 4Kids Season 1 did the Mirage homage better, but I give Nick credit as this probably was a human death as opposed to a robot shell losing its head.

Also, maybe I missed it, but I didn't follow that Raph and Mikey both fell off the building. I just thought they were knocked out somewhere on the roof until they were suddenly at ground level.

Now I'm really curious as to the limits of Retro-Mutagen. When Kirby O'Neil was a mutant bat, Donatello cooked up a decent amount of Retro-Ooze, but all Kirby needed was a little taste on the tongue to fully restore his humanity. Super Shredder gets hit in the heart with a full bottle and no effect? Maybe it was Baxter's ingenuity at work?

Speaking of Baxter, who knew he had the capacity to make Retro-Mutagen the whole time? Has he ever hinted that he knew how to reverse mutations? You would think Shredder would have tried to utilize that against the Turtles. Ah, vengeance clouds the judgment, I guess.

The opening scene was so well done with the time lapse over the grave as the various folks gradually leave until the turtles alone remained. I was surprised that neither the Mutanimals nor Shinigami offered to help with the final battle. I guess they had already had their pride busted.

*CyberCubed* · 02-26-2017, 11:36 AM

Yeah Super Shredder was given extra mutagen formula and injections by Baxter in the last few episodes, it obviously made him immune to retro mutagen.

*MrTMNT2012* · 02-26-2017, 11:50 AM

It's been a long ride from that

to this.

Aaronardo · 02-26-2017, 11:53 AM

"I've had enough of you, you metal freak!"

God I loved Raph in this episode.

I figured the hype would die down after a couple hours, but no, I've been giddy ever since I saw this episode. I don't blame myself though, this was a damn good one, just like last week. I always got a kick out of the iconic Leo/Shredder shot, and I like that Ciro's representation of it got to shine. Casey's mask is, with lack of a better word, bada$$. The only thing I was a little iffy on was, like others have mentioned, Baxter's desire to remain a fly. I thought that was a strange choice for his character, but this will most likely lead to an interesting plot in Season 5, so it really is more of a minor gripe.

I can not wait to see what this show does next. I haven't felt this excited about this show in a long time, and I'm really happy about it. Bring on Season 5!

*ToTheNines* · 02-26-2017, 11:59 AM

@winters While his armor mutated with him and became a fixed part of his person, the mask wasn't necessarily grafted to his skin. So his head just fell out when Leo picked up the helmet.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah Super Shredder was given extra mutagen formula and injections by Baxter in the last few episodes, it obviously made him immune to retro mutagen.

I like to believe that Don's retromutagen weakened him enough to allow Leo the death blow.

cryan · 02-26-2017, 12:25 PM

I can see Splinter being similar to Obi-wan. I do wish there was a scene where April told about her first meeting Splinter they never showed that at the beginning.

*Ninjinister* · 02-26-2017, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I CANNOT BELIEVE they got away with that 'bass to mouth" joke from Xever.

Right? I had to go back and make sure I heard that correctly.

View Poll Results: Owari
Splinter's dead but it's still not the end of him.	16	27.12%
The Turtles are going through their teenage goth phase.	6	10.17%
Fishface being dirty when he said "I'll give you bass to mouth".	14	23.73%
So is Baxter going to become a cyborg next season.	4	6.78%
So who's ready for season 5.	19	32.20%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

02-26-2017, 09:41 AM	#82
asfaloth12 Thug Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rivendell Posts: 90	This may become one of my favorite episodes in the entire series. I loved how all of the turtles worked together to bring Shredder down. They have really grown strong, especially when you compare this fight scene to their first Shredder fight in The Gauntlet. Leo got the final blow (which seemed appropriate to me, seeing how Shredder beat him into a three-month coma at the end of Season 2), but all of the turtles got some good hits in (Go Raph!!) and I really felt that they were all essential in that final fight. Loved that one part with glowing!Mikey as well. A few other things that were awesome --Loved the way they did the funeral scene and that scene between Splinter and Leo. For some reason, I really liked the way Leo's eyes turned white at the end of that scene. --Great music during the scene when they were getting their weapons ready and preparing to face Shredder. Great episode overall! __________________ Avatar moonchild_x

02-26-2017, 11:30 AM	#94
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 14,939	I'll confess I was a little let down on the classic beheading sequence. I understand the censorship issue, but it was still more confusing than it needed to be. Leo holds up Shredder's... face?... helmet? I thought the mutagen just molded that face plate to his bones or something? So did Leo have time to clean and gut the mask after winning? I still think the 4Kids Season 1 did the Mirage homage better, but I give Nick credit as this probably was a human death as opposed to a robot shell losing its head. Also, maybe I missed it, but I didn't follow that Raph and Mikey both fell off the building. I just thought they were knocked out somewhere on the roof until they were suddenly at ground level. Now I'm really curious as to the limits of Retro-Mutagen. When Kirby O'Neil was a mutant bat, Donatello cooked up a decent amount of Retro-Ooze, but all Kirby needed was a little taste on the tongue to fully restore his humanity. Super Shredder gets hit in the heart with a full bottle and no effect? Maybe it was Baxter's ingenuity at work? Speaking of Baxter, who knew he had the capacity to make Retro-Mutagen the whole time? Has he ever hinted that he knew how to reverse mutations? You would think Shredder would have tried to utilize that against the Turtles. Ah, vengeance clouds the judgment, I guess. The opening scene was so well done with the time lapse over the grave as the various folks gradually leave until the turtles alone remained. I was surprised that neither the Mutanimals nor Shinigami offered to help with the final battle. I guess they had already had their pride busted. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

02-26-2017, 11:53 AM	#97
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,042	"I've had enough of you, you metal freak!" God I loved Raph in this episode. I figured the hype would die down after a couple hours, but no, I've been giddy ever since I saw this episode. I don't blame myself though, this was a damn good one, just like last week. I always got a kick out of the iconic Leo/Shredder shot, and I like that Ciro's representation of it got to shine. Casey's mask is, with lack of a better word, bada$$. The only thing I was a little iffy on was, like others have mentioned, Baxter's desire to remain a fly. I thought that was a strange choice for his character, but this will most likely lead to an interesting plot in Season 5, so it really is more of a minor gripe. I can not wait to see what this show does next. I haven't felt this excited about this show in a long time, and I'm really happy about it. Bring on Season 5! Last edited by Aaronardo; 02-26-2017 at 12:11 PM.

02-26-2017, 10:03 AM	#86
ninja-zero Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 410	So Stockman's back into human again? Will he end up going cyborg or perhaps to the supernatural route.

02-26-2017, 10:34 AM	#89
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,242	Alright, I take it back about the funeral... nicely done, if brief. Apparently the first airing started a tad early for me, making me miss seeing that anyone else but the Turtles was even there.

02-26-2017, 10:34 AM	#90
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	Ciro posted this today. Maybe the DVD will let them use this version?

02-26-2017, 11:13 AM	#93
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	The aired version at least allowed more blood on Leo's sword than Ciro's take originally had.

02-26-2017, 11:36 AM	#95
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,050	Yeah Super Shredder was given extra mutagen formula and injections by Baxter in the last few episodes, it obviously made him immune to retro mutagen.

02-26-2017, 12:25 PM	#99
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	I can see Splinter being similar to Obi-wan. I do wish there was a scene where April told about her first meeting Splinter they never showed that at the beginning.