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Old 02-04-2018, 11:13 AM   #41
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With all due respect, nothing will please you mirage fans at this point.

RTNY was a MUCH better improvement over the mirage version.
focused on pure story with fun mixed in, and cut out alot of stuff not needed.

and who wasn't shocked when leo was allowed to cut of shredders head? someone actually got fired over allowing that.
I would love to hear an actual fleshed our argument on how tmnt 2k3 did RTNY better than the Mirage books. The fact that they are two completely different mediums aside, I still don’t think I could be convinced.

2K3 did an admirable job adapting the comic in cartoon form, but the action-packed layouts in part 1 of Eastman and Laird’s RTNY and the final page of part 3, with the boys standing upon the hill, watching Saki’s body burn easily trumps anything in the 2k3 version for me. I give 2K3 credit for successfully bringing together it’s various plot threads here (tmnt long awaited showdown with Shredder, Stockman’s revenge on both parties) as well as some nicely animated action scenes.

There is also the general sense of gravitas, or sense of finality captured much more eloquently in the Mirage books. Less exposition and more *Donatello blocking an exit and the turtles unsheathing their weapons as they announce “no one leaves”.*

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Old 02-04-2018, 11:27 AM   #42
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re stuff not needed.

stuff like the Worm Shredder. if the Real Shredder was kept around up until at least issue 22, it would have provided a more satisfying ending to him and given him a bit more to do.

of course, all that is hindsight. who knows if it would have worked out the same if that had been the case.

I don't think you ever would have gotten a funeral pyre and helmet on sword in a kids cartoon. i'm shocked we even got the head chopping.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:38 AM   #43
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re stuff not needed.

stuff like the Worm Shredder. if the Real Shredder was kept around up until at least issue 22, it would have provided a more satisfying ending to him and given him a bit more to do.

of course, all that is hindsight. who knows if it would have worked out the same if that had been the case.

I don't think you ever would have gotten a funeral pyre and helmet on sword in a kids cartoon. i'm shocked we even got the head chopping.
You’re right that we wouldn’t have gotten that in a cartoon. Cartoons are limiting, whereas the Mirage adaption lived by its own rules.

Despite me prefering the Mirage version, I think Shredder picking his head up off the ground in 2K3 was pretty damn brilliant in the way it flipped fan expectations on their head, built up a new mystery, and got to have its cake too a bit with the “decapitation” scene all at once. Good stuff. Still, I’ll take the Mirage ending over that.

I can see why you feel that way about the Shredder. I find the worm-Shredder idea just straight up cool, weird, and fun, but it does sort of seem a bit random and meaningless.
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Old 02-04-2018, 11:54 AM   #44
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unfortunately, eliminating that also makes the shredder clones that appear human in the 4kids series kind of pointless too.

how does an utrom create that? oh well..
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Old 02-04-2018, 01:30 PM   #45
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I personally think if the ever did return to New York, the could incorporate elements from the 4kids adaptation- like the 3-way war between the purple dragons, the foot, and the mob allied with Baxter Stockman
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Old 02-04-2018, 01:39 PM   #46
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Are you people high? RTNY in Mirage was a balls-to-the-walls redemption and vengeance crescendo that paid off on everything before it and more in the utmost no-nonsense way. The 4Kids story spent all of its time on gags and goof and Leo chasing around a floating Foot Mystic or something. SAD! Embarrassing to watch.

Who cares if Leo cut the head off a robot? Oooh, how edgy for all of 10 seconds. How groundbreaking! Please.
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Who cares if Leo cut the head off a robot? Oooh, how edgy for all of 10 seconds. How groundbreaking! Please.
To be fair however, people watching it for the first time didn't know that Shredder was an Utrom yet. Leo didn't either and went in with the full intention of killing his foe.
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The biggest villains were the censors. What they could do without being held back is my question. Shredder could've done more than blow up the Channel Six building. I don't mean as far as murdering Splinter, but think of the possibilities if censors were not an issue. Shredder and Krang combined had the biggest arsenal of any villains in all of the cartoons.
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like i said, nothing will make you people happy.

I bet you even had flaws with the don/kirby episode which was all but a straight shot to shot remake .
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I bet you even had flaws with the don/kirby episode which was all but a straight shot to shot remake .
That was the only one I liked.
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Old 02-04-2018, 01:55 PM   #50
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Are you people high? RTNY in Mirage was a balls-to-the-walls redemption and vengeance crescendo that paid off on everything before it and more in the utmost no-nonsense way. The 4Kids story spent all of its time on gags and goof and Leo chasing around a floating Foot Mystic or something. SAD! Embarrassing to watch.

Who cares if Leo cut the head off a robot? Oooh, how edgy for all of 10 seconds. How groundbreaking! Please.
I said story elements could be used from the 4kids version, the mob, Baxter, and the dragons could be added to the plot, replacing the useless stuff, like the guy gettign blown up in the porn shop, and other things that added zero to the story. It could still carry all the bloody violence and vengeance themes you love so much.
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Old 02-04-2018, 02:16 PM   #51
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Are you people high? RTNY in Mirage was a balls-to-the-walls redemption and vengeance crescendo that paid off on everything before it and more in the utmost no-nonsense way. The 4Kids story spent all of its time on gags and goof and Leo chasing around a floating Foot Mystic or something. SAD! Embarrassing to watch.

Who cares if Leo cut the head off a robot? Oooh, how edgy for all of 10 seconds. How groundbreaking! Please.
Did you read the conversation or just read one post? You seem confused.

And as fun and awesome as RTNY by Mirage is, I wouldn’t say it “paid off on everything before it and more”... I mean, unless I was writing an overblown foreword for it or something. Just seems hyperbolic.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s not awesome. It’s a great action-packed three-parter though with some fantastic layouts. It’s badass, has some good character moments between Leo and Raph.

And yes, it’s leagues better than the 2k3 but that one is only “embarrassing to watch” if you’re over 12 years old and someone walks in the room. It’s actually quite fine for a kids cartoon. Not Batman the animated series, but fun nonetheless.
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And yes, it’s leagues better than the 2k3 but that one is only “embarrassing to watch” if you’re over 12 years old and someone walks in the room. It’s actually quite fine for a kids cartoon. Not Batman the animated series, but fun nonetheless.
But... why not Batman The Animated Series? Why not make it that good?
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to some of us it was. at least compared to what we got with the fred wolf show.
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But... why not Batman The Animated Series? Why not make it that good?
I think that’s a tall order, but maybe one day.

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to some of us it was. at least compared to what we got with the fred wolf show.
Well I’m glad you like it, even though I don’t. It’s all subjective in the end.
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