Your unpopular TMNT opinions - Page 13

*Leo656* · 05-30-2020, 06:49 PM

I think April is necessary in the way that, say, Lana Lang is to the Superman mythos. As in she has an important role in the larger story but the story isn't about her. She doesn't need to be a constant primary factor, and she shouldn't be the driving force of too many stories.

I actually don't have a big problem with the basic idea of her picking up some basic martial arts skills, either, as is sometimes portrayed, because a lot of friends who hang out often kind of absorb or at least show an interest in their friends' hobbies. And since the Turtles care about her, it only makes sense that they'd want her to be able to take care of and protect herself. But stuff like her kicking Karai's ass or having solo "ninja adventures" is a bit too far in my opinion.

I wouldn't excise her from any version of the TMNT canon, but I think at times a lot of writers can't resist the temptation to make her a bigger part of the story than she needs to or was ever intended to be.

PizzaPower1985 · 05-30-2020, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I think April is necessary in the way that, say, Lana Lang is to the Superman mythos. As in she has an important role in the larger story but the story isn't about her. She doesn't need to be a constant primary factor, and she shouldn't be the driving force of too many stories.

I actually don't have a big problem with the basic idea of her picking up some basic martial arts skills, either, as is sometimes portrayed, because a lot of friends who hang out often kind of absorb or at least show an interest in their friends' hobbies. And since the Turtles care about her, it only makes sense that they'd want her to be able to take care of and protect herself. But stuff like her kicking Karai's ass or having solo "ninja adventures" is a bit too far in my opinion.

I wouldn't excise her from any version of the TMNT canon, but I think at times a lot of writers can't resist the temptation to make her a bigger part of the story than she needs to or was ever intended to be.

I am in complete agreement with everything here. She can occasionally be further developed in her own plots or subplots but remains most effective as a supporting character.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-30-2020, 08:30 PM

I think the TMNT are best with a very small roster of supporting characters, mutants and humans alike.

I like my TMNT alone and isolated, with few social connections. Giving them a Rolodex full of backup and support makes them much less interesting.

*mikey0* · 05-30-2020, 09:27 PM

The basic versions of turtles and Shredder always outsold the other mutants and humans in the HW Bush era. April and the Foot Soldier were short-packed.

PizzaPower1985 · 05-31-2020, 04:32 AM

Echoing what CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy said...

I definitely agree that the TMNT shouldn't have too many supporting characters. Barring April/Casey/Splinter none are really essential. And the villain roster, well, Shredder should be #1 but it's nice when he's out of the picture too and the TMNT can just go up against different kinds of threats to make the stories more introspective and deep. In Mirage Vol.1, the best stories are the ones that explore character depth and don't have to just be about ninja action or crazy sci-fi adventure.

*Leo656* · 05-31-2020, 04:45 AM

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Echoing what CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy said...

It's okay to call him CKD. Bitch don't return calls any damn way.

Course, once you really get to know him, you find out that he likes his hair pulled during coitus and that his safety word is "banana." And by that point, you know a lot more than you wanted to in the first place.

But yeah, CKD is fine, you can call him that.

PizzaPower1985 · 05-31-2020, 04:52 AM

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It's okay to call him CKD. Bitch don't return calls any damn way.

Course, once you really get to know him, you find out that he likes his hair pulled during coitus and that his safety word is "banana." And by that point, you know a lot more than you wanted to in the first place.

But yeah, CKD is fine, you can call him that.

LOL. Okay... CKD it is. OMG. Haha!

*Wesley* · 05-31-2020, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

Echoing what CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy said...

I definitely agree that the TMNT shouldn't have too many supporting characters. Barring April/Casey/Splinter none are really essential. And the villain roster, well, Shredder should be #1 but it's nice when he's out of the picture too and the TMNT can just go up against different kinds of threats to make the stories more introspective and deep.

Agreed. Some of the best episodes in the 2003 series were standalones such as The King, April’s Artifact and The Darkness Within.

PizzaPower1985 · 05-31-2020, 12:22 PM

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Agreed. Some of the best episodes in the 2003 series were standalones such as The King, April’s Artifact and The Darkness Within.

And for a long time I was a defender of IDW TMNT as the best iteration, but the amount of supporting cast eventually weighed the entire run down. I still love IDW's run, I just think we could have gotten 100 issues with more introspection, far less characters and far less connected stories that bleed into each other. That's the way Mirage did it and the setup of Mirage was better. I'm leaving after I get the last part of City at War and read it.

*CyberCubed* · 05-31-2020, 12:53 PM

The problem with IDW currently is the side characters are more important than the TMNT and tend to get bigger character arcs. Whereas for the Turtles they repeat the same things we've seen a million times over (Leo and Raph get into an argument and Raph storms off solo, or Michelangelo doesn't like what they're doing and needs to be reassured by his brothers, or Donatello has some problem with technology or making something), and it's usually covered in a few issues time and then they go back to square one...then they repeat it about 20 issues later.

PizzaPower1985 · 05-31-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The problem with IDW currently is the side characters are more important than the TMNT and tend to get bigger character arcs. Whereas for the Turtles they repeat the same things we've seen a million times over (Leo and Raph get into an argument and Raph storms off solo, or Michelangelo doesn't like what they're doing and needs to be reassured by his brothers, or Donatello has some problem with technology or making something), and it's usually covered in a few issues time and then they go back to square one...then they repeat it about 20 issues later.

Hasn't this at least been true since after Shredder died? At least since Splinter took over the Foot Clan.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-31-2020, 03:34 PM

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LOL. Okay... CKD it is. OMG. Haha!

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Originally Posted by Leo656

It's okay to call him CKD. Bitch don't return calls any damn way.

Course, once you really get to know him, you find out that he likes his hair pulled during coitus and that his safety word is "banana." And by that point, you know a lot more than you wanted to in the first place.

But yeah, CKD is fine, you can call him that.

Dammit, I told you those things in confidence!!!

*Leo656* · 05-31-2020, 06:20 PM

TMZ ain't got nothin' on ya boy.

*mikey0* · 06-16-2020, 10:59 AM

All of the NECA Target 2 pack figures are poorly done.

Hamato Yoshi · 06-18-2020, 05:53 PM

If i could turn back time Id suggest movie 2 & 3 to be similar in tone to the first and not listen to parents complaining , besides theyd still have the OT for kids , win win for both kids and teens

Have Casey back kicking a** and perhaps the TMNT could discover Shredders roots in ancient Japan

*mikey0* · 06-18-2020, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamato Yoshi

If i could turn back time Id suggest movie 2 & 3 to be similar in tone to the first and not listen to parents complaining , besides theyd still have the OT for kids , win win for both kids and teens

Have Casey back kicking a** and perhaps the TMNT could discover Shredders roots in ancient Japan

Turtlemania 1990 was the best thing and worst thing to happen to the property. TMNT became an adolescent thing fast after the first movie came out.

PizzaPower1985 · 06-19-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hamato Yoshi

If i could turn back time Id suggest movie 2 & 3 to be similar in tone to the first and not listen to parents complaining , besides theyd still have the OT for kids , win win for both kids and teens

Have Casey back kicking a** and perhaps the TMNT could discover Shredders roots in ancient Japan

I LOVE the way you think.

*CyberCubed* · 06-19-2020, 03:53 PM

This might sound harsh in the midst of #BlackLivesMatter and the #Metoo movement, but I want April and Casey to be white and straight. Besides that Shredder, Karai and the majority of the Foot have always been Asian, so there isn't much ethnic diversity in TMNT.

They never had to shoehorn hispanic characters, black characters, gay/lesbian characters in classic TMNT stories. When we did have black characters like Baxter or Bebop, it was fine, it didn't feel, "forced." The mere fact that black Baxter is now the mainstream one over white Baxter from the original cartoon says enough.

Now it feels we have "forced diversity."

TMNT is an 80's property at heart, let's keep things how it was back then.

*neatoman* · 06-19-2020, 04:46 PM

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I want April and Casey to be white and straight.

*Leo656* · 06-19-2020, 04:51 PM

I mean, that's what they were created to be, so... it's pretty stupid that that would even be a "controversial opinion" in the first place.

05-30-2020, 06:49 PM	#241
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I think April is necessary in the way that, say, Lana Lang is to the Superman mythos. As in she has an important role in the larger story but the story isn't about her. She doesn't need to be a constant primary factor, and she shouldn't be the driving force of too many stories. I actually don't have a big problem with the basic idea of her picking up some basic martial arts skills, either, as is sometimes portrayed, because a lot of friends who hang out often kind of absorb or at least show an interest in their friends' hobbies. And since the Turtles care about her, it only makes sense that they'd want her to be able to take care of and protect herself. But stuff like her kicking Karai's ass or having solo "ninja adventures" is a bit too far in my opinion. I wouldn't excise her from any version of the TMNT canon, but I think at times a lot of writers can't resist the temptation to make her a bigger part of the story than she needs to or was ever intended to be. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

05-30-2020, 08:30 PM	#243
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	I think the TMNT are best with a very small roster of supporting characters, mutants and humans alike. I like my TMNT alone and isolated, with few social connections. Giving them a Rolodex full of backup and support makes them much less interesting. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

05-31-2020, 06:20 PM	#253
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	TMZ ain't got nothin' on ya boy. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

06-19-2020, 04:51 PM	#260
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I mean, that's what they were created to be, so... it's pretty stupid that that would even be a "controversial opinion" in the first place. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

05-30-2020, 09:27 PM	#244
mikey0 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,094	The basic versions of turtles and Shredder always outsold the other mutants and humans in the HW Bush era. April and the Foot Soldier were short-packed.

05-31-2020, 04:32 AM	#245
PizzaPower1985 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: United States Posts: 947	Echoing what CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy said... I definitely agree that the TMNT shouldn't have too many supporting characters. Barring April/Casey/Splinter none are really essential. And the villain roster, well, Shredder should be #1 but it's nice when he's out of the picture too and the TMNT can just go up against different kinds of threats to make the stories more introspective and deep. In Mirage Vol.1, the best stories are the ones that explore character depth and don't have to just be about ninja action or crazy sci-fi adventure.

05-31-2020, 12:53 PM	#250
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	The problem with IDW currently is the side characters are more important than the TMNT and tend to get bigger character arcs. Whereas for the Turtles they repeat the same things we've seen a million times over (Leo and Raph get into an argument and Raph storms off solo, or Michelangelo doesn't like what they're doing and needs to be reassured by his brothers, or Donatello has some problem with technology or making something), and it's usually covered in a few issues time and then they go back to square one...then they repeat it about 20 issues later.

06-16-2020, 10:59 AM	#254
mikey0 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,094	All of the NECA Target 2 pack figures are poorly done.

06-18-2020, 05:53 PM	#255
Hamato Yoshi Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 926	If i could turn back time Id suggest movie 2 & 3 to be similar in tone to the first and not listen to parents complaining , besides theyd still have the OT for kids , win win for both kids and teens Have Casey back kicking a** and perhaps the TMNT could discover Shredders roots in ancient Japan

06-19-2020, 03:53 PM	#258
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	This might sound harsh in the midst of #BlackLivesMatter and the #Metoo movement, but I want April and Casey to be white and straight. Besides that Shredder, Karai and the majority of the Foot have always been Asian, so there isn't much ethnic diversity in TMNT. They never had to shoehorn hispanic characters, black characters, gay/lesbian characters in classic TMNT stories. When we did have black characters like Baxter or Bebop, it was fine, it didn't feel, "forced." The mere fact that black Baxter is now the mainstream one over white Baxter from the original cartoon says enough. Now it feels we have "forced diversity." TMNT is an 80's property at heart, let's keep things how it was back then.