10-23-2020, 12:17 PM | #21 |
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I'm a positive kind of person for this stuff and I was getting used to how good it was before #100. It's not only on this forum, but a lot of other people though it was getting boring, even on facebook.
You can build up a story to something bigger, but not to the detriment of making it more boring. How can you keep your sells like that? "Ho yeah it's 10 really slow moving issues, but dont worry! It's gonna pay off in the end! Keep buying!" Really? |
10-23-2020, 12:27 PM | #22 | |
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(Well, not really 'cause they both turned out alive, but you get my point.) These things have a rhythm. An ebb and a flow. It's like breathing. What happens if you're constantly exhaling and never remember to inhale? You'll die. Same goes for a story. Patience, middle-aged grasshoppers. |
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10-23-2020, 12:30 PM | #23 |
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Pacing is the last thing anyone's concerned about. People literally begged for a downtime arc, myself included. After all the "negativity", how is that your takeaway?
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10-23-2020, 12:40 PM | #24 |
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The "OK Boomer" sh*t from the "positive" people doesn't make me wanna take anything they say seriously in the least, either.
C'mon.
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10-23-2020, 12:47 PM | #26 | |
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And then again that's not true. A lot of iterations got to a post-shredder/krang world. That's usually where it ended. Maybe because what they did after was not good enough? I'unno. Edit: Mirage was a post-Shredder since the first issue so scratch that. |
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10-23-2020, 12:48 PM | #27 |
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I do like the idea of mutant town in theory but all the humans adjusted to their life as animal people far too quickly. Probably would have been better to make it a no-mans land kind of thing where everyone was fighting for survival with Old Hob and other gangs fighting all the time
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10-23-2020, 12:54 PM | #30 |
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The biggest problem I see here is that fans seem to want TMNT to be exactly what it's been for most of its existence. When it leans into something that isn't action or heavy plot focus there's a lot of weird complaining about shippers, sjws, tumblr, deviantart, furries etc.
Feels like I took a portal back to 2016. really empty sounding complaints that boil down to tired buzzwords. Just because the comic has turned to focusing on slower character beats overall doesn't mean it's done being action oriented entirely. We know Sophie's run is going to end eventually and whether or not her style is your thing, there are people who will enjoy it. Not saying you have to like it, but as a relative outsider, joining this community seems like a chore. I'm sure many new fans have peeked in here and left asap. Much of the criticism here seems more vitriolic than constructive. |
10-23-2020, 01:08 PM | #31 | |
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I just want my Ninja turtles to do ninja stuff with a good plot. That's not what I was getting lately. It's like, using Batman, but instead of him doing detective stuff and beating bad guys with a good plot, it's every members of the stupid bat familly talking about their feelings... oh wait. |
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10-23-2020, 01:17 PM | #32 | |
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10-23-2020, 01:26 PM | #33 |
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I'm sorry. Given the general tone of discourse around here I'm always forced to assume the median age of the forum is about 17. Y'know, given how "mature" people often are about their difference of opinion and whatnot.
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10-23-2020, 01:29 PM | #34 |
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Now issue # 113 sounds to be most interesting so far since # 100. We have Oroku Saki, time travel (hope to see the big bosomed wonder again), a fresh take on the newly established by Sophie characters and two additional hench mutants for Karai. I hope for either Tokka & Rahzar, or Fishface & Rahzar - anyway Rahzar should be finally in!
I'll love to see more art of Sophie! I remember this from a while ago. Hope they'll make it finally into the IDW universe! PS: Tokka could be one of the surviving Slash clones |
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You know what would be cool? If Tokka were another clone of Slash and Rahzar were a clone of Splinter. I find it hard to believe Bishop didn't get his hands on Splinter's DNA through some sort of trickery. |
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10-23-2020, 03:02 PM | #36 |
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Almost literally every professional artist for the last 10 years have DeviantArt accounts. YOU have a DeviantArt account. How is this supposed to be an insult?
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10-23-2020, 03:46 PM | #37 |
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Deviantart is for chumps. Get a furaffinity already
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I love "taking a breather" in comics & other works of media, especially with TMNT. Standalone stories that are introspective & character driven are the very foundation of TMNT, as they were Mirage's greatest strength & what makes the characters so relatable. But back then, the themes surrounding their age & identity were more broad, & poignant, whereas now it's channeled through petty interpersonal beefs, hitting the city for punk shows, falling for college girls, etc. That's not the "teen" part anyone should ever hone in on. The Mirage turtles ate hummus pockets, walked around in the nude, & were cooler than cool without having to fit anyone's mold. Now, with the outfits, motorcycle bullies, heart-throbs, it's trying a bit too hard, & feels like a John Hughes movie, with the heavy handed self-discovery & smoochy stuff. It's very self indulgent in that it feels like Campbell's idealization rather than what the organic direction was or would have otherwise been. As a fan work, I'd be all for it, but not as the continuation of this series, whose identity was, as far as I'm concerned, very different from where we are now. I'm a big fan of Sophie's art work, always have been, but I think their creative control on a whole is a bit too much. I can't see much of what once was, in this, anymore. From what I've seen of other series' she worked on, it's a pattern. Maybe I'm wrong. I've probably been or will be unintentionally disrespectful along the way, & if I've offended her in the process, I'm sorry. She knows I've long been a supporter, we used to chit-chat a bit, & I even made my own cringey fan comic years ago directly inspired by her style & Northampton arc. It's just tough to feel a complete disconnect with something I've held dear, knowing that if I voice my opinion, not only will the official staff see it & feel contempt, but that my view points will also be seen as baseless "negativity" & thrown in the bin as some kind of alt-right derivative. That goes for anything, nowadays, I guess. As for a more general, bullet-point style breakdown of what puts me off, here goes: -Radical design changes -Tons of OC's out of no-where -Too much importance assigned to said OC's -For example adding ANOTHER new, female turtle, who is apparently now about to be some sort of bad-ass time traveling savior, going by January solicits -Melodramatic, drawn out dialogue -Lots & lots of crying -Most of the cast getting paired up with a love interest (shipping) -Overall very soft & "furry" feel -Emphasis on female empowerment -Goth concert shenanigans -Too many mutants, taking away what makes the TMNT unique (this was already a problem but now it's ridiculous) -Issues that low-key parallel the modern American social/political climate (would rather escape this stuff than be reminded) -TMNT going about in 'public', leading 'normal' lives Quote:
Generally speaking, I prefer self-containment over serialization, hangouts over action, so the shift from action to character building doesn't bother me at all. It's a TMNT mainstay, everyone knows that. Other than one guy, I've not really seen people make a fuss about the lack of "ninja stuff" but rather the same things I'm bugged by. Complaints about fan-work tropes & brush-ups with identity politics have never really come up until this arc, don't act like that's a recurring theme when the combat stops. It's people like you, saying that any opinion you deem unkind is purely 'buzzwords' or 'vitriolic' or when it isn't, that prompts actual vitriol to come out, though I think even the harshest opinions have thus far been presented civilly, barring the exception of TommyT, who was banned months ago. Also, I find it really interesting that you roll your eyes at us & dismiss these viewpoints when you haven't touched the book in Heaven knows how long & lack the proper context. Plus, you're not without bias, as you yourself are a self-confessed furry. Quote:
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10-23-2020, 06:01 PM | #39 |
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Woah wall of text there buddy. I actually have been fine with how you've personally voiced criticism in the past.
Some users have been vitriolic and throwing around tired buzzwords but I didn't get that vibe from you so sorry if you feel personally attacked. |
10-23-2020, 06:16 PM | #40 |
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Fair points, all of them. I respect your perspective and don't think you're coming across as unpolite or disrespectful (frankly, I don't think any of us who've engaged in this discussion today are), but that's just my perspective. Others might feel different. I even agree with one or two of the issues you pointed out, if I'm being honest. I just want to point out one inconsistency: you can't say you preferred the organic approach to things from the first 100 issues and then turn around and criticize the sudden swell in the number of mutant characters, because this was always the most organic development of all. We knew Hob wanted an army. We saw him amassing mutagen. We saw the bomb go off before #100. The fact that Mutant Town has spun out of his control - if it ever was in his control - is beside that particular point. That and the Turtles going out in "public", living "normal" lives, came about completely organically.
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