12-17-2017, 06:59 PM | #801 |
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Andy Serkis thinks he knows a lot more than Andy Serkis knows.
I was thinking about the movie on the weekend. Spoiler:
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You don't wipe something to make something that is the same if not worse. If George hadn't sold Star Wars he would've made the Sequel Trilogy he would've wanted without giving two sh-ts about the EU and the EU would've scrambled and fixed any inconsistencies with some convoluted explanation even if it meant writing a book retconning a bunch of characters DC/Marvel style. Quote:
I don't see what risks the movie took or how much it "changed", at least to me specifically what I don't like is how safe it is and how it doesn't take any risks. I already mentioned my favorite part was when things seemed to be taking a turn towards something different but the movie ends with Rebels vs Empire just like the OT was and TFA set up. Also, I apologize if I spoiled anything accidentally since you haven't seen it. But maybe because you've read so much stuff you'll end up liking it more like Andrew did. Quote:
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Protecting what you like is not a complex. As with everything it depends on a level of dedication, of course. If someone ready to start a campaign to downvote or upvote movie - that's going overboard. When you just do not want people mindlessly bash what you like - this has nothing to do with complexes. I am just saying that there are bunch of people who might not have invested a lot of interest in franchise and for them it's just one of the many distractions. And when the new episode comes out, they act like they are "specialists" in Star Wars anything and dismiss any questions and criticism from old fans of the series as "useless rambling". Even if there are fanboys who hate everything new, because it ruins their perceptions of the series, it doesn't mean that all of them obsessed like or that all of them can't make a legitimate complaint. And as I have seen, quite a lot of people complain about this movie, not in terms of "they changed - now it sucks", to just dismiss it as "few nerds are angry at something again". It's not about complexes - it's about respect. And making it look like it's about complexes makes it look like everyone who dare to have strong opinion about something they like, are sick, which is, once again, needlessly dismissive. Quote:
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Fanboish blind worship - is another beast all together. It goes beyond "just having differences" into territory "if you don't think like me - than you a worse human being". I was browsing Internet for the last decade and might say, I didn't see such level of vitriol in discussions before. You might say that everyone were always fanboys on the inside, a notion that I find rather dismissive and needlessly all-encompassing, but I am pretty sure that before the last few years people were capable of having conversations without instantly tuning out everyone who are disagree with them. Also, I would say, if Internet was really like a big room for everyone, then there would be less zealotry. The problem is that Internet is divided to many rooms and social networks give people opportunity to create their own hugboxes, where they are completely isolated from challenging opinions. So, when they leave them and step into "bigger world", they so thoroughly soaked in rhetoric "only my opinion is worthy, everyone else are stupid". And now, those people from social network hugboxes trying to instill the same level of discussion on forums and other non-isolated platforms, which is not exactly a good thing for everyone involved. Quote:
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Bobby Moynihan from SNL join the Jedi Council to do a review of The Last Jedi.
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12-18-2017, 01:01 AM | #806 |
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Why do those thumbnails always make me want to slap the person in them? I’ve never been to a YouTube SEO seminar; are people more likely to click on your video if you look like a dipsh*t?
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I personally only start to ignore someone for a few reasons - they become needlessly combative or insulting to the point where you can set your watch to it. -their opinion feels like it was cut and pasted from a past opinion and doesn't make all that much sense each time it's posted. -they just plain act like a jerk and don't respect what you write.. going back to point one. I first noticed this behavior start in facebook groups, then it spread fast to message boards like a disease, and now it's everywhere. |
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Fandom toxicity has been discussed to death in this and other threads around the forum. We get it--people are assholes sometimes. Constantly pointing it out over and over again doesn't make you any more enlightened, or excuse your own negative behavior.
Regarding Star Wars, I am also pressed to wonder if what we have right now is any better than the old EU, or even if the old stuff was worth destroying for this. I have to say that I have consistently enjoyed new characters like Doctor Aphra and Kanan, especially within their respective comics. I don't think the Rebels cartoon is as good as Clone Wars, but sometimes it has some of the same compelling moral ambiguity as its predecessor. It's nice that they brought back Billy Dee Williams and James Earl Jones as Lando Calrissian and Darth Vader respectively, and the new cast has grown on me (yes, even Ezra). Also, I think the Vader/Ahsoka battle at the end of season 2 is as good as anything we've ever gotten from SW, in the movies or the supplemental material. The real question, IMHO, is whether the movies will always have to be dumbed down for the masses while also keeping that primary status in the canon. There were clear narrative risks TLJ could have taken in terms of the Rey/Kylo arc, but they didn't. I think TLJ as a whole is like a "one step forward, two steps back" situation. It raises some fascinating questions about what you think you know about Luke and some of the older characters, but it also ruins them in a way while sidelining the new cast members you're supposed to now care about (in this case, Poe and Finn). Also, I don't think Rey has had any real development other than the stuff she can do with the Force. Is there any tension now for IX? Does anybody really think she won't beat Kylo Ren in the final battle? Even if the sequel trilogy ends up mediocre as a whole, I think it can be "fixed" in the way Clone Wars and the newer comics (specifically, both volumes of the Darth Vader series) improved on and expanded the prequels.
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it's not better than the old EU.
they just cherry picked what they liked, and switched around the details. for example, there was NO reason to name hans son BEN. That was Luke's son in the books, where the name made far more sense. but, this vaunted story group claims they can't use anything that's been done before, so they couldn't very well call hans son jacen....that would just be re using ideas, would it not? smh. Instead of Chewie dying, han dies this time around. Instead of Jaina, we get Rey who will most likely have to battle kylo/jacen/ben and slay him in the end. just like the books. Jacen kills Mara in the EU. here Ben Kills han....and.. Luke and ben go on a journey to discover things about the force. Luke self exiles himself to an island and cuts himself off from the force.. same details, just switched around a bit for the general audience that doesn't read the books. |
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Ehhhh... Ben was kind of the one responsible for everyone meeting. Without Ben, Leia wouldnt have sent R2 to Tattooine, which lead to Luke meeting Obiwan, which in turn lead to Obiwan taking Luke to Mos Eisley where they met Han.
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12-18-2017, 09:59 AM | #812 |
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Director Rian Johnson Explains The Thinking Behind One Of The Movie's Biggest Twists
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12-18-2017, 10:13 AM | #813 |
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I disagree, if you scrap the old EU I would expect the new stories to be influenced by the very best of the EU and ignoring the things that didn't work.
The problem is 30 years in the future the EU had already moved past the Empire vs Rebels, the remnants of the Empire was only a few years more after ROTJ then they moved on to other things for the most part. Here I don't see them taking too many ideas from the old EU, let's face it Han/Leia having a kid and turning to the dark side is not the most original idea so I doubt they took those from the EU, they likely just came up with them themselves. But yeah the ideas they have taken and making them worse when you already have a template of what worked is dumb, why scrap something to make a less interesting yet still messy EU? Kylo being named Ben is not very logical, only Luke really knew him as Ben, to Leia he was Obi Wan. I mean it's not a detail I care too much about or that it bothers me but yeah I wouldn't say it was logical. |
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I never understood how Clone Wars "fixed" the prequels or made them better. I watched all of Clone Wars and it's fine, I like it for what it is, a Star Wars spin-off.
It didn't make Anakin's turn in Episode III feel any less random. It still treated Yoda like a jumping madman which I hated. It didn't make Boba Fett the badass he seemed to be in the OT, though I'll give them that they tried with him. It made Count Dooku and Grievous bigger fools because of villain decay. Obi Wan's friendship with Anakin didn't feel any better. I actually prefer the first season's anthology take on the Clone Wars and we would see how different battles affected what. When the show became more serialized it was less about the Clone Wars conflict and more about the characters, which I know is what people liked about the show but that was not what the show was about, I wanted a show about the different issues of the Clone Wars which at first the show did try to cover. To me the show still has many of the faults of the Prequel Trilogy like making Jedis be superheroes, dialog isn't great and overall ignoring established things. I still enjoyed it as I mentioned but it's not a perfect show. Rebels has similar but also different problems, but i'm forgiving of them since they're not the main movies just like I"m more forgiving for comics/video games and othe EU content. |
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Where the hell to begin on this?
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