Season 5 Discussion Thread

[asfaloth12]

*throws a bag of popcorn into the microwave*

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

No, you just didn't like it. Sometimes fiction has contradictions and plot holes. Doesn't negate its belonging to a larger body of work.

*gasp* How dare I not like it? The heresy!! Oh, what a world! Just because it was poorly written, with severely OOC moments, and disposed of the female characters like trash....what's not to love?
This wasn't a simple plot hole. This was a massive plot abyss into which the story collapses and falls screaming to its inevitable doom.

Jesus Christ. What a motherf*cking idiot. First of all, I said it was an arbitrary example, I knew it wasn't a perfect example.

Secondly... false equivalence? How about that retarded Tolkein example? Ciro was hired to create a new universe based on existing characters, not try to fit something into an existing fictional universe

Wow. This fool is really hung up on the legal aspect of this and has no respect for the creative side of things.

I don't give a sh*t what Peter said, as he's been wrong about stuff in the past. And the Mirage universe was so flexible anyways. But if the owner of any intellectual property says something demonstrably wrong, why would you side with them over the actual creator of the story? Stupid.

I'm also floored by their brain dead Star Wars comparisons. Seriously? There's countless contradictions between the PT and the OT alone.

This is something that should have addressed months ago, but work interfered. Better late than never. So, here it goes:
Nice. Insults, including ableist slurs. Creative side of things? There was no creativity involved in that special. It was nothing more than a lame attempt to prevent people from messing with this version of TMNT in the future. Also, Ciro is not the creator of TMNT. He is a showrunner/executive producer.
You owe EA Solinas an apology. But, I have little faith that one will be offered; her arguments really got under your skin, it seems. I think she won that argument quite handily.

I will. Enjoy your stupid scene of FW Bebop dancing as the final moment of this great show.

Actually, I think I view End Times as the final episode of the main storyline. That said, I don't know what I'll end my re-watch on. Perhaps "When Worlds Collide". Since production order doesn't matter...
However, I would gladly take a scene of Bebop dancing a thousand times, over a misogynistic, plot hole-riddled Fury Road knock-off featuring the Bearded!Raph, as well Nipplehead (aka, an extremely OOC version of Leo) driving around a wasteland acting like an idiot
Granted, the photo at the end was very moving. It felt tacked on as hell, but still very sweet.

Watching the turtle’s reaction to the ending of Cognard in ‘Dinosaur Seen In Sewer!’ makes me appreciate the shows final episode so much more lmao. Definitely the crew’s prediction as to how people would react to the ending lol.

In fairness, the initial reactions calmed down once people started pointing out the contradictions and heard that it's not officially considered "canon" by Nick. Then, most of those fans happily accepted it as an AU. Interestingly, the biggest tantrums actually ended up coming from certain fans of the special, in response to other fans pointing out the flaws or plot holes....or *gasp* daring to treat it an as AU or non-canon.

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Oh man...Mutant Apocalypse. What a messed up way to end the series.

Its so sad! Like..is it reeeaallly canon?

Even if it is, I guess I can accept it. Sort of. At least the brothers are still together.

It's a cartoon. It's not real. You can imagine it ends however you want.

As to whether it's canon.....*hears howling in the distance* Aw, hell. This should be fun.
Officially? According to Nickelodeon? No. https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/9123...54814402744322

Logically? No. It has fairly massive plot holes surrounding Renet and the future she comes from (see the episode "Turtles in Time" from Season 3). Then, you have a Mutagen bomb coming out of nowhere despite the destruction/defeat of the Kraang.

According to the showrunners? It depends. Ciro Nieli wanted it to be. For pretty lame reasons. Brandon Auman more recently said it's up to audience interpretation. https://twitter.com/auman_brandon/st...29834192502784

Conclusion: Once again, it's completely up to you. I happily take the AU interpretation. My headcanon? Raph wrote a self-insert fanfiction after a Mad Max marathon. Leo did not appreciate the accompanying fanart. You do what's right for you
For the millionth time, if people want to see the Mutant Apocalypse special as the "true ending", that's fine....as long as they respect other fans who prefer the AU interpretation.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

i'm really glad he's not. sounds like more stupid monster/horror fan fiction. this time a blob tribute. i can see why nick decided to pass.

Agreed. It sounds painfully bad (and I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed the first half of season 3). I'm seriously wondering if Ciro was losing it at the end.

**microwave beeps** **takes out the popcorn and starts munching**

[Powder]

Who doesn't love a beaten dead horse?

[CyberCubed]

Did this guy really just respond to 6-8 month old posts?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He was using Internet Explorer.

[Redworld96]

Did you guys saw the last IG stories of Greg Cipes? He was at the Nickelodeon studio with Ciro Nieli and showing some things of what I think is the upcoming ArtBook of the show. Oh I really want to see more of that.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Did you guys saw the last IG stories of Greg Cipes? He was at the Nickelodeon studio with Ciro Nieli and showing some things of what I think is the upcoming ArtBook of the show. Oh I really want to see more of that.

I plan to buy that, October was the planned release for that, not sure it's it's still on schedule.

[asfaloth12]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Did you guys saw the last IG stories of Greg Cipes? He was at the Nickelodeon studio with Ciro Nieli and showing some things of what I think is the upcoming ArtBook of the show. Oh I really want to see more of that.

No, I did not. I would love to see more as well; the art and design in this show was amazing. I wonder when they will actually release the book.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

He was using Internet Explorer.

Meh. I won't judge him. Personally, I prefer Firefox. It's faster, and it's got better features. Plus, the name is way cooler.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Did this guy really just respond to 6-8 month old posts?

She totally did!
Now, I actually thought about waiting a full year. Even longer would have been awesome, but I got impatient. I knew there was a reason I enjoy playing as a Necromancer in Diablo III.
(Judging by your response, I'm going to assume that you don't have any good counter-arguments. I'm not surprised; nobody on this site or elsewhere has been able to successfully explain away the canon contradictions in that special).

Originally Posted by Powder

Who doesn't love a beaten dead horse?

....*slowly backs away* Well....that's not creepy at all. Do I need to call the Humane Society or something?
(On a more serious note, would that be the same "dead horse" you were beating just a few comments before mine? ....That's what I thought. And once again, no good counter-arguments to the points I made. Surprise, surprise )



Edit: I can't believe it's been nearly a year since this series ended. I'm grateful that the main story line had a satisfying conclusion with Owari (though I suppose End Times works as well). In addition, I'm grateful that it had a fun crossover for the official series finale, instead of the AU dumpster fire we almost got stuck with

[ABrown]

Well. We did it. We successfully went the entire month of October 2021 without a single post in this forum. Anyone watch the Savanti arc last month for Halloween? I found it to be one of the most enjoyable story arcs of the series.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ABrown

Well. We did it. We successfully went the entire month of October 2021 without a single post in this forum.

Ah yes. Remember when there were people who tried to claim this show was somehow more noteworthy or worthwhile than the 4Kids because there was active discussion about it? And that it somehow meant the 4Kids show was totally forgotten about and this one had a long future ahead of it in the mind of pop culture? Even though an ongoing show is more likely to be discussed than one that ended three years prior by default.

And here we are, four years after it ended and Nickelodeon are already doing weird **** like pretend the Fred Wolf cartoon was ever part of their line-up. Meanwhile, we are barely even discussing this show at all, despite the actual latest show failing to interest most of us. Curious, ain't it?

[Leo656]

It's a pattern we've seen repeat and will continue to repeat. The second that any TMNT show ends, so does its cultural relevance. No TMNT cartoon will ever again have a "long future ahead of it in the mind of pop culture". The minute the shows end, so will the discussion surrounding them. There's never, ever again going to be a show that comes anywhere near the impact of the FW cartoon. For better or worse, that's just the way it is. 4Kids has been forgotten, the Nick show is quickly being forgotten, Rise was forgotten before it was even over... it's going to be the same thing forevermore.

TMNT isn't actually popular, and hasn't been since it ended the first time out. It's going to die with the generation of people who were kids in 1989. I can't see why some people fail to recognize and understand that. I get wanting to see something you like be "evergreen" but that simply isn't possible. It was only ever a fad that lasted longer than most fads do, to begin with. The time between a TMNT cartoon ending and it being completely forgotten about has gotten shorter and shorter with every reboot. Goes to show you how much people "really" care about the property.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Ah yes. Remember when there were people who tried to claim this show was somehow more noteworthy or worthwhile than the 4Kids because there was active discussion about it? And that it somehow meant the 4Kids show was totally forgotten about and this one had a long future ahead of it in the mind of pop culture? Even though an ongoing show is more likely to be discussed than one that ended three years prior by default.

And here we are, four years after it ended and Nickelodeon are already doing weird **** like pretend the Fred Wolf cartoon was ever part of their line-up. Meanwhile, we are barely even discussing this show at all, despite the actual latest show failing to interest most of us. Curious, ain't it?

To be fair it's only because this forums as a whole (the entire drome) is dead nowadays. Most people left the forums, younger TMNT fans are on social media and don't come here.

In the early 2000's this forum was heavily active, and those who followed the Nick cartoon when it aired moved on after the show ended. You can't really blame the lack of activity here on the show, every TMNT section has been on life-support here.

[ABrown]

And apparently it was four years ago today that the final episode aired (https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/1459148729953525787).

[Prototype]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

To be fair it's only because this forums as a whole (the entire drome) is dead nowadays. Most people left the forums, younger TMNT fans are on social media and don't come here.

In the early 2000's this forum was heavily active, and those who followed the Nick cartoon when it aired moved on after the show ended. You can't really blame the lack of activity here on the show, every TMNT section has been on life-support here.

Let's be honest, all but the very largest forums are either deserted or completely gone.

When you do find useful information about something on a forum nowadays, it's like a forgotten time-capsule, with most if not all images being dead links.


That's me, basically. (Consider this post an intradimensional drop-by)

Even as a kid in the early 90's I felt embarrassed watching goofball-cringefest-pizzaparty-duuuude.

Second incarnation was same old cringefest, trying to be less goofy and cooler, fit for the 2000's, with a 'cool' modernized style.

2012 Was the only incarnation that took itself and the characters seriously, and did it damn good too!
This series also had the best toy line thus far, with a diverse assortment of well articulated figures of good quality, lots of vehicles and and a comparatively epic playset.

Rise, or whatever the next one is called is just a generic modern toddler cartoon (lack of background details, thick outlines, bright colors à la Fairly Odd Parents and Ben 10 (2016) etc.).

"The drome can be destroyed for all I care — I HAVE FINALLY WON!"