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Old 07-30-2017, 02:48 PM   #21
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I felt the same way. So much more interesting stuff in Usagi's world that could have been explored. Also the story structure and pacing was pretty weird.



At least they did a good job selling the fact that Leo believed it. No generic "this can't be happeningggggg!"



Preach brother. Leo/Usagi is always based around "we have swords and honor and fight battles together, we're such tight bros". Now we finally have a crossover where Splinter was slain by Shredder, similar to how Usagi has lost both his father and his master. Doesn't seem like they're going to touch on that.



It was a better design than Spiderbytez lol. And they referenced the Spider Witch from Ghostbusters, so that was cool.

But yeah, next week looks great. It will be bittersweet though, since this will be the last time, chronologically, that we see the guys as teenagers.
The last time we see them as teenagers? Where did you find this out? If so that's pretty cool
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:55 PM   #22
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The last time we see them as teenagers? Where did you find this out? If so that's pretty cool
The stories are out of order so this story arc is meant to air just before the future arc which is the last story. It's been confirmed that it takes places 50 years in the future so the Turtles will be near 70 years old but the Turtles might age slower so they will look they are in there 30s to 40s.
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:55 PM   #23
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The last time we see them as teenagers? Where did you find this out? If so that's pretty cool
So there's still like 7 episodes that haven't aired but were produced before the Usagi stuff (plus the Lone Splinter and Cubs flashback), but the final 3 episodes take place about 50 years in the future. Gonna be something of a Mad Max homage.
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:56 PM   #24
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It was a better design than Spiderbytez lol. And they referenced the Spider Witch from Ghostbusters, so that was cool.
I thought they copied one of the shots from the Game almost Exactly. but it's been a while since I played it. but that is exactly what the spider character reminded me of..
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:56 PM   #25
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This ep was a bit intense. The spiders freaked me out and I loved the LOTR and Bugs Bunny references. The fight with Jei was intense and even though I knew the guys weren't really dead, it still was emotional what with Leo crying and all. Overall, a decent episode for the most part though I definitely will be waiting for part three.
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:58 PM   #26
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Leo vs. Jei was hands down the best part of this episode.
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Old 07-30-2017, 04:03 PM   #27
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Oddly not much Usagi in this episode. Then I saw the ep was written by Brandon Auman, so the horror aspect and Leonardo being focused on while all the Turtles got defeated made sense. Almost all of his episodes play out the exact same way.

Still the episode had some great moments. The whole Spiderwoman scenes were well done, as well as the final Jei fight even if it was dream.

We only get one more Usagi ep after this, which is why I wish we saw more of him here. If not for that then the ep would be fine.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:46 PM   #28
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I just saw the episode, and I enjoyed it overall.

Although I thought the first episode was done much better (it was written by Usagi's creator after all), this episode was still good overall, but not great in my opinion. I rate it 7.5/10 while the first Usagi episode is a solid 10/10.

I liked the episode's focus on expanding Usagi's world by showing the racoons/spiders and little moments like Usagi/Kintaro bowing down to a shrine but the turtles not created a nice contrast. The fight scenes were also done well and I especially liked the dream sequence at the end which prevented the episode from being complete filler.

on the negatives though, I didn't like the episode not advancing the story much beside building up how powerful Gei was and I thought some of the turtles' behaviour (although necessary to advance the plot) wasn't the best thing to see, especially Leo who I thought would be much more mature now as the sensei.

I felt like this episode didn't advance the story in Usagi's world much because it tried to slow down and let audience know more about his world. The first episode is the introduction, this episode is the expansion and the third will be the epic finale that wrap things up.

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Old 07-30-2017, 06:19 PM   #29
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much beside building up how powerful Gei was.
His name is Jei, not Gei. Just a quick correction.
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Old 07-31-2017, 03:41 AM   #30
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The stories are out of order so this story arc is meant to air just before the future arc which is the last story. It's been confirmed that it takes places 50 years in the future so the Turtles will be near 70 years old but the Turtles might age slower so they will look they are in there 30s to 40s.

Archie influence? Archie is the only other medium where they live a long time but age extremely slowly. April's grand-daughter is Leonardo's student in the Cyber-Samurai arc but the turtles hardly look older considering so much time has gone by.
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Old 07-31-2017, 03:47 AM   #31
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They age at roughly the same rate in Mirage.
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My Tivo recorded the episode, I will watch it when I have the chance.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:31 AM   #33
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Needed Sasuke to drive Usagi to true suffering
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Old 07-31-2017, 01:20 PM   #34
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Old 07-31-2017, 02:00 PM   #35
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You know its actually amazing how the quality dropped between episodes, we go from what was basically an Akira Kurosawa film with anthropomorphic animals to an unfunny episode about Yokai with dumb horror elements. The sad part is that we could gotten some decent interaction between the turtles and Miyamoto but instead we get a reminder that Leo has bad pattern recognition.
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Old 07-31-2017, 02:05 PM   #36
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pretty much it. if this creative team does not create some new exclusive horror series, i'd be shocked. seems like they'd much rather be working on that.

there is way too much of it where it doesn't really belong in this show.
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Old 07-31-2017, 05:54 PM   #37
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I didn't like Leo's arrogance. He wanted to act like a super hero, instead of listening to Usagi. At least he realized his mistake in the end. I imagine he's still adjusting to being the new sensei. Plus, the dream Jei put them through was fairly intense.
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:05 PM   #38
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This episode is a shining example in why I don't like Auman's writing. There's a lot of good stuff in this episode, but there are plenty of awkward bits of dialogue and a couple things that definitely could have been handled better that keep showing up. It all balances out, and it makes for an episode I feel overall indifferent toward. I guess that's better than an episode I really don't like, because like I said, there is some good stuff in this ep. But this also makes it a bit more difficult to talk about. So, I'm just going to talk about my favorite and least favorite parts of the episode, nothing in between.

I loved the yokai, particularly the tanooki. I thought it was a nice twist at the end of the episode to have the tanooki save Usagi and the Turtles, something I legitimately did not see coming. It was fun to watch them all in action, there was some great off-putting motion in their movements, they were just a lot of fun to see.

For a bit, I liked Leo's dream sequence. But then the point of the scene came across and I thought "really? We're doing this again?" Other than Leo putting up a bit more of a fight, there wasn't much of a difference between this and Splinter's dream sequence in Panic in the Sewers, an episode that aired five years ago. The fear is that typical "oh no the villain is too powerful for us to handle" stuff we've already seen handled much better previously in the series. If the show was more intelligent than it is, I would've said the similarities in the dream sequences would have signified Leo's new role as sensei. Only, that's proving to not be an overarching theme in this season in general, so that's out. Strangely, they bark up a better tree when Jei told Leo that he senses the evil inside him. It could've been an interesting delve into Leo's morality if the dream went on with Leo killing Jei, creating internal conflict, but despite the tone of the dream, this never happened, and that bit of dialogue comes off as completely awkward, unneeded, and out of nowhere. Much like many bits of dialogue in the ep. Not most, but many.

Overall, I'm indifferent toward the episode. I'm in no hurry to see it again unlike last week's stellar "Yojimbo," but it's no Heart of Evil. The good stuff is still pretty good, and it being a Usagi episode is always a plus. There's just some awkward dumb moments here and there, the typical Auman shtick.
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:21 PM   #39
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Yeah, I don't know why Auman writes Leonardo like this. The same thing was obvious in the Season 1 and 2 finale's where Leonardo kept risking his life while leaving the other Turtles behind. The same thing happened in one of the space episodes (or was it the Season 3 finale?), where Leonardo rushed out of nowhere to pilot a ship into space to attack the Triceraton warship and just got himself nearly blown up and killed.

Once you see some of Auman's episodes they all play out rather similarly. I don't get it.
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:25 PM   #40
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Perhaps Sakai will write the final Usagi episode. That way, It could end with a bang.
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