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I think you need to revise your understanding of American History, if you honestly believe that terrorism wasn't an issue during previous immigrant waves.
Fear and threat of terrorism had been used against immigrant classes since the very beginning. This is no different. And zapp's opinion on religion? Used to be leveled Catholics. We've had exactly one Catholic President for pretty much all of the same reasons he says we should be afraid of Islam. None of these arguments are new, they are just as short-sighted and ill-informed now as they were the last time they were trotted out.
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I don't remember hearing about terrorism being a big issue back in the day. Maybe they did think of terrorism back then, but it's more prevalent now that these people who come over here are not all good people and some of them are radical terrorists. But, hey, we should just accept everybody with open arms and then let them kill us, right? Great logic right there, but this doesn't surprise me from someone who thinks incest is perfectly natural and should be accepted in society.
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Terrorism, in the definition we know today, was not considered a threat during the first immigrant waves. Not sure where you heard that.
The discrimination came mostly from citizens who thought the catholics/irish/jews would disrupt the values that were already in place. Everyone forgets that the German and Dutch immigrants that came 30 years or so before the second wave actually settled quite nicely. |
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So many Americans claim German ancestry but it seems Americans of Irish and Italian ancestry have been able to flaunt and keep their culture more alive. |
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Man, I don't think I'd ever want to work in a skyscraper, at least not in the top floors. If you work above the 50th floor and there is a fire or something and you gotta evacuate it must be very hard, since you're not supposed to use the elevators when there's a fire. Not to mention the people who were above the impact zone in those towers pretty much had no chance of getting out of there. And if any did, not many have been saved, I bet.
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The biggest wave of Italian immigrants came at the turn of the 20th century, when Italy was just unifying and Italian wasn't quite standardized yet. But there were big issues with the Italian Anarchist movement, and regular Italians being equated with mobsters. The great Molasses Flood, caused by incompetence, was blamed on Italian anarchists. And this doesn't go anywhere near the prejudice and bigotry of Chinese Exclusion Act, or the Japanese concentration camps of WWII.
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Library of Congress says late 19th, so I went with that.
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And when they got here they were often accused of Anarchy by virtue of being Italian, and weren't considered white on the US Census. A fact that every Italian American organization I've witnessed has very loudly mentioned, right along with the fact that they were discouraged from speaking their own language. And then in the next breath the old be in favor of denying bilingual education two later waves of immigrants. The hell of a thing.
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I remember playing NES all day and then turning on TV broadcast in 6 of evening. All channels, even entertaining ones that did not normally had news programs were showing records of planes hitting skyscrapers. My first feeling was, sort of ir-reality of everything. Like what I was watching on TV looked like some kind of an action movie. Later that day I felt like the world is on the brink of the big war, because, it really felt like a game-changer event. |
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I didn't think a big war was gonna happen. I was 10 years old at the time and thus too young to comprehend how the world works still. I didn't even know what the WTC was until that day, so I had no emotional attachment to those skyscrapers. After all these years I think of them as "those two big towers that fell". I had no idea they were so well known worldwide. I only knew of the Empire State Building. I think news stations worldwide began live coverage a few minutes after the first tower was hit. So those buildings must have been very important to the world economy for the media all over the world to immediately start covering it after the first plane hit. Like I've said, I only recall being sad in the previous days to it due to school being close to restarting. It started two days after the attacks. I remember the attacks being discussed a bit and mentioned by a couple of teachers at school in the first couple of days. Btw, when did it become confirmed who did those attacks? I mean, once the 2nd plane hit it was pretty much a given already that those weren't just horrific accidents, and the pentagon plane and the one that crashed in the countryside confirmed it, but I remember in 2002 and 2003 many people still not being sure who did it. Or maybe that was just people being sceptical. |
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The 9/11 attacks thrust Americans into accepting just how clueless they were to the international political scene, and weak in their perspective in being a target of terrorism, and to acknowledge that even a superpower with their expansive bordering oceans, can not immune/isolated from either one. This political shift is what Americans see as the defining moment that transitioned politics of the 1990s (mostly domestic issues), to politics of the 2000s (the war on terrorism). From my experience in having friends and family throughout the country, almost everyone was scared that day (at least those that lived in or near major cities at least) because of the unpredictability of where these planes could be crashing (after the second jet crash at WTC), and the fear of whether the military would strike down any passenger jets; nevertheless, everyone in the country was shook up though since, as I explained earlier, almost everyone beforehand felt "insulated". Though I would venture in saying the east coast of the US had the greatest intensity of fear though since the crashes occurred in New York City, Washington D.C. and Pennsylvania. |
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That fear still lives today. Just look at some of the posts in this thread. Agreeing that it’s ok to exclude a certian ethnic group from our country because of what happened. I deal with it on the daily from the dude I sit next to at work.
I’m not scared of people. I’m not scared of terrorists. If something happened near me or God forbid I died, I would be ok. I’ve lived a good and peaceful life and no terrorist or threat of terrorism is ever going to change that. Terrorists win when the successfully get us to change how we live and how we think.... seems to me like the won over a whole boatload of this country to me. Its so sad. We HAVE been conquered by them in a sense. As long as people in this country fear Islam and Muslims, The terrorists 100% won. That day was scary. Maybe lifechanging. But I didn’t get angry. I didn’t let the fear overtake me.
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Messing with the politics and stability of Middle Eastern countries does that. And ofc as long as there's oil, nothing will change. Funny enough, the West is friends with Saudi Arabia, a country that finances terrorists and responsible for Wahhabism, a branch where most of those islamic fundamentalists come from.
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The blissful ignorance is a pretty good thing to point out - even with being well past the "Red Scare" of the 50's.
I feel like the best comparison for this idea is one that Lindsey Ellis made on alien invasion films pre 9/11 and post 9/11. Especially in regards to how significant buildings were destroyed. Namely in her comparisons between Independence Day and War of the Worlds. Two similar concepts - alien invasions - with very, very different reactions. Or - what we expected or wishfully wanted from catastrophic attacks vs what we actually got. So really, it's no wonder Independence Day remains a fun movie while War of the Worlds is mostly forgotten. (Placing it not four years after 9/11 didn't help and it's...weird, weird inclusion of Hushabye Mountain from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Alien invasion filled with horrific events? Let's pop in a song originally performed by Dick Van Dyke.)
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Not scared of people? Are you living in one of the worst crime-rampant, poor inner cities of America? If not and you can afford to live away from those areas, you are already contradicting yourself, proving that you are scared of people, because crime can be considered a form of terrorism. ...Just ask those who have to fear about powerful, territorial gangs roaming the streets in the "da hood". Quote:
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