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[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Okay, I think the whole "Rise assets" thing was more metaphorical. I don't think it was meant literally.

This movie, in terms of it's general tone and asethetic, is CLEARLY taking a lot of cues from "Rise." It's an original TMNT story, but there's no way to look at this thing honestly and not see the clear paralles between this and "Rise." No, I don't think it's literally made of any recycled assets, but they were clearly working from the same bin of legos, if you know what I mean.

Exactly. The art direction all of that came from somewhere. Hence the word "repurposed". Happens all the time in Hollywood with failed project. Stuff appears in Star Wars all the time repurposed from other projects that failed or got dumped.

It's not that hard of a connection to grasp - for reasonable people apparently. Your post is an example of how reasonable conversation should go instead of the Napolean Dynamite posting.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I just don’t see how all these people are working off or “Rise assets”.

I’m seeing more indications it’s just an original product. I’ve heard Seth Rogen talk about it a couple times in the last month and it seems like he’s actually pretty involved and into it, so I don’t see it.

They're not. It's just Rise haters trying to blame Rise for other things they also dislike.

Anyone who was an actual fan of Rise, and, you know, followed the series, the behind-the-scenes material, talked to the crew members, would know that. Andy Suriano's style & imagination is very unique, easy to recognize, I don't see it here. Rise was basically a mystical anime, this is just Fred Wolf/the Archie series meets Into The Spiderverse. Arthur Fong's style is all over it, clear as day, & he's the art director, of course.

April is a black chick with glasses again, Raph has an over the head bandana, the end. & in the latter's case, that's been done before anyway, even as early as Mirage's Volume 1 #9, not to mention countless other instances like The Next Mutation, 4kids, Archie, 2012, Platinum Dunes... Any other shared attributes are due to the fact that both Mutant Mayhem & Rise are Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles media. Lots of mutants, frequent jokes, catering to the current generation of youth, etc. That's pretty much all TMNT has been since Mirage. The designs, origin, art style, etc are not the same. MM may very well have a similar sense of humor about it, but that's just the times we're in. Teen Titans Go & all that, people like that fast-paced quippy stuff these days.

& anything "forced in", be it certain characters, or things which pertain to diversity/inclusion, likely has more to do with the higher-ups than any precedents set by a series that was deemed a failure.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Exactly. The art direction all of that came from somewhere. Hence the word "repurposed". Happens all the time in Hollywood with failed project. Stuff appears in Star Wars all the time repurposed from other projects that failed or got dumped.

It's not that hard of a connection to grasp - for reasonable people apparently. Your post is an example of how reasonable conversation should go instead of the Napolean Dynamite posting.

Doesn't matter. You misspoke about the James Gunn DCEU movie lineup so stfu.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Careful, neatoman…

Paramount is on the hunt for leakers.

naw , they busy with kiddie porn now......1968s Romeo & Juliet has underage nudity which is a no no today

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Powder

They're not. It's just Rise haters trying to blame Rise for other things they also dislike.

Anyone who was an actual fan of Rise, and, you know, followed the series, the behind-the-scenes material, talked to the crew members, would know that. Andy Suriano's style & imagination is very unique, easy to recognize, I don't see it here. Rise was basically a mystical anime, this is just Fred Wolf/the Archie series meets Into The Spiderverse. Arthur Fong's style is all over it, clear as day, & he's the art director, of course.

April is a black chick with glasses again, Raph has an over the head bandana, the end. & in the latter's case, that's been done before anyway, even as early as Mirage's Volume 1 #9, not to mention countless other instances like The Next Mutation, 4kids, Archie, 2012, Platinum Dunes... Any other shared attributes are due to the fact that both Mutant Mayhem & Rise are Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles media. Lots of mutants, frequent jokes, catering to the current generation of youth, etc. That's pretty much all TMNT has been since Mirage. The designs, origin, art style, etc are not the same. MM may very well have a similar sense of humor about it, but that's just the times we're in. Teen Titans Go & all that, people like that fast-paced quippy stuff these days.

& anything "forced in", be it certain characters, or things which pertain to diversity/inclusion, likely has more to do with the higher-ups than any precedents set by a series that was deemed a failure.

Got the same feeling. It’s people using some passive aggressive behavior to take more shots at “Rise..” wherever possible, it seems. I didn’t click with that show but I recognize that type of behavior.

Well summarized!

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Okay, I think the whole "Rise assets" thing was more metaphorical. I don't think it was meant literally.

This movie, in terms of it's general tone and asethetic, is CLEARLY taking a lot of cues from "Rise." It's an original TMNT story, but there's no way to look at this thing honestly and not see the clear paralles between this and "Rise." No, I don't think it's literally made of any recycled assets, but they were clearly working from the same bin of legos, if you know what I mean.

I don’t think it was metaphorical. If it was, it wouldn’t really make sense. They are metaphorically reusing assets? That’s not something that really works as a metaphor.

I do not think it’s taking its cues from Rise though. It’s taking its cues from Viacom/Nick and the trends of Hollywood. Seth Rogen wasn’t about to base his version of TMNT off Rise. It’s even clear from recent interviews that he didn’t do that.

We can use metaphors but if we say they are “using re-purposed assets” that would imply they literally took…assets… from a Rise production and used them in this production.

There’s no way to spin that into “I meant metaphorically they are similar”. Those are two different things.

Like I said, there are clearly some similarities. That doesn’t mean the assets are “re-purposed”.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Exactly. The art direction all of that came from somewhere. Hence the word "repurposed". Happens all the time in Hollywood with failed project. Stuff appears in Star Wars all the time repurposed from other projects that failed or got dumped.

It's not that hard of a connection to grasp - for reasonable people apparently. Your post is an example of how reasonable conversation should go instead of the Napolean Dynamite posting.

Except you two are saying different things.

What you’re saying here isn’t “metaphorical” lol. You’re literally saying they are re-using assets.

Zog is saying “I think he means metaphorically” and you’re like “yeah, exactly! They re-used assets.” That’s not “exactly”. That’s saying two different things.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Doesn't matter. You misspoke about the James Gunn DCEU movie lineup so stfu.

You did the same thing he did in that thread and it’s only less notable bc you didn’t go into a full on loon-meltdown. You simply spoke before you knew what you were talking about and got aggressive about it, which is dumb but not a huge deal. Like when you melted down over Kang’s face not being blue even though it was, or kept insisting the turtles wouldn’t kill in TLR.

It’s not that IMJ “misspoke”, it’s that he threw a fit without knowing what he was discussing. He tends to fire from the hip in bursts of passive-aggression and then double-down when called out. It keeps this place interesting but it’s too ridiculous not to call out.

I really do suggest people read that thread when looking for a masterclass in speaking too soon and doubling down. Or if you’re just bored and want to see people misspeak and then freak out about it.

[CyberCubed]

The creative teams of this and Rise are completely different. And the concept and designs of the characters are all different, it has nothing to do with Rise. Seth Rogen never worked on the cartoon, and all the cartoon writers aren't on this movie.

Really the only similarity is black April and this one is a schoolteacher while Rise's was a teenage girl.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Doesn't matter. You misspoke about the James Gunn DCEU movie lineup so stfu.

I don't know what came over me. Swamp Thing and a phony Batman movie that will probably turn out like the first Suicide Squad but focused on a gay Robin - awesome material right there for Universe building. Awesome. I recant.

Originally Posted by AquaParade

It’s not that IMJ “misspoke”, it’s that he threw a fit without knowing what he was discussing. He tends to fire from the hip in bursts of passive-aggression and then double-down when called out. It keeps this place interesting but it’s too ridiculous not to call out.

I knew exactly what I was discussing. My only mistake was posting about something I barely cared about and in doing so I pencil-whipped my response a bit instead of making it airtight enough to keep someone with your mentality appropriately heeled in the conversation.

And when I realized that you took the opportunity to have your "win" over "The Brave and the Bold" I just let it ride because digging in deeper on it with someone with your mentality wasn't worth my time. You can choose to believe that or not - honestly makes no difference to me. Think what you want my friend, but the truth is I waived you off out of apathy while you were firing "DC Comics Rockets" to bolster your personal-pencil-dick status.

You can have your deeply thought out "Brave and the Bold" win dude , it's yours.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I don't know what came over me. Swamp Thing and a phony Batman movie that will probably turn out like the first Suicide Squad but focused on a gay Robin - awesome material right there for Universe building. Awesome. I recant.

See, IMJ thinks I’m in a battle with him over the quality of Gunn’s slate, but I’m really just trying to embarrass him for his extremely odd behavior in that other thread. Maybe Gunn’s Batman will suck, who knows. Maybe Robin will be gay? Not really sure where that’s coming from.

All I know is he melted down over the slate without knowing what he was talking about and that’s the part that cracks me up.

I highly recommend going and reading that thread.

But at least he dropped the repurposed assets argument. I think we may have taught him something.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

See, IMJ thinks I’m in a battle with him over the quality of Gunn’s slate, but I’m really just trying to embarrass him for his extremely odd behavior in that other thread. Maybe Gunn’s Batman will suck, who knows. Maybe Robin will be gay? Not really sure where that’s coming from.

All I know is he melted down over the slate without knowing what he was talking about and that’s the part that cracks me up.

I highly recommend going and reading that thread.

But at least he dropped the repurposed assets argument. I think we may have taught him something.

You're a wordplay guy, Aqua. Not a "speaks and is respected guy". A word play guy needs a TMNT forum "win" and grasps at argument straws for it.

And yes, regardless of your "MBA level analysis" (I'm sure your mouth has actual support coming from somewhere, right?) it is my opinion right now, whether I'm right or wrong, that Rise was repurposed for this movie - it's possible even elements of the doomed Rise movie-script were used here as well.

But it's cool - you took this nonsense content for the victory lap while I was only making conversation in both instances. The keyboard warrior thing suits you, man. My opinion is that DC's movie project announcement sucks and that it's very possible and likely that Rogen's TMNT flick uses repurposed Rise of the TMNT assets.

If those two opinions are the extent of your big win then you really are the dip $#!( I imagine you to be. Think about that dip$#!( - I didn't like a movie slate and I observed a pattern to a Ninja Turtles movie and you dug-in on those at a level of disrespect for your big "win". How is this going to go over for you when we bump into each other at a convention someday or somewhere and we continue this conversation?

You don't look like a forum hero - you look like a f'n idiot who probably shouldn't have dug-in on your big-win against an opinion about a Turtles movie and some DC movies so tightly.

[AquaParade]

Again, it has literally nothing to do with you not “liking a movie slate”. Stop that.
You want it to be about the quality of the slate. You want that to be the discussion. It’s not.

It’s all about you melting down, attacking, and doubling down… when you don’t know the facts of the matter.

As for meeting in person? Lol talk about a keyboard warrior.

[IndigoErth]

Spoiler:

Finally agree with Cubed about something to with do it, yay. lol

Were they inspired at all by Rise April... I dunno, can't read their minds. But since paying attention to diversity in your product is more of a thing now, lets face it, TMNT doesn't offer very many important central or supporting human characters to work with, fewer when you rule out the 'sin' of tampering with the Asian ones, and doubtful most want more taking the spotlight away from the Turtles anyhow.

If anything I feel like giving April glasses again is, just as with Donnie, using them as a visual stereotype, as usual. I don't mind her having glasses, but it would be nice to see characters someday (not necessarily in TMNT) that have glasses just...because they do. Having them doesn't make more than one April the same though, nor her flesh tone.

[Slash-Dash]

would anyone be kind enough to tell me who the dolphin character is in the story board leaks?

many thanks.

[Hamato_Clan]

Who is Scumbug? I’ve never seen this character from any part of the franchise.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Hamato_Clan

Who is Scumbug? I’ve never seen this character from any part of the franchise.

Looks like he may have shown up in the Archie comic, though personally only recall it as one of those many toys from the 87 series that never actually showed up in animation.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Hamato_Clan

Who is Scumbug? I’ve never seen this character from any part of the franchise.

Scumbug is in the Archie series, the Fred Wolf cartoon, the 2012 cartoon and even has an IDW cameo. I'm surprised you didn't know about the character.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by neatoman

the Fred Wolf cartoon

Did he show up in the series? Obviously made a real big impression on me. lol

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Did he show up in the series? Obviously made a real big impression on me. lol

Yes, he was a mercenary hired by Krang alongside Antrax in "Night of the Rogues." He had the same general appearance, but his origin was never mentioned, and he seemed to come from Dimension X. It seemed to be another case where they just lifted an action figure and plopped it into the show without any context.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Yes, he was a mercenary hired by Krang alongside Antrax in "Night of the Rogues." He had the same general appearance, but his origin was never mentioned, and he seemed to come from Dimension X. It seemed to be another case where they just lifted an action figure and plopped it into the show without any context.

Ah, that's right, thanks for the reminder.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Ah, that's right, thanks for the reminder.

My pleasure, always happy to drop by with obscure TMNT facts that no one outside of this forum has the background knowledge for.