04-10-2017, 02:34 PM | #41 |
Overlord
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 40,945
|
I also meant IDW's Mondo Gecko too, and he's been well received with people saying, "I'm glad he's back" when he first appeared.
I mean I realize the only main reason we all still like these characters is because of our nostalgia for the original show, Archie comics, and the toys and videogames, but even then you still see more love for old characters than the newly created ones. Outside of Old Hob and maybe Tiger Claw and Fishface, none of the other majorly new IDW/Nick characters are all that popular. |
04-10-2017, 03:08 PM | #42 |
Big Blue Boy Scout
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Bark Town
Posts: 4,463
|
My idea for Tokka and Razhar in the next incarnation of tmnt would be a darker and more tragic take on the characters, a blend of the Secret of the Ooze and Fred Wolf versions. So while Bebop and Rocksteady are known in tmnt as goofy henchmen, Razhar and Tokka are the sympathetic ones.
They both start out as a wolf cub and a baby snapping turtle who are taken in by the foot early on for experiments. They are mutated early on in their life, but are subject to vicious experiments designed to turn them into super soldiers. As a result, both of the mutants (especially Tokka) have suffered from developmental disorders which causes their speech to be stunted and slurred, often only communicating in grunts and cries. When they have grown into semi-adults, the two are forced to fight the turtles by the Shredder for his own gain. However, both are naturally docile and scared and don't want to fight the turtles despite their enormous physical strength. As a result of their failures, the shredder punishes them brutally and this causes Razhar especially to snap and escape the foot with his younger "brother". Both mutants then spend their days hiding out in the streets, being shunned by humanity wherever they go, only having each other for friends. Razhar is especially overprotective of Tokka due to the relatively higher abuse that he endured in comparison to Razhar due to his lower intelligence. Whenever, they both encounter the turtles, their first instinct is to fight them because they have learned to associate the turtles with the horrific abuse that they endured at the hands of the Shredder. Eventually however, both slowly learn to comprehend human language and develop speech over the course of the story, becoming more intelligent. It is only time that their newfound reasoning faculties lead them to learn more about the turtles in order to kill them. However, when they learn that the turtles are outcasts as well and on a quest for good, they have a change of heart and ally themselves with the turtles, vowing to help take down the Shredder together. Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 04-10-2017 at 03:15 PM. |
04-10-2017, 03:26 PM | #43 |
Emperor
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 9,398
|
I don't know, wouldn't it just be better to have them be monsters rather than try to make them more intelligent?
|
04-10-2017, 03:29 PM | #44 | |
Big Blue Boy Scout
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Bark Town
Posts: 4,463
|
Quote:
Make them intelligent enough so you can understand their feelings and they are relatable but not so intelligent so that the audience still feels sympathetic for them due to their disabilities. Basically a cross between their depiction in SOTO and that one episode of the OT. |
|
04-10-2017, 04:30 PM | #45 |
Mutant Tiger
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA
Posts: 13,797
|
I like the version of Razhar and Tokka that were in the Fred Wolf series, they were a little more intelligent, and Razhar was trying to protect his friend Tokka, When they were attacked by the Turtles.
Last edited by TigerClaw; 04-11-2017 at 09:55 PM. |
04-11-2017, 08:42 PM | #46 |
Overlord
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,979
|
I just feel bad because we never saw Tokka reunite with Rahzar afterwards.
I always found it interesting that Tokka is basically what a real mutant turtle would look like. Our guys have always looked basically like weird faced bald humans with shells. Tokka was full on realistic non-cute mutant turtle.
__________________
"I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/ |
04-12-2017, 12:41 PM | #47 | |
The Iron Dinosaur
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Studio Snowlion HQ
Posts: 3,021
|
Quote:
And, I don't mind seeing Tokka and Rahzar reappear in future versions. They're no worse than a lot of the other C-List Mutants that have made comebacks lately. |
|
04-12-2017, 02:49 PM | #48 |
Overlord
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 40,945
|
Kinda agree with this. If people lose their minds over seeing Muckman, Mutagen Man, Wyrm, Scumbug, etc...again....there's no problem with Rahzar/Tokka reappearing.
|
04-12-2017, 03:16 PM | #49 |
Annalist
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
At the end of the day, it's all nostalgia and action figures.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
04-12-2017, 03:18 PM | #50 | |
Overlord
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 40,945
|
Quote:
It's kind of the same reason people were disappointed Bludgeon wasn't Armaggon. You introduce a mutant shark and not use one people liked since the Archie era? Granted since Bludgeon is a hammerhead shark and Armaggon is a great white shark, it gives IDW some leeway to still introduced him somewhere down the road. |
|
04-12-2017, 03:19 PM | #51 |
Weed Whacker
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 29,132
|
So they're forcing it to be.
__________________
|
04-12-2017, 03:51 PM | #52 |
Jedi Master
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters
Posts: 11,109
|
Razhar was so well done in a single episode and his and Tokka's relationship. I would like to see more of that! The problem is how can Tokka be unique to Slash and be justified.
I would like to see a list of A list mutants and B list mutants after CKD's mention.
__________________
Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon! |
04-12-2017, 09:11 PM | #53 |
-
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Tokio, Italy
Posts: 9,999
|
They're awesome designs so yeah I love seeing them. |
They're not really used too much either when they appear which is fine since it makes their appearances special. With the exception of the CG show. Dogpound mutating into Rahzar was terrible and only done to please fans. Dogpound was awesome and one of the few original characters that was great in the beginning and yet they transform him into a character we love but he's not that character either? Way to mess things up on both characters. |
04-12-2017, 09:15 PM | #54 | |
Annalist
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
Quote:
They STARTED as A-list, but degraded down to B-list. Whereas, say, Mona Lisa is firmly B-list. And Bebop and Rocksteady and Slash are absolutely A-list.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
04-12-2017, 09:17 PM | #55 | |
Overlord
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 40,945
|
Quote:
Also why do you keep saying, "not that character?" All Rahzar is, is basically a wolf. He had no backstory prior to the Nick cartoon. |
|
04-12-2017, 09:28 PM | #56 |
Jedi Master
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters
Posts: 11,109
|
Razhar still has no backstory as he was renamed Razhar in name only.
As for A-list, would it consists of just five characters? Bebop, Rocksteady, Slash, Leatherhead, and Baxter Stockman when depicted as a mutant fly might make up the A list. You might have an A- category with the likes of Old Hob and Mondo Gecko.
__________________
Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon! |
04-12-2017, 09:35 PM | #57 | ||
Annalist
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
Quote:
Quote:
A-List? Off the top of my head: Rocksteady, Bebop, Slash, Leatherhead. I'd also add Old Hob and Tiger Claw to that list, because although they're exclusive to a single iteration, they've been stand-out fan favorites AND they haven't been downgraded to background cannon fodder.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
||
04-12-2017, 09:37 PM | #58 | |
Overlord
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 40,945
|
Quote:
Rahzar used to be nothing but a wolf mutated for Shredder in the second movie. In his original cartoon appearance he had no backstory and was just a random mutant who lived in the wild. Nick's Rahzar has an actual backstory (Chris Bradford), has a personality, actually works for Shredder beyond being a "dumb feral mutant" and had a role in the series. Take off the nostalgia glasses, Nick's Rahzar is the best version of the character to date. |
|
04-12-2017, 10:03 PM | #59 | |
Mutant Tiger
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA
Posts: 13,797
|
Quote:
|
|
04-12-2017, 10:10 PM | #60 | |
Overlord
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,979
|
Quote:
Hell, what would have happened if they mutated Shredder, Hun, or some other pre-established character into Slash just for 'LOL nostalgia!' just for the hell of it. Actually this version of Rahzar was such a sleek skeletal design that had ninja speed.... they might as well have call him Wolfesbane or some other name other than naming him after a slow lumbering wolf mutant was known more for his strength than his speed.
__________________
"I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/ |
|
Tags |
cubedindenial |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|