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Also, it was the Derby that he didn't run, just to clarify. The first "leg" of the Crown. He won the other two pretty easily.
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It's not so much a case of being "villainized", as Seabiscuit was considered a clear underdog- and we all know how people LOVE underdogs. Actually, War Admiral is in the Hall of Fame as one of the leading sires as well as winners of all time. It's primarily because of him and one or two of MOW's other sons (and SEVERAL of his daughters) that that line did so well. What is so amazing is that the line has CONSISTANTLY given great runners, breeders, and many record-setters. Admiral rightfully deserved his reputation and honors, but so did Seabiscuit. The difference is that ONE was bred and raised by a large, wealthy stable with resources to enter him in all the BIG races; the other- WASN'T. But he was just as good, and his pedigree showed it, even if he didn't have the same opportunities.
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Once both horses were ready, they had a match for the ages, when the Admiral losing a very CLOSE match, who knows, perhaps a rematch could of had the Admiral on top? A shame it never happen. But War Admiral does get a lot of media hate. |
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06-10-2015, 09:17 PM | #25 |
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Ive never seen any media hate for him. Hes always mentioned with a lot of respect, especially for his breeding contributions. And being on of the earliest Crown winners is no small acheivement, either. If nothing else, he gets a lot of props from the media for that. The thing about that match is that we were just coming out of WWII, and people needed something to rally behind. Seabiscuit being the "underdog" gave the country something to get behind. If hed lost, WA still would have had his record, and then some, but losing to Seabiscuit proved that he wasnt unbeatable like everyone thought, and it gave people in lower classes something to point to as "one of ours".
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06-10-2015, 09:27 PM | #26 | |
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WA did lose predated the match with Seabiscuit. It happens in all sports, any one can be beaten. Even the great Man O War who was as close to perfect race wise, was beaten once. Almost a perfect 22-0 record lol. The funny thing about MOW, is near the end, no one wanted to race MOW, and there was even talks to weight MOW down just so to give the other horses a sporting chance. crazy talk. |
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06-10-2015, 10:09 PM | #27 |
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True, but it was their reputations as powerhouses on the track that made them SEEM unbeatable- which is why some didn't want to race against MOW. Horse racing has often been as much about track politics and media spin as it has about track records of individual horses or jockeys. Horses with great records get the most publicity, obviously, especially when they have good pedigrees and come from proven winning lines.
In the case of WA and SB, they were BOTH out of the same line, so it was win-win, since either side winning would prove that the line gave champions consistently. It was as much a match of breeding vs. track history as just a straight up race. Did the better horse win? Who knows. But both ended up more famous because of it, and both also ended up proving MOW's greatness as a stud, as well as their own in the future.
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And he's done it again! After today's win in the Breeder's Cup, American Pharaoh has now become the FIRST horse to win a "grand slam" by winning both the Triple Crown AND the Breeder's Cup, thus securing his place in history and most likely a shoe in for Horse of the Year. He will be remembered alongside Secretariat, Affirmed, War Admiral, and others- and as the first Breeder's Cup winner since its inception in 1984 to also be a Crown winner, that puts him in a special place as the ONLY grand slam winner thus far- Affirmed won the Crown BEFORE the Breeder's Cup began, so as the last previous Crown winner, he couldn't have won both. Two horses have had near misses, one being Sunday Silence in 1989, but both lost one leg of the Crown.
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Not sure if any horse can top Secretariat in that respect- he still holds several records- but he'll be right up there!
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Well yeah speed wise, Secretariat is perhaps number 1, But what American Pharaoh has done, Not only being a triple crown winner, but being a breeders cup winner, sometimes I think titles can trump records. I don't think any horse will repeat the time Secretariat set when he won the crown, and it was a once in a life time performance. But I think at the movement American Pharaoh can have a argument as number 1.
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Well, to be fair, since the Breeder's Cup didn't yet exist in Secretariat's time (not begun until 1984), that can't be really compared. If it had been, he probably would have walked away with that one, too. So it's really speed in the existing races at the time one has to look at.
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I totally forgot about the Breeder's Cup, or I would have watched it. Ah, well, congrats to American Pharoah.
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about 37 years with out a triple crown winner, and than we get a grand slam on top of that. I don't think we see something like that in a while. |
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Agreed. It makes me so glad I was able to watch all of them! I can say I've seen horse racing history as it happened, and it's probably the only time in my life that will happen. Woot!
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In the 1930's though the 40's, there seem to be a winner every 3 or 4 years. Than a major drought in the 1950's though the 1960's. Secretariat ended the drought in the 70's, with Seattle Slew and Affirmed following. Than other drought follow, so perhaps in a few years time other horse or 2 can follow what American Pharoah like Slew and Affirmed did for Secretariat. The history of the crown winners just seem years of winners, drought, follow by other series of champions. |
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That is pretty neat. Not a huge fan of j=horse racing but that is quite impressive.
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Bumping this for the Belmont today.
Could it be about to happen again? Justify is about to run the Belmont, after having won the first two legs of the Triple Crown. Here's hoping for another TC winner!
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Unbelievable! Second time in three years, and Justify led from start to finish! He was first at the post (drew the first slot in the starting gate- prime starting position next to the inside ffence) and led all the way, keeping a good, but relatively easy pace for the pack. He opened it up (though it looked like he might have still been holding back a bit) in the final turn at the last 1/4 mile, and they never caught up to him. There was a moment or two where it looked like a couple of them might, but too late, as he had already put a length or more between them, and there was not enough time or distance to close the gap.
Triple Crown Winner!!
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