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I have to admit, I do prefer the Slash setup if only because it gave us Slash. But I think overall you have a deeper grasp on the character of April O'Neil, Ross! The whole concepts of not being able to relate to humans anymore... I also loved your writing of the O'Neil family in "Northampton."
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01-20-2015, 06:50 PM | #62 |
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I'm glad Ross is posting in this thread because I was just gonna bring up : A turtle killed a Foot Ninja in Northampton!
We never see the deathblow, but you can see one of the assassin with their eyes x'ed out in one panel, then you only see three of them escaping with Koya. Did this just sneak past the Nickelodeon people? Or is there a more interesting behind the scenes story? |
01-20-2015, 07:17 PM | #63 |
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Hey Ross, just wanted to say thanks for your insight. Much appreciated.
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01-20-2015, 07:25 PM | #64 |
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That's what cracks me up with the whole no killing thing. The turtles have tangled with the Foot on multiple occasions using those ninja weapons. You don't have those big battles and have them end with "and then everyone got better again" all the time. The turtles have killed in IDW whether they intend to or not, count on it.
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as i recall the final version of the micro that Bobby and i were working on did have a Slash setup but it was more like an after-credits stinger gag and he didn't show up in-panel. i can't quite remember how it went but Bobby had the idea that i think somehow Alopex knew about Slash and she told April about it but it was left a mystery what she'd told April until the very end, and the last line of the issue was April telling the Turtles and Casey "there's a fifth Turtle!" or something like that. we went through so many revisions that a lot of it is kind of jumbled in my head now, unfortunately. i still have the file somewhere, i should take a look at it. Quote:
anyway, i know the IDW Turtles aren't supposed to kill and there's no way my personal take on it is canon, but in my head they do, at least in the issues i've drawn. when i was doing the Leo micro i didn't draw any gushing blood but i absolutely intended for him to be killing those Foot ninjas. not only slicing them up but there are a couple panels where he throws ninjas off a building to their doom. there's no way they survived some of that stuff. in Northampton, i'll admit i didn't keep track of the number of Foot Assassins, i didn't have a set number that came along with Koya, the script never specified, but i personally intended for a bunch of them to be dead. also because i like the idea that after the fight, the Turtles had to clean up the farm and Beth O'Neil stands off to the side like O_O as she watches the Turtles get rid of all the ninja corpses, haha. April would be standing there checking her Twitter feed, totally inured to all the Foot baloney by that point. XD |
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01-20-2015, 07:41 PM | #66 |
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Well, the no-killing policy can be taken a bit out of context IMO. We know Leo and Raph are fighting with bladed weapons; and we know that they're fighting people trying to kill them. I don't have to see the blood or disembowelment to know that some Foot ninja are getting killed. And it stretches the mind far beyond willing suspension of disbelief to say that Leo and Raph haven't killed anyone.
But whatever keeps Nick happy, sure. <wink wink> SURE they're just knocking them out with those pointy-stabby-slicy things. I think the only time in the IDW run so far where we needed to see an actual "on-screen" kill was Dark Leo and Victor of the Savate. But we all know that dead horse, so I'm just gonna drop my stick and walk away now.
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Then in hindsight, it's a good thing you didn't go with that Slash stinger "There's a fifth Turtle!" Fanboys would have burned the forums to the ground while screaming epithets against Venus de Milo.
My favorite bit you've drawn was in Turtles in Time #1, when Raph says "Don't worry guys, I've got this" as he reaches for something to throw... and then the last we see of the Utroms, one of them is repeating the exact same mistake. Quote:
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01-20-2015, 08:50 PM | #68 |
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Ross, I like your April-Alopex idea. You really like the female bonding don't you? I've seen your Deviantart! I feel that your story would have helped make April a little less bland than she is in IDW.
Now as for whether the Turtles have killed anyone in IDW: so, what you're all saying is they've totally killed people? Don't get me wrong, I'd be okay with this, but it does not fit into what has been discussed ad nauseum in the actual pages of the comic. Splinter has a no kill rule. Leo explicitly never killed anyone, even Koya. It just contradicts the words that are spoken in the story! |
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although, when i was drawing the scene with Leo and Koya, to me it's not about killing. it's not about whether Leo will kill her, and in my mind Dark Leo was never about killing or not killing, it's about Leo being able to choose his own actions, whether it's kill or not kill. so that Koya sequence where Leo has his sword up, for me it's not about whether he'll kill her or not, it's about whether he's able to choose for himself what he wants to do. even when he was Dark Leo, he wanted to kill but Shredder always stopped him, even then he was never in control of his own choices. him not killing Koya is him choosing for himself. and again maybe i'm splitting hairs and way overthinking things, haha. XD |
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It was very interesting to hear about your April Micro pitch. I am eagerly awaiting Klunk's debut in the IDW universe and I think you had some great idea's about April not fitting in with regular college culture after meeting the turtles. I know I only have your comments about it to work with but from what you summarized it seemed like the book lacked any sort of big action? There really is room in IDW TMNT for quieter more personal stories but maybe not at the top of year 2? Either way thanks for sharing I really enjoy glimpsing behind the curtain when it comes to this book. |
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Hi Ross - great to see you back on the forums!
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences - it's really cool to hear about your thoughts and such during your time on the comic. (Looking forward to Jem coming out too - you're an amazing artist. Hope all's well in your corner of the world!)
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There is one thing I do wonder about wheter or not it was some kind of editorial demand. When the Purple Dragons are first introduced they're Angel's neighbourhood watch, but as the series progresses the Dragons become more like the version of them from the 2003 cartoon (a decent amount of members, Hun's leadership, the connection to the Foot, hell Dragonface is actually depicted on a cover!) which is arguably the most recognisable version of the Purple Dragons. I also think this might be the reason Hun will be added to the Nickelodeon cartoon soon, to make the Dragons seem more recognisable.
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Funny how Ninjara is on the 30th anniversary cover, Yet she's nowhere near in the comic itself, Perhaps someday she will appear, But she will have some competition with Alopex.
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I'm assuming you're talking about the latter, in which case I think there's a reason Alopex simply isn't just Ninjara. |
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I'm talking about the idw tmnt universe itself, That story took place in the Archie Comic universe.
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01-22-2015, 10:23 AM | #79 |
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It's not that strange really, we don't have every important character from TMNT history in the IDW comic, it does not have to. The FW cartoon ignored most characters from Mirage (I think Baxter, Rat King, Casey and Leatherhead were the only ones taken from the comic aside from the main cast), the 4Kids series ignored the FW characters (for a very good reason) and the Nickelodeon cartoon pick and choose like crazy. I don't see why Ninjara would need to be in the IDW series.
Although it is a little odd that IDW does have a female ninja fox, who is not the same female ninja fox as the one in the most mainstream TMNT comic produced before IDW's run. |
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