Gay pride

[1987]

gay pride month is happening now, can’t overlook it when every major corporation has decorated their logos with rainbows. it used to be it’s own thing where most people just like “ahh whatever, let them have their parade” i really didn’t care about it, but now they are desperately trying to make it mainstream.

do you think it’s bigoted how it’s called gay pride month, instead of lgbtqia+ month, cause the term “gay” mainly focuses on cisgendered homosexual men, right? what about the other members of that community, lesbians, transgenders etc, shouldn’t they be represented?

however i think they are taking things a bit far this year, the left is trying to normalize “drag shows for kids” and schools are forcefully indoctrinating a lgbtqia+ woke agenda on their students wtf? for the .01%. how have times changed to this extremism? like they’re trying to force kids to be transgender, it’s sickening, nothing against transgenders, but they shouldn’t be forcing that ideology on kids, let them decide on their own. wow didn’t know the left was so hell bent on abolishing the nuclear family, it’s bigoted.

the left claims to be the party of love and diversity, stand with ukraine, they love their muslim neighbors etc. even though muslims hate gays, the left will quickly label you bigoted and islamaphobic if you speak out against the barbaric practices of the muslim taliban. but what happens when 2 woke ideologies collide?

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by 1987

gay pride month is happening now, can’t overlook it when every major corporation has decorated their logos with rainbows. it used to be it’s own thing where most people just like “ahh whatever, let them have their parade” i really didn’t care about it, but now they are desperately trying to make it mainstream.

It's been mainstream for the last few years already. In fact, I believe it was 2020 when it began to really, really ramp up in 'popularity' with lots of corporate grandstanding.

do you think it’s bigoted how it’s called gay pride month, instead of lgbtqia+ month, cause the term “gay” mainly focuses on cisgendered homosexual men, right? what about the other members of that community, lesbians, transgenders etc, shouldn’t they be represented?

You're right, and wrong. Sort of. A lot of it is exclusively gay (and lesbian, really) focused. A lot. Some places make an effort to include the rest of the community, though not often. Like I've said in other posts on here, I do see a lot of the gay/lesbian community turn their noses on the rest of the 'alphabet groups', and there's a lot of animosity between the groups in reality.

however i think they are taking things a bit far this year, the left is trying to normalize “drag shows for kids” and schools are forcefully indoctrinating a lgbtqia+ woke agenda on their students wtf? for the .01%. how have times changed to this extremism? like they’re trying to force kids to be transgender, it’s sickening, nothing against transgenders, but they shouldn’t be forcing that ideology on kids, let them decide on their own. wow didn’t know the left was so hell bent on abolishing the nuclear family, it’s bigoted.

I think there's a huge difference between educating children on homosexuality, and...'drag shows for kids'. I'll say this right now, I've never liked beauty pageants and the like, especially for children. Little girls being paraded around in very skimpy outfits, and being judged on their looks and weight is gross to me. I see drag shows being more or less the same, it's treating children like playthings and fashion accessories. In both instances, parents are using their kids as well, to show them off like purse poodles. It's just that in the case of these junior drag shows, there's an added component of parents also showing off how 'open minded' and 'accepting' they are. Trust me, my mother tried to turn me into a beauty queen as a kid, so I understood a lot of the 'psychology' behind this stuff. Luckily, I never got accepted into any beauty shows.

Anyway, back on topic. I may or may not be roasted for this here. Though I think banning all education and talk of homosexuality is excessive. Homosexuality and transgenderism and the like all exist. Most kids know they exist, even when parents try to hide it. I know mine did, and I still grew up knowing what gayness was, and am bi myself. Almost as if...trying to hide this stuff from people doesn't work. The healthy medium, of course, is to make it known that they exist, and lightly educate children on it little by little. No, I'm not saying we should teach kindergartners about different gay sex positions either. Obviously, as kids get older, the education on sex becomes more varied, and complicated.

I got most of my sex education in late elementary school (fifth grade) into middle school. It was exclusively heterosexual, and honestly, it was pretty trash. I don't have a very good opinion of the educational system, and I think most people in general are awful teachers, and even worse at teaching sex education of any kind. My experiences are probably weird because I became sexually active as a young teen, and a lot of my 'education' came from early 2000s internet. Even then, I went through a lot of unnecessary stress because I still didn't 'get' certain aspects of biological sex (aka I'd freak out over late periods and thought I somehow got pregnant even if I hadn't had actual sex). My religious parents, predictably, did jackshit to educate me either, and basically tried to paint all sex as deviant and evil (joke's on them, it didn't stick to me the way they wanted it to ). Anyway, a lot of people, even those involved in the LGBT+ community, don't 'get' it.

For instance, I think some kids do suffer from gender dysmorphia. I've witnessed firsthand from people I used to know that it can be crippling and depressing. But then there's kids that got through phases, and believe that preferring a Hot Wheels car to a Barbie makes them trans. In high school, I knew a kid that cycled through phases: he thought he was gay, then he thought he was bi, then he thought he was straight, then he was gay again, etc. We all, him included, would joke about it. "Are you gay or bi this week?" I'd ask him, and he'd go, "Hm...bi? I think?" I feel like...the way things are now, people expect kids who are questioning themselves and their bodies/sexuality to conform to a label IMMEDIATELY AND FOREVER. Thus, to many in the LGBT+ community, a child questioning whether they are trans or not prompts them to immediately pressure that child into conforming to being trans.

It's really not different from other groups. I remember the pressure in church for everyone there to be Christian and become Baptized. As a child, the other churchgoers actually tried to force me to get Baptized. There were a lot of reasons I refused, though they were wholly unsympathetic to it. If I came to church, I needed to be like the rest of them, and get Baptized. The pressure was tough on me. I didn't get Baptized in the end, though I know others who would give in, and do it so they could be considered a part of the group.

the left claims to be the party of love and diversity, stand with ukraine, they love their muslim neighbors etc. even though muslims hate gays, the left will quickly label you bigoted and islamaphobic if you speak out against the barbaric practices of the muslim taliban. but what happens when 2 woke ideologies collide?

https://i.imgur.com/DTLYhTp.jpg?2

I mean.

The right also claims to be the party of love and acceptance. I've had conservatives tell me I deserve to burn in hell for being a 'SJW', bi, being a minority, not being religious, etc. I honestly hate both sides, and their hypocrisy is both hilarious, and sad. Humanity is going down a really dark path right now, and the political discord is going to screw us all over in the end.

To specifically address your hypothetical about Muslims and homophobia, and how the left react to it? I've seen them mostly deflect that notion because, yes, it is contradictory. Thing is, they don't care, and they don't really ponder those notions too deeply. Many of the followers of leftist ideology just follow what they're told by their political overlords. Same with the right, honestly. If you really look into both political ideologies with a magnifying glass, you'll soon discover there's a lot of contradictions in beliefs they follow.

Anyway, going back to the main topic... I don't mind the idea of having themed months like black history month, and the like. It would be a nice opportunity, especially for kids, to learn more about other cultures, and the accomplishments of people within those groups. That's not what these months are for nowadays, and the corporatization and politicization of it all makes it very obvious what the real motive behind it is.

[1987]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I think there's a huge difference between educating children on homosexuality, and...'drag shows for kids'. I'll say this right now, I've never liked beauty pageants and the like, especially for children. Little girls being paraded around in very skimpy outfits, and being judged on their looks and weight is gross to me. I see drag shows being more or less the same, it's treating children like playthings and fashion accessories. In both instances, parents are using their kids as well, to show them off like purse poodles. It's just that in the case of these junior drag shows, there's an added component of parents also showing off how 'open minded' and 'accepting' they are. Trust me, my mother tried to turn me into a beauty queen as a kid, so I understood a lot of the 'psychology' behind this stuff. Luckily, I never got accepted into any beauty shows.

it just seems so forced these days, ever since biden took office and appointed that transgendered health secretary, we been flooded with excessive amounts of lgbtqia+ propaganda and virtue signaling. im sure some of that community also doesn’t want so much attention drawn to them. it seems they just want to encourage more gay/lesbian to adopt and become parents, like modern family. if a child gets adopted by a lgbtqia+ couple then i would imagine they will probably grow up into a similar lifestyle? we’ve been seeing the whole “theybies” saga evolve.

Originally Posted by superstaff

For instance, I think some kids do suffer from gender dysmorphia. I've witnessed firsthand from people I used to know that it can be crippling and depressing. But then there's kids that got through phases, and believe that preferring a Hot Wheels car to a Barbie makes them trans. In high school, I knew a kid that cycled through phases: he thought he was gay, then he thought he was bi, then he thought he was straight, then he was gay again, etc. We all, him included, would joke about it. "Are you gay or bi this week?" I'd ask him, and he'd go, "Hm...bi? I think?" I feel like...the way things are now, people expect kids who are questioning themselves and their bodies/sexuality to conform to a label IMMEDIATELY AND FOREVER. Thus, to many in the LGBT+ community, a child questioning whether they are trans or not prompts them to immediately pressure that child into conforming to being trans.

i’ve always felt they should just be left alone and figure out their own sexual orientation or gender identity whatever and live their own life vs being indoctrinated. that’s how it’s always been but there’s just too much propaganda and manipulation being forced now, most people get sick of it after a while, and if a kid just so happens to be adopted by an lgbtqia+ couple, well, that’s just their fate i guess.

Originally Posted by superstaff

To specifically address your hypothetical about Muslims and homophobia, and how the left react to it? I've seen them mostly deflect that notion because, yes, it is contradictory. Thing is, they don't care, and they don't really ponder those notions too deeply. Many of the followers of leftist ideology just follow what they're told by their political overlords. Same with the right, honestly. If you really look into both political ideologies with a magnifying glass, you'll soon discover there's a lot of contradictions in beliefs they follow.

that is true because obama is pro muslim, anti christianity and he is idolized by the left. most leftist that tolerate the bigotry from islam and bow down to them, are complete opposite toward “the patriarchy” as they call it, cry white supremacy, and their goal seems to be to abolish the nuclear family in america.

the leftist may stand with ukraine but little do they realize ukraine does not recognize same-sex marriage.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by 1987

however i think they are taking things a bit far this year, the left is trying to normalize “drag shows for kids” and schools are forcefully indoctrinating a lgbtqia+ woke agenda on their students wtf?

I have no problem with gay people but it blows my mind how anyone can't see that This Stuff Here is way, way, way too far.

I mean we're pumping out high school graduates who can barely read or write, but it's like SUPER important that we teach 4-year olds about drag queens, hormone therapy and elective surgery, you guys.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by 1987

it just seems so forced these days, ever since biden took office and appointed that transgendered health secretary, we been flooded with excessive amounts of lgbtqia+ propaganda and virtue signaling.

This has been happening way before Biden. This happened during and before Trump was in office too.

im sure some of that community also doesn’t want so much attention drawn to them. it seems they just want to encourage more gay/lesbian to adopt and become parents, like modern family. if a child gets adopted by a lgbtqia+ couple then i would imagine they will probably grow up into a similar lifestyle? we’ve been seeing the whole “theybies” saga evolve.

That's really not true... A lot of people don't grow up to be clones of their parents. I didn't. Being raised by gay parents doesn't mean the kid(s) will be gay either. And there's straight parents that have 'theybies', in fact, I see more hetero couples with theybies than not.

i’ve always felt they should just be left alone and figure out their own sexual orientation or gender identity whatever and live their own life vs being indoctrinated. that’s how it’s always been but there’s just too much propaganda and manipulation being forced now, most people get sick of it after a while, and if a kid just so happens to be adopted by an lgbtqia+ couple, well, that’s just their fate i guess.

Propaganda and manipulation exist everywhere, if people can't see past the stuff fed to them by their families, schools, churches, whatever, and form their own opinions then...that's on them, and they'll have to live with the decisions they make subsequently. Like I said in my previous comment, most people seem to do anything so they can fit in with their group. This applies to any organized group.

that is true because obama is pro muslim, anti christianity and he is idolized by the left. most leftist that tolerate the bigotry from islam and bow down to them, are complete opposite toward “the patriarchy” as they call it, cry white supremacy, and their goal seems to be to abolish the nuclear family in america.

The agenda is to divide as many people as possible, and the goal is for the government to step in, and enact a means to control the populace through taxation and making many laws under the cloak of 'safety'. This is also not only happening in the US. However, the 'nuclear family' has been gone for decades now, and gay people aren't the reason why it's been destroyed. There are many reasons for this as well. Most families have been, and still are a f*cked up mess. I don't think I've met a single person who has had a perfect family life (aka husband + wife, happy marriage, '2.5 kids', etc), ever.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by 1987

if a child gets adopted by a lgbtqia+ couple then i would imagine they will probably grow up into a similar lifestyle?

If that's the way humans biologically work, then explain all the gay people who were born from and raised by typical, run of the mill straight parents over the decades and centuries, including long before gayness was a public topic.

i’ve always felt they should just be left alone and figure out their own sexual orientation or gender identity whatever and live their own life

So make sure all the straight kids live in an indoctrinated safety bubble where only straighness exists, any other orientation is viewed as nonexistent, and go back to cruel times when kids who realize they aren't straight have to try to be invisible about it and be on their guard to not accidentally reveal themselves, else the sheltered and entitled straight kids, who aren't exposed to diversity and the concept of tolerance among peers, will behave toward non-straight non-cis peers in reprehensible ways.


Remember Matthew Shepard? Is that what you want for kids today via making them exist in the shadows? Because it's that kind of reason why straight people needed exposure to harmless but "different" aspects of some people so they don't go around mistreating, abusing, and sometimes killing them. Insist that kids should but kept in a safe space hetero-only bubble of life knowledge and that mistreatment and ostracization of peers is what you're only going to get more of.



My personal feeling on pride month, etc... Eh? More power to 'em, I'm more or less different. It's not my fight, but don't stand in anyone's way of civil and social issues they face and may need to see improvement on. Their existence and wanting and needing inclusion in society like anyone else doesn't scare me or make me insecure. Them being who they are is not going to somehow makes kids any different than who they themselves are 'intended' to be in life, it doesn't work that way. Gayness (etc) is no more pornographic or scandalous or inappropriate in public unless someone is making it so. Don't feel any of it needs to be pushed and specifically taught, but if kids see a gay couple and have questions, or even questions about their own feelings they think are "different" than their peers, then I see no problem in the proper adult discussing things with them at an age appropriate level.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Remember Matthew Shepard? Is that what you want for kids today via making them exist in the shadows? Because it's that kind of reason why straight people needed exposure to harmless but "different" aspects of some people so they don't go around mistreating, abusing, and sometimes killing them. Insist that kids should but kept in a safe space hetero-only bubble of life knowledge and that mistreatment and ostracization of peers is what you're only going to get more of.

I think there's definitely a happy medium between sheltering children to the point of pretending homosexuality and transgenderism don't exist, and teaching kindergarteners about drag queens, hormone therapy and elective surgery...

Problem is, both sides are so radicalized and unwilling to compromise that they only see two options: a) hide it all away from the children and teens forever, or b) teach small children everything about LGBT+, including subjects they couldn't comprehend at a young age. A happy medium doesn't exist to many people.

[Leo656]

I do have some questions about how kids raised in a "gay bubble" (for lack of a better term) turn out, statistically.

While it's 100% true that not everyone grows up to be a mirror reflection of the environment they were raised in, at the same time this is the first time in recorded human history where we have "out and proud" homosexuals raising children openly and I can't help but wonder what kind of effect that has. Like, not for nothing, but I do know a few gay people who are especially spiteful towards "the straights" - which is a bit understandable, don't get me wrong - and while these specific individuals don't have kids, it's pretty clear to me that if they did have kids and those kids turned out straight, they'd be just as aghast and disappointed as a typical conservative Christian whose kids turn out gay. Same thing from the other direction. MANY parents do their level best to turn their kids into smaller versions of themselves, and they do it on multiple levels.

So like... can we prove that at least some of these gay parents aren't "nudging" their kids along on their preferred path? I mean, it's a variable.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I do have some questions about how kids raised in a "gay bubble" (for lack of a better term) turn out, statistically.

Problem with using statistics nowadays is that they are super skewed in whatever direction the scientists gathering the data want it to go. So the pro-gay stats will say stuff like "89% of kids raised in gay households are now successful and happy, well adjusted citizens". The anti-gay stats will say stuff like "89% of kids raised in gay households are now neurotic, depressed, homicidal criminals". I've seen both online. It's hard to really, truly gauge it with actual cold, hard facts.

So like... can we prove that at least some of these gay parents aren't "nudging" their kids along on their preferred path? I mean, it's a variable.

I ain't gonna lie here. I'm sure parents like that exist. Because many parents are just bad, and narcissistic...therefore, they are the types who are trying to create Mini Mes of themselves. Believe me, that was how I was raised. My mother wanted a perfect angel that looked and acted like her, she would even lament this to me (and still does now). I think in my specific case, I was somehow a very stubborn, pigheaded child that would disobey when situations became uncomfortable for me.

Like I said above, I had those adults and kids in my former church trying to pressure me into a Baptism as well. It was actually pretty intimidating because they'd be like, "If you don't get Baptized, you might go to hell, sweetie!" They'd say that sort of thing through these Stepford Smiles of theirs, and even kid me could tell it was...creepy. But I just rejected it anyhow. Sadly, most people conform because, well, it's how they get approval from their peers. As you could tell, not conforming came with a huge price for me. I'm not exactly a super beloved person with a close network of friends and family.

Anyway, thing is, bad parents like that come in all shapes and sizes. There are likely gay parents who try to push their kids towards that lifestyle, sure. There are other types of parents who also try to push their kids into all sorts of stuff that they deem for their 'own good' as well. It sucks, but at the very end of the day, people need to say "Stop" if their parents or whoever are trying to muck up their lives and they don't want that. In my experience, that's easier said than done, because most people want to please others around them including their own parents. Thing is, what can be done? I don't think, short of having the government step in (I highly advise against people telling the government to tell them how to raise kids...I really, truly do) with crap like tests or whatever (let me reiterate, never give the government that kind of power ), there's not much else people can do. We're at the mercy of our environments, and how we are raised, though we also possess free will... It's just a very complicated situation with no easy answers.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by superstaff

and teaching kindergarteners about drag queens, hormone therapy and elective surgery...

I read people going on about this stuff, but I've yet to actually see info on where that has actually happened. (Links anyone? That aren't hysterical conspiracy sources.)

I know a kindergartner. (Okay he just passed kindergarten this week.) Trying to get this kid to listen and pay attention to anything he's being told at this age is near impossible, let alone topics that would be way over his young brain to grasp what the words even mean to begin with. Age appropriate issue aside, it sounds like a waste of time to get this age to listen to anything beyond what actually interests them anyhow, let alone teachers trying to impart the beginnings of learning. (Ghosts, monsters, Minecraft, Plants Vs. Zombies... you'd likely get his attention with those, but he'll barge in and want to do all the talking. Anything else, forget it.)

I think he knows that some men and women love people of their own gender, and that's fine, but he's still struggling with grasping the beginnings of reading and those life basics, so I really think more personal matters of the world around him have plenty of time to come later.

Locally, the only drag queen stuff I've heard of as far as kids are concerned is some kind of story time thing at a library. I don't really have an issue with that. It isn't teaching them about drag queens or any orientation, they're just reading normal storybooks, and if they're all dolled up then honestly, young kids may not really see much difference between the drag queens and, say, other costumed characters at Disney or whatnot, since it is more or less a character they preform. And those who have a problem with it can simply skip that kind of library event.

[1987]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Locally, the only drag queen stuff I've heard of as far as kids are concerned is some kind of story time thing at a library. I don't really have an issue with that. It isn't teaching them about drag queens or any orientation, they're just reading normal storybooks, and if they're all dolled up then honestly, young kids may not really see much difference between the drag queens and, say, other costumed characters at Disney or whatnot, since it is more or less a character they preform. And those who have a problem with it can simply skip that kind of library event.

So you’re okay with perverted grown men dressing up as women and hanging out with little kids? Why am I not surprised, seems to be a current high priority of the leftist agenda. And sure, the sane parents can “skip it” and keep their kids safe, but what about those lunatic leftist pink and blue haired parents who are into that nasty stuff, and their kids have no choice but to attend?

Check out this NBC narrative of how that poor harmless transgender just wanted to read a book for children at the library until those big bad klansmen showed up on the same day a “group of white nationalists (aka feds) attempted to riot at a pride parade” before Youtube turns off the comments:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E916ypQenNc

Here’s another perspective of the incident, those guys show those masked morons a video what this drag queen dude, panda dulce, is really all about, what he wants to do with kids:

https://gab.com/MrAmericanPatriot/po...75729971103705

sickening. the left supports this agenda

here’s Alex Jones take on this new trend, yeah I know, tinfoil hat blah blah blah

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosob...20955816902656

[Leo656]

Kids are awful, so I confess, anytime anyone (men especially) says that they WANT to be around kids, to the point where they're literally fighting for the right to do so... yeah, I see red flags.

I guess I'm warped by all the stories I've read in the news about teachers, scout leaders, priests, foster parents, and so on turning out to be pedophiles. Sure, it's not all or even most, but... way too many for my comfort, and it's always people who "Just seemed like they were so great with kids!" Like, yeah, obviously... because they wanted to f*ck them. Naturally they'd be "great with kids"; that's how they get ya.

But yeah, when a person - men especially - says "I just love kids, I love being around them, if I can't be around them it causes me actual distress"... yeah, can't lie, my first instinct is "pedo". Maybe I'm too cynical, but at the same time, Better Safe Than Sorry, I reckon.

If the guy is wearing a dress, well... double those red flags. Sorry, not sorry. It's bad enough that any grown man wants to be around young kids at all, that's already suspect as hell. If they're wearing lipstick and a wig and going full Cher... yeah, no, if I had kids then I definitely do not want That Guy anywhere near them.

There's just types of people I don't trust. Like a male gynecologist. Oh, yeah, no, they're definitely not in the business just because they like going elbows-deep in other guys' wives and daughters. It's all totally innocent and legit and above-board, nothing shady going on there at all. Same thing with any grown man who "loves kids". Yeah, I BET you f*cking do, pal. They can't hold a proper conversation and don't bother to wipe their hands between digging in their ass and picking their nose, and then they stick those fingers right in their mouth, but oh yeah, sure, kids are f*cking adorable. Right. And anyone who wants to be around them On Purpose definitely isn't just some creepy f*cking weirdo.

And a guy in a dress is already a f*cking weirdo, so now you're doubling up the creep factor. Just no, all the way around, just No. If you're a parent, or guardian, and you're okay with that kinda thing, I don't think you should get to cry when your kid ends up getting molested by the nice, friendly guy in a dress who "just really likes kids a bunch". You chose "tolerance" over common sense, I don't think you really should get to complain when the inevitable happens. You were warned. Just like those people in Loudon County, VA were warned that letting a guy use the girls' bathroom would cause problems; the "tolerance" brigade won that argument, and then two girls got raped by the guy in a skirt who "just wanted the freedom to be themselves."

I think when kids are concerned, common sense and protecting them should count for more than "tolerance". Get them through childhood without getting raped, molested or murdered, first, and then after that they can have the rest of their life to practice tolerance and understanding. They're fine virtues to have... as adults. When kids are concerned, being suspicious of EVERYONE is the right track to take.

Especially with regard towards people who are Obvious Creeps to start with. Juuuust sayin'.

[1987]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Kids are awful, so I confess, anytime anyone (men especially) says that they WANT to be around kids, to the point where they're literally fighting for the right to do so... yeah, I see red flags.

Exactly this. These men dressed in drag are gay sex maniacs. Who the hell would justify having them be around kids? Only liberals virtue signaling for woke points, love and acceptance.

To question the logic behind this “drag queen story time for children” the left will label you transphobic and bigoted. that’s how they get away with everything.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Kids are awful, so I confess, anytime anyone (men especially) says that they WANT to be around kids, to the point where they're literally fighting for the right to do so... yeah, I see red flags.

I guess I'm warped by all the stories I've read in the news about teachers, scout leaders, priests, foster parents, and so on turning out to be pedophiles. Sure, it's not all or even most, but... way too many for my comfort, and it's always people who "Just seemed like they were so great with kids!" Like, yeah, obviously... because they wanted to f*ck them. Naturally they'd be "great with kids"; that's how they get ya.

But yeah, when a person - men especially - says "I just love kids, I love being around them, if I can't be around them it causes me actual distress"... yeah, can't lie, my first instinct is "pedo". Maybe I'm too cynical, but at the same time, Better Safe Than Sorry, I reckon.

Whenever people say this, I just have to counter that no one can be trusted with children. No one. Not even parents. And yes, honestly, some parents and 'trusted family members' end up abusing children. Thing is, child molesters come in all shapes and sizes, man. There's coaches, there's teachers, there's priests, there's Uncle Joes, doctors, dentists, lawyers, politicians, men, women, fathers, mothers, etc etc etc.

'Men in dresses' aren't automatically pedophiles, and there's many seemingly normal men who turn out to have molested their own kids. There's men who do love kids, because they just enjoy their company...................and, yeah, I can't find better wording than that so shush.

I just find it a huge shame that men can't admit to liking kids or wanting to be fathers without being slapped with a "you're a pedo" label. Because I can understand why people would want to be parents or teachers or just like hanging with their nine year old nephews or whatever. People do look at you funny if you're not 'normal', and do anything that can be deemed 'suspicious'. Even as a woman, I get glared at when I walk down a toy aisle at Walmart or get asked "Uh, why are you wearing a shirt with a cartoon on it?".

The sad truth is that children are not inherently safe with anyone. Can't even say it's safe with their own parents because some parents are actually dangerous for kids to be around. There's just...not much that can be done because there's many kids who will fall through the cracks, and end up exposed to harmful situations. Unless we relinquish all parenting rights over and let the government raise kids (...........which I do not recommend, at all), like, there's not much we can do except be vigilant, and attempt to protect kids...though even that's no guarantee either.

[Leo656]

True, but I do feel like there is a way to reasonably minimize the potential for damage by an exponential degree. You limit external risk factors whenever possible. It's true that sometimes "You can't even trust the parents", but for society to function we have to at least ASSUME we can. But everyone outside of those two people should be looked at as a potential predator as a matter of course.

And I'm sorry, but the few people I ever knew personally who were "gay enough" to go around in drag, EVERYTHING about them was Sex, Sex, Sex constantly. Every conversation, every facet of their personality, EVERYTHING about them was hyper-sexualized. So yeah, nah, they don't need to be around kids. I just wouldn't want to take that chance. WHY do they wanna be around kids so bad? To talk about how good silk panties feel on their balls? How much breast implants cost? Do they suddenly have OTHER topics of conversation they fall back on that have nothing to do with those things? Because that would be news to me, frankly. Not being a dick, just observing honestly based on my own experiences.

I simply wouldn't trust a person who spends 99% of their time talking about their sex practices, anywhere near my hypothetical kids. Drag queens, strippers, porn stars, hookers... do what you're gonna do, but you're not coming to read my kids a book and you're not gonna ever babysit. People whose entire lives revolve around sexual behavior and identity have a consistently poor track record of keeping a lid on that sh*t.

Maybe that makes me a judgmental prick, but I really couldn't care less. Common sense is common sense. No, you can never protect any kid 100%, but you can definitely mitigate and minimize the potential for damage with a few easy steps.

Not that I'll ever have kids anyway. On account of I hate them. Just saying, stuff that was "common sense" when I was a kid is called "bigotry" now, and I can't help but think that's got a lot to do with how things keep getting worse.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

True, but I do feel like there is a way to reasonably minimize the potential for damage by an exponential degree. You limit external risk factors whenever possible. It's true that sometimes "You can't even trust the parents", but for society to function we have to at least ASSUME we can. But everyone outside of those two people should be looked at as a potential predator as a matter of course.

Thing is, if we look at everyone outside of parents as potential predators, then...what, we can never trust anyone again? Parents can't have their siblings babysit their kids alone out of the fear that they may be a child molester? Or allow kids to take lessons or join clubs because the instructors could be molesters? I just feel like the best thing parents can do is to prepare their kids for potential danger, and have a good enough relationship that has the child feel safe enough to go to them with any 'funny business' that could happen. Trust me, my parents were the types who told me everyone was possibly a child molester. Didn't help me much in the end. I never got molested (it almost happened, though I defended myself...and it was due to my grandma's lesson: "If anyone tries to touch you down there and you don't want them to, bite them as hard as you can"), but holy f*ck, I am a mess that can't trust anyone.

And I'm sorry, but the few people I ever knew personally who were "gay enough" to go around in drag, EVERYTHING about them was Sex, Sex, Sex constantly. Every conversation, every facet of their personality, EVERYTHING about them was hyper-sexualized. So yeah, nah, they don't need to be around kids. I just wouldn't want to take that chance. WHY do they wanna be around kids so bad? To talk about how good silk panties feel on their balls? How much breast implants cost? Do they suddenly have OTHER topics of conversation they fall back on that have nothing to do with those things? Because that would be news to me, frankly. Not being a dick, just observing honestly based on my own experiences.

I've never met any drag queen types personally, so I suppose I can't attest to this myself. Though, eh. I just feel like this is the sort of rhetoric I see other people use against other groups they deem 'unsafe' for their kids too. I just feel like...anyone could be a danger to kids, even the nice dude that'll lend you his tools and lawnmower when you ask him. I...don't think a drag queen is more dangerous than anyone else that could be a possible danger to children, including abusive parents. The 'solution' is to put kids in a bubble, and keep them locked it in forever because...danger lurks everywhere, and potentially everyone.

Maybe that makes me a judgmental prick, but I really couldn't care less. Common sense is common sense. No, you can never protect any kid 100%, but you can definitely mitigate and minimize the potential for damage with a few easy steps.

I guess that varies, man. I think it's up to individuals to protect themselves in the end, and for parents to teach their kids the skills they need to survive. Those skills will differ from parent to parent. Though I think telling kids, "Hey, that man in the dress over there is dangerous!" then going "people like Mr. Parker the nice dude who'll lend us his stuff is perfectly fine and could never, ever hurt you because he's got a wife, dresses in a suit, and has a neatly trimmed mustache" is...not always true. It's really no different than telling a kid that "black people are all dangerous criminals, do not associate with them'"... I just think we should be careful with the people we interact with, though not paranoid to the point of locking yourself away forever. It's a balancing act.

Though, to be honest, with everything that's happened after 2020, I think kids are screwed, and will distrust everyone since they'll likely view their peers, and elders, as possible disease vectors to be afraid of...and being #AtHomeForever is the only way to be 'safe' and 'happy'. Yay!!! ...

[Leo656]

I think if you polled 1000 people on the street, at least 990 of them would be more comfortable having their kids babysat by a sibling or well-known neighbor, well before they'd let the guy in the dress wearing women's underpants do it. Even though "No, you don't actually KNOW". Sure, you don't know for sure if the sibling or neighbor is a nutjob.

But you DO know that the guy in the dress is. So right there, Nope.

See, I need to point out that in my head there's a bit of a wall between "regular gay people" and people who I personally feel have some kind of disorder that makes their sexuality their entire identity and sense of self. The gay guy who works at the library up the road and maybe has a rainbow flag T-shirt or something on, they're most likely a normal person. But the one marching down the street in a sequined gown and stiletto heels, and the one next to them wearing the dildo hat with the giant phallus on it... yeah, those are Crazy People. They're not gay because there's something wrong with them, but there IS something wrong with them and "being gay" just kind of happened adjacently to that.

That's how I see it, anyway. As I've mentioned, quite a few of my gay friends of either gender agree with me on that. They feel like the "freakshow" types set relations between Gays and Straights back by decades simply by their insistence on being obnoxiously ostentatious. Not every homosexual is automatically a huge fan of RuPaul's Drag Race; the fact is, a lot of the "regular" gays can't STAND those people.

So yeah, I'unno. Like every other prejudice that I have, I fully cop to it and admit there's just some things I'm never gonna bend on. I'm probably more tolerant than Most, but not as much as Some. But that's fine, or at least, as far as I see it it should be fine.

So yeah, no problem with "gay people" in general. But a guy in a dress most likely has a mental disorder. There's just no honest way of handwaving that.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

I...don't think a drag queen is more dangerous than anyone else that could be a possible danger to children, including abusive parents. The 'solution' is to put kids in a bubble, and keep them locked it in forever because...danger lurks everywhere, and potentially everyone.

It's just called being a parent. You should do your due diligence to shield your small children from alternative lifestyles and sex buggery, bare minimum. As they get older, like past 12, you can take another look at exposing and explaining vs. coddling. That's the way I approached it with my daughter. "You see that guy over there? Weirdo!"

And it's not "dangerous" per se, it's just putting crap into kids' minds at a formative age and giving them ideas. As in, it's a BAD idea. Or are we to assume there is an illusive "drag queen gene" as well?

[Prowler]

I used to think gay parades were a bit unclassy and unnecessary. And not good ways to counter prejudice against gay people.

Nowadays I don't care. But tbh not every single gay person attends such parades. Getting so "outlandish" in public isn't something most people feel comfortable in doing.

Anyway there's all sorts of parades and protests. As long as no one gets hurt let people have their parades and protests. We live in a democracy after all.

As for the discusson above...

No, I wouldn't take a son of mine to a drag queen show and neither would I take him to a strip club to watch hot naked women. I'd take him to a football match, to the circus, the cinema or some place like that. I mean, if your son is 12 why would you be taking him to strip clubs and drag queen shows? Seems weird. And what kid would want to visit such places with their own parents anyway?!

Many decades ago in more rural areas here, fathers would take their sons to the closest brothel so that they'd lose their virginity and "become men". But this was the 50s and society has evolved and gotten more educated since then. If a father took his own 15 year old son to a brothel nowadays he'd probably get arrested.

So really, do we need to regress back to such times? Because it seems like that's the idea behind it...

[Leo656]

I've read about how a lot of families bring their kids to f*cking Hooters. Like, a whole family - husband, wife, and two or three kids - just casually go into a Hooters at 3 in the afternoon for a nice family meal. Apparently it happens ALL the time, all over the place. Before Dark, Hooters is apparently a family establishment, like Chuck E. Cheese without the ball pit and with better food and drink options. Who knew?

I gotta admit, I actually love Hooters with no irony BUT even that seems a bit weird, to me. The entire point of the place is to ogle and objectify women in skimpy outfits while you eat marked-up bar food, it's not the first thing I'd think of if I were taking my family out for a casual sit-down lunch. I LOVE to ogle at and objectify women, it's my favorite. But I still don't think I'd feel right about it with a bunch of 6-year olds running around. I guess the thinking is, kids are oblivious to what the place is "really" about and so it's "safe" to take them there, but... I'unno, by the time I was 5 I was trying to see Boobs anywhere I could, so I don't automatically assume kids are oblivious. I sure wasn't.

So yeah, even I have a line of decency, blurry and way off-center as it may be.
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As for Pride Parades, apparently last night at one of them Christina Aguilera was prancing around onstage wearing a giant strap-on dildo. And people wonder why a LOT of people don't think these things belong in a public setting? C'mon with this. A chick with a strap-on is a wonderful thing (especially if there's another comely lass bent over right in front of her) BUT there's a proper time and place for that. Some stuff just doesn't need to be outside and in public.