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Old 08-01-2017, 04:21 PM   #61
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I agree that transgender people are suffering from a form of mental illness but it also could be due to a chemical or hormonal imbalance in the body too. I believe if those could be fixed, then the person would no longer think they identify as someone else.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:26 PM   #62
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That kind of thinking is why we ended up with the travesty that is conversion therapy.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:41 PM   #63
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But it makes sense to just fix the problem rather than to let the person think otherwise and have all of this identity crisis about who they are. And you have to remember that this type of thing also affects those around that person and changes things. That's just my take on it whether you agree with me or not. I don't agree with this lifestyle and I don't feel that I have to conform to it and that others don't have to conform to it either.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:42 PM   #64
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Fixing the problem is exactly what trans* folk are doing though.
You just disagree with what the problem is.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:46 PM   #65
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If you're referring to transitioning, some of them do that but others don't. I'm just saying that if there's a way to fix it without the person changing who they are completely, that would be a good thing and would help with any issues they may have regarding this condition. If I felt this way, I would seek mental help and see what could be done to change it because I just feel that it's not normal for people to think this way. There's something wrong in the brain if someone thinks they are someone else.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:51 PM   #66
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I'm saying you think there's something wrong with their brains, while the trans*folk in question believe there's something wrong with their bodies.

Folks who transition do so while under the care of a mental health specialist as well as an endocrinologist. It's kind of required that they do so. Heck, before people are allowed to undergo gender confirmation procedures they're required to live as their gender for a full year prior.
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Old 08-01-2017, 04:59 PM   #67
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They're not changing who they are, they're becoming who they are. It's no different from coming out as gay/bi. Just on gender grounds rather than sexual orientation.
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They're not changing who they are, they're becoming who they are. It's no different from coming out as gay/bi. Just on gender grounds rather than sexual orientation.
And none of these things would be groundbreaking or controversial in the slightest, if there wasn't so much shame wrapped around them by folks who just flat out refuse to accept that nature ain't great at binaries.
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Old 08-01-2017, 05:04 PM   #69
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No, they're changing who they are based on delusional thinking. People who say they identify as a certain gender aren't really that gender. They just think they are and transition to make themselves feel better. I don't agree with it and think it's totally and completely wrong. I was always taught that you shouldn't be someone you're not and that you should be happy with who you are and be yourself. These people change themselves either because of a mental illness or insecurity because they don't fit in as their given gender.

Being gay or bi is different because those people aren't changing who they are. They are just acting on their attraction for the same sex or both sexes.

That's the way I look at it. If you don't agree with me, fine. If you want to hate me for my viewpoint, that's fine too. I stand by my beliefs and I'm not going to change them for anybody.
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Old 08-01-2017, 05:09 PM   #70
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Well, let me be the first to thank you for being part of the problem that helps to wreck families every day.

Families like mine.
But you know, you don't care what other people think of you, so it probably won't matter to you in the slightest.

Also, you might want to look into the difference between Gender and Sex, because you're using them interchangeably, and that's inaccurate.

In conclusion, sit down before you hurt yourself.
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Old 08-01-2017, 05:11 PM   #71
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And who are you to say who they "really are" to "be themselves"? The only people who know "who they really are" is themselves, and sometimes that means transitioning in order to fully achieve that.
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:35 PM   #72
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While "pray the gay" away and other horrible things like it are not the solution. Last time I checked people who transitioned usually had problems as well and it's only a minority that feel happy after and the percentage of suicides is high.

The problem is you can't mention it without people calling you transphobic, and if you can't talk about the problem then nothing will get done.

Sex v Gender another stupid argument that while there are valid points on that side, has become a joke thanks to people taking it to the extreme.

As long as no one wants to actually talk about it without insulting the other we'll continue having this social climate and one side will eventually win. Protip: The progressives are losing.
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:54 PM   #73
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Things seem like they would have been more simple back when humans only cared about food and shelter. People who identify as transgender are lucky that modern medicine and doctors have advanced enough to make any of the procedures possible.
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Lucky for the rich/well-off Transgenders who can afford it.
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Old 08-04-2017, 04:38 PM   #75
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Well, let me be the first to thank you for being part of the problem that helps to wreck families every day.

Families like mine.
But you know, you don't care what other people think of you, so it probably won't matter to you in the slightest.

Also, you might want to look into the difference between Gender and Sex, because you're using them interchangeably, and that's inaccurate.

In conclusion, sit down before you hurt yourself.
I'm not part of any problem. People like you are part of the problem because you just don't like it when others have a different belief system and viewpoint. Please excuse me for not conforming to anyone else's way of thinking. I don't have to do so and can believe whatever I want. But the problem with people like you in society is you feel that people can only think and believe one way and if people have a different opinion about this, you automatically despise them for their opinions.

I don't care if you disagree with me as that is your right. But to say that I'm part of the problem is very ignorant and narrow-minded of you.

Last time I checked, gender and sex are the same thing. I've filled out applications for jobs and some of them ask for your sex or your gender and you have to respond either male or female. But in this messed up society we live in now, we'll probably have to change that to make the transgenders feel like they belong or something stupid like that.



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And who are you to say who they "really are" to "be themselves"? The only people who know "who they really are" is themselves, and sometimes that means transitioning in order to fully achieve that.
Because they aren't thinking clearly and are mentally ill. The problem with these people is they are changing themselves for whatever reason they believe in and if they aren't happy with their given gender, that's a problem that needs to be resolved. If you disagree with me, that's fine, but this is the way I look at it whether you like it or not.



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While "pray the gay" away and other horrible things like it are not the solution. Last time I checked people who transitioned usually had problems as well and it's only a minority that feel happy after and the percentage of suicides is high.

The problem is you can't mention it without people calling you transphobic, and if you can't talk about the problem then nothing will get done.

Sex v Gender another stupid argument that while there are valid points on that side, has become a joke thanks to people taking it to the extreme.

As long as no one wants to actually talk about it without insulting the other we'll continue having this social climate and one side will eventually win. Protip: The progressives are losing.
Well said, sdp. No one is allowed to have a different opinion in this day and age and that's sad. Nowadays it's all about conforming to only one opinion and that's it. That's why I despise society as much as I do.
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While "pray the gay" away and other horrible things like it are not the solution. Last time I checked people who transitioned usually had problems as well and it's only a minority that feel happy after and the percentage of suicides is high.
Transitioning don't cure depression or being constantly surrounded by bigoted jackwagons.

But, it's a myth that the majority of trans people that get SRS regrets it, and it reduces suicidality by 60-80%.
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As long as no one wants to actually talk about it without insulting the other we'll continue having this social climate and one side will eventually win. Protip: The progressives are losing.
The regressives are extremely aggressive and vocal at this point in time, but that doesn't mean they're winning in the long-term. We've seen enormous social change in society over the past several decades, which is a big part of why there's such an extreme pushback: they're scared. Both sides are, really. Regressives are scared because their strict view of the world and society is being challenged. Progressives are afraid because the rights and freedoms of the most marginalized are being threatened. (And I will always care more about the latter than the former.)
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It's a myth that the majority of trans people that get SRS regrets it, and it reduces suicidality by 60-80%.
This deserves repeating. A lot. Not to mention that suicide/depression is reduced even further when the family is supportive of the transition .
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The regressives are extremely aggressive and vocal at this point in time, but that doesn't mean they're winning in the long-term. We've seen enormous social change in society over the past several decades, which is a big part of why there's such an extreme pushback: they're scared. Both sides are, really. Regressives are scared because their strict view of the world and society is being challenged. Progressives are afraid because the rights and freedoms of the most marginalized are being threatened. (And I will always care more about the latter than the former.)
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This.
A thousand times this.

A more welcoming world keeps people from being closeted.
Which in turn keeps them from pretending to be someone they're not, and doing something foolish like....oh I don't know, lying to someone they've made a life-long commitment to and blowing up that family dynamic emotionally as well as financially.

Defending the status quo hurts people.

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This deserves repeating. A lot. Not to mention that suicide/depression is reduced even further when the family is supportive of the transition .
I'm repeating it again, just because it's so important.
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Actually it's pretty much the exact opposite with progressives who are the ones that are extremely vocal and aggressive. This lead to the rise of Trump, and now those views that were almost eliminated after the Bush administration have found new people and we have no one to thank but the militant progressives who took over what was right to further their own political agenda.

Let's take a look at Laci Green, one of the most influential people on the internet and a feminist and proponent for gay rights. Even she eventually got fed up with the BS and started talking about it so we could have a dialog over what had gone wrong and why the other side did have some points. She clearly stated she was still pretty much what she's always been but that at some point the path was lost. How did the "peaceful" progressives react? By writing hit piece after hit piece questioning and trying to ruin her reputation for daring to ask questions. I saw her being called trash by so many respected people and places from the left.

She's just the perfect example of everything that is wrong with the far left right now and the reason the far right was able to not only make a comeback but grow. Everyday the so called "progressives" keep alienating more and more people, learned their lesson they have not.

A more welcoming world doesn't exist where there is #1stworldprivilege but I guess that's too grown up for progressives to tackle.
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