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Old 09-06-2017, 11:59 AM   #21
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Not doing business with China would hurt us more than it would hurt them.
We uh...don't exactly make a whole lot of stuff in the US anymore.
We could start making what we need in the States if the time comes. And to offset the higher costs of American manufacturing have the debt payments that would have gone to China go to the wages/benefits of the US workers now making the products.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:03 PM   #22
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We could start making what we need in the States if the time comes. And to offset the higher costs of American manufacturing have the debt payments that would have gone to China go to the wages/benefits of the US workers now making the products.
That would be nice, wouldn't it?
But it won't happen, because we like our stuff cheap here, but we don't like working for the low wages one would have to pay to keep the retail cost down to say...Walmart levels.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:10 PM   #23
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That would be nice, wouldn't it?
But it won't happen, because we like our stuff cheap here, but we don't like working for the low wages one would have to pay to keep the retail cost down to say...Walmart levels.
This is just like a plan B or even plan D. If China decided to completely back NK. I think 1.1 trillion of money no longer going to China would be enough to keep retail prices down and pay US workers a living wage with nice benefits. But let's hope it doesn't come to anything like this. Let's hope everything can be worked out as peacefully and mutually beneficial for everyone.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:16 PM   #24
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Yeah I know zero about economics. I'll be the first to admit that. So it's not as simple as what I'm thinking most likely. I just figured if the US says to China no more money whatsoever, including debt payments and buying goods, China would hurt deeply. A war with dollars and not bullets. That might be more intimidating to some leaders than a nuke. Also less casualties.
Sad to say, it is not.

The good news is, China likes buying on credit as much as the US does. Uncle Sammie ain't the only nation with a ton of debt.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:53 PM   #25
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North Korea's EMP threat:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0bef3378cdad9
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Yeah. That's a thing.

We've known about this vulnerability for how many years now, and we've done what to overcome it?
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:00 PM   #27
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Yeah. That's a thing.

We've known about this vulnerability for how many years now, and we've done what to overcome it?
For the same reason Houston's underwater and our bridges are falling apart:

Because there's no money to be made in infrastructure improvements.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:02 PM   #28
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We've known about this vulnerability for how many years now, and we've done what to overcome it?
I'd like to believe quite a bit, but they just don't publicize it for worry of enemies developing newer tech to counter the counters.

But I really have no idea.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:09 PM   #29
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I'd like to believe quite a bit, but they just don't publicize it for worry of enemies developing newer tech to counter the counters.

But I really have no idea.
See, that's what I'd like to think, too...

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For the same reason Houston's underwater and our bridges are falling apart:

Because there's no money to be made in infrastructure improvements.
... but because of THIS, nobody ever wanting to approve tax dollars for infrastructure repair/improvement, I don't feel very confident in it.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:04 PM   #30
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...and if we did start manufacturing again the cost of produced goods would skyrocket and price a whole bunch of working class and lower folks out of those nifty things China makes.



Edit: damnit! I was 4 hours too late on my reply. Damn work and damn my not paying attention that there was a page 2
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:25 PM   #31
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Quote: Plastron Cafe:

"We uh, dont exactly make a lot of stuff in the US anymore."


But, but.... Wasn't Trump going to fix that? Oh wait. Never mind.....
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:16 PM   #32
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I hope no nuclear weapons are dropped. Plus, it'd affect South Korea. I have a South Korean friend and I don't want him to die... and so would millions of other innocent people, obviously.

Anyway, North Korea pulls this **** often in order to blackmail other nations. This time they're really pushing the limits, though.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:29 PM   #33
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So North Korea launched another missile over Japan AGAIN, just a few minutes ago, and this is the coverage it gets:

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Old 09-14-2017, 05:34 PM   #34
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Tbh every time North Korea pulls something like this nothing happens in the end. It's just their way of saying "look at me". It's like the boy who cries wolf over 9000 times.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:36 PM   #35
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Sure, but the only thing that worries me about all of this is... what exactly is the incentive for us NOT to be shooting down these missiles every time they're launched, if we can? Why even let them get to Japan? We don't know how far they'll go or what's in them, and displaying our ability to shoot them down would do a lot to dissuade Kim. I worry they've sold us on a false sense of security that we can and would shoot them down.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:49 PM   #36
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Sure, but the only thing that worries me about all of this is... what exactly is the incentive for us NOT to be shooting down these missiles every time they're launched, if we can? Why even let them get to Japan? We don't know how far they'll go or what's in them, and displaying our ability to shoot them down would do a lot to dissuade Kim. I worry they've sold us on a false sense of security that we can and would shoot them down.
Warhead defense missiles are EXTREMELY expensive and currently finite. But I've personally installed missile triangulating radars all over D.C. with my company. The technology exists, I guess we just haven't felt the need to flex that muscle yet.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:50 PM   #37
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Sure, but the only thing that worries me about all of this is... what exactly is the incentive for us NOT to be shooting down these missiles every time they're launched, if we can? Why even let them get to Japan? We don't know how far they'll go or what's in them, and displaying our ability to shoot them down would do a lot to dissuade Kim. I worry they've sold us on a false sense of security that we can and would shoot them down.
We really don't need to display that we can shoot missles down. They know we can already. So does China, which is why they are so agitated about our missle defense systems in the area.

Again, Kim's motivation is 100% to stay in power and prove is mettle to the DPRK people and party. I think there's some internal power struggling going on there. But the bottom line is that he doesn't have enough missles/nukes to destroy us, he wants to stay in power, he knows if he fires at us we will destroy him.

His only tiny hope is that he somehow gets us to make the first attack which compels China to act. We do not want that. I hope to God Trump has rational people explaining this to him. The worst thing we could EVER do is make the first attack.

Shoot missles into the water. Who cares. Let him bluster.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:00 PM   #38
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Damn, Kim really hates the ocean.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:36 PM   #39
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7955631.html

"Trump vows to totally destroy North Korea if it threatens US."

I don't believe for one moment that Trump would dare nuke North Korea but it will be very interesting to see Kim's response. Every response so far has been threats... is this Kim's last chance?
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:43 PM   #40
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I think Trump actually believes he can just drop an Atom bomb or two right in the middle of North Korea like we did to Japan in World War II. Except this time nobody is going to tolerate millions of innocents wiped out in the blast, not to mention the millions who would die of radiation poisioning in the following weeks.

On top of that any bombing there would fallout to South Korea since it's right next to it. They would essentially be harming one of our allies as well.
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