TMNT Universe #22 Preview and Discussion - Page 2

*Utrommaniac* · 05-16-2018, 10:21 AM

I do wonder if Kleve had a continued plan from his plan to assassinate Ma'riell.

Because Ch'rell would have to be informed of the situation, and I think that was part of his intent besides overthrowing her as their leader.
"Psst hey, the two Utroms you love most in the world are both dead. Why don't you do something about that?"
He'd have Ch'rell wrapped around his tentacle in a vengeful tirade and played like a fiddle.

It's pretty interesting that his goals involve and/or require causing pain to his preferred leader.

Maybe Kleve is a secretly a major villain after all

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But would he have had a plan if Ch'rell found out he orchestrated an assassination against his sister?

shredder orokusaki · 05-16-2018, 10:49 AM

HAAHHAHA Now iam coming! I will create my new armor and become Utrom Shredder again!!!! MUHAHAHAAHAH

*CyberCubed* · 05-16-2018, 01:06 PM

Yeah this was a great two-parter. I'm surprised at the twist with the crops also, I'm glad the Triceraton/Utrom alliance isn't just going to be settled easily. Also loved how Donatello was written, unlike the Batman crossover where that writer had Don complain how weak and incompetent a fighter he is, in this issue Donatello talked about what a good fighter he is and used different tactics to win and outsmarted his opponents. This is how you write Donatello.

And after what...around 3 years of build-up...Ch'rell is finally awake. Of course let's just hope it doesn't take another 3 years for him to do something.

Also anyone notice Kleve was in the bubble walker Krang used in the original cartoon?

Lastly the Leatherhead short was great. So first he was back on Burnow Island, killed a squid monster, and then went back to New York. I hope we see a lot more of him soon.

*neatoman* · 05-16-2018, 01:06 PM

Nice to see Ch'rell up and crawling.

By the way, are we going to ignore the Hydra-Kraken?

*Utrommaniac* · 05-16-2018, 01:27 PM

Probably not much to say; I doubt another will show up again. Nor will Leatherhead's little seal friend

I've realized that it is good to see some of the sealife scattered around Burnow like the blue crabs. I'm pretty sure the Utroms were getting their food from the ocean, but it was nice to actually see there was stuff around.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-16-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah this was a great two-parter. I'm surprised at the twist with the crops also, I'm glad the Triceraton/Utrom alliance isn't just going to be settled easily. Also loved how Donatello was written, unlike the Batman crossover where that writer had Don complain how weak and incompetent a fighter he is, in this issue Donatello talked about what a good fighter he is and used different tactics to win and outsmarted his opponents. This is how you write Donatello.

Damned straight, boy. Damned straight.

*Utrommaniac* · 05-16-2018, 06:48 PM

Yeah, I had heard that was a bit of a problem with the Batman comics.

I gotta say though, the last panel of the Leatherhead story gave me a bit of a laugh.

Here, a visual representation of starting college immediately after graduating high school.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-16-2018, 06:57 PM

Considering Leatherhead's "high school graduation" consisted of devouring a ruthless alien warlord, I can't wait to see what'll do when he finishes "college"!

*Utrommaniac* · 05-16-2018, 07:01 PM

Making scrap metal out of Bishop to save Slash, maybe??? Saving a fellow mutant from imprisonment?

I just thought the "I'm free" comment being juxtaposed with him holding onto those bars to be pretty accurate to a lot of situations.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-16-2018, 07:07 PM

Oh, yes, definitely. I actually only picked up on that after you mentioned it and then my jaw dropped at the symbolism.

TMNT Universe #22, the issue that keeps on giving!

*Utrommaniac* · 05-16-2018, 07:13 PM

Oh yes. It made me question redesigning my Utroms again. Because I wasn't sure about the legginess this moment with Kleve climbing up the wall

And other moments showing some surprising flexibility that I had been struggling to portray.

I did notice that Ch'rell doesn't seem to have his scar, but he did during the first Leatherhead arch. So was maybe a mistake like Ma'riell not having her quills (which I have surmised that she had them trimmed off).

*MikeandRaph87* · 05-16-2018, 07:35 PM

Leatherhead's mission is take down Null Enterprises?

*CyberCubed* · 05-16-2018, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Leatherhead's mission is take down Null Enterprises?

No, where did you get that? He may be involved with them at some point, but nothing in this short said that.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-16-2018, 07:54 PM

At the very least, there shouldn't be anything stopping him from realizing how much his interests align with Hob's anymore. Except for, y'know, the fact that he's functionally insane. (Still, peas in a pod and all that...)

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-16-2018, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

At the very least, there shouldn't be anything stopping him from realizing how much his interests align with Hob's anymore. Except for, y'know, the fact that he's functionally insane. (Still, peas in a pod and all that...)

Dude, you're reading it all wrong.

Old Hob wants to kill anybody who threatens the mutants... Leatherhead wants to kill the MUTANTS.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-16-2018, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Dude, you're reading it all wrong.

Old Hob wants to kill anybody who threatens the mutants... Leatherhead wants to kill the MUTANTS.

Am I? Does he? Why didn't he kill the Turtles or Hob when he had the chance, then? Why did he sit in that courtroom so placidly for so long, and only went after Krang? I think he wants to protect innocent creatures, his occasional hatred of other lifeforms in general is merely a reflection of his self-loathing. He doesn't care if he dies, then other times he does because he thinks he has some ulterior purpose to fulfill. I used to think of him as similar to the Joker, but he's too insane and erratic for even that comparison to work.

*MikeandRaph87* · 05-16-2018, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

No, where did you get that? He may be involved with them at some point, but nothing in this short said that.

I was guessing,Cubed. Leatherhead has a mission now so a plausible conclusion would be a desire to shut down Null's operations.

*Utrommaniac* · 05-16-2018, 08:46 PM

Ohhh boy, Null vs Leatherhead sounds like it would be amazing!

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-16-2018, 08:52 PM

Color me excited! Of course, we know Null is acting on behalf of someone else... Maligna? Most likely, but who knows! Meanwhile, in the other corner, there's not only Leatherhead but also the Turtles (duh), the Mutanimals and maybe even the EPF. Honestly, most of the fun in a story - any story - that makes it this far with so many characters and their complex relationships is trying to predict where the lines will intersect. There's more than enough hype building up for someone to make a string board at this point! I can see an Archie-style showdown with Null and Maligna happening some time in the future.

*ProphetofGanja* · 05-16-2018, 08:56 PM

The way I see it, Hob wants to create more mutants, as he sees it as a way to give animals who are constantly used and abused by humans the ability and means to fight back and take charge of their own lives, whereas Leatherhead believes that all mutants (including himself) are aberrations, crimes against nature, and should not exist. Leatherhead is like one of those people who think we should just give up on civilization and go back to wandering through the woods naked, eating berries and sh!t. It seems like their goals would align on rare occasion but not most of the time.

If the Mutanimals came across a warehouse full of stolen pets in captivity, Hob would totally want to mutate and recruit them while Leatherhead would demand they simply be returned to their natural habitats

05-16-2018, 10:21 AM	#21
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	I do wonder if Kleve had a continued plan from his plan to assassinate Ma'riell. Because Ch'rell would have to be informed of the situation, and I think that was part of his intent besides overthrowing her as their leader. "Psst hey, the two Utroms you love most in the world are both dead. Why don't you do something about that?" He'd have Ch'rell wrapped around his tentacle in a vengeful tirade and played like a fiddle. It's pretty interesting that his goals involve and/or require causing pain to his preferred leader. Maybe Kleve is a secretly a major villain after all . But would he have had a plan if Ch'rell found out he orchestrated an assassination against his sister? __________________ DeviantART Last edited by Utrommaniac; 05-16-2018 at 10:33 AM.

05-16-2018, 01:27 PM	#25
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Probably not much to say; I doubt another will show up again. Nor will Leatherhead's little seal friend I've realized that it is good to see some of the sealife scattered around Burnow like the blue crabs. I'm pretty sure the Utroms were getting their food from the ocean, but it was nice to actually see there was stuff around. __________________ DeviantART

05-16-2018, 06:48 PM	#27
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Yeah, I had heard that was a bit of a problem with the Batman comics. I gotta say though, the last panel of the Leatherhead story gave me a bit of a laugh. Here, a visual representation of starting college immediately after graduating high school. __________________ DeviantART

05-16-2018, 07:01 PM	#29
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Making scrap metal out of Bishop to save Slash, maybe??? Saving a fellow mutant from imprisonment? I just thought the "I'm free" comment being juxtaposed with him holding onto those bars to be pretty accurate to a lot of situations. __________________ DeviantART

05-16-2018, 07:13 PM	#31
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Oh yes. It made me question redesigning my Utroms again. Because I wasn't sure about the legginess this moment with Kleve climbing up the wall And other moments showing some surprising flexibility that I had been struggling to portray. I did notice that Ch'rell doesn't seem to have his scar, but he did during the first Leatherhead arch. So was maybe a mistake like Ma'riell not having her quills (which I have surmised that she had them trimmed off). __________________ DeviantART

05-16-2018, 10:49 AM	#22
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,407	HAAHHAHA Now iam coming! I will create my new armor and become Utrom Shredder again!!!! MUHAHAHAAHAH __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

05-16-2018, 01:06 PM	#23
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,056	Yeah this was a great two-parter. I'm surprised at the twist with the crops also, I'm glad the Triceraton/Utrom alliance isn't just going to be settled easily. Also loved how Donatello was written, unlike the Batman crossover where that writer had Don complain how weak and incompetent a fighter he is, in this issue Donatello talked about what a good fighter he is and used different tactics to win and outsmarted his opponents. This is how you write Donatello. And after what...around 3 years of build-up...Ch'rell is finally awake. Of course let's just hope it doesn't take another 3 years for him to do something. Also anyone notice Kleve was in the bubble walker Krang used in the original cartoon? Lastly the Leatherhead short was great. So first he was back on Burnow Island, killed a squid monster, and then went back to New York. I hope we see a lot more of him soon.

05-16-2018, 06:57 PM	#28
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Considering Leatherhead's "high school graduation" consisted of devouring a ruthless alien warlord, I can't wait to see what'll do when he finishes "college"!

05-16-2018, 07:07 PM	#30
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Oh, yes, definitely. I actually only picked up on that after you mentioned it and then my jaw dropped at the symbolism. TMNT Universe #22, the issue that keeps on giving!

05-16-2018, 07:35 PM	#32
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,134	Leatherhead's mission is take down Null Enterprises? __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

05-16-2018, 07:54 PM	#34
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	At the very least, there shouldn't be anything stopping him from realizing how much his interests align with Hob's anymore. Except for, y'know, the fact that he's functionally insane. (Still, peas in a pod and all that...)

05-16-2018, 08:46 PM	#38
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Ohhh boy, Null vs Leatherhead sounds like it would be amazing! __________________ DeviantART

05-16-2018, 08:52 PM	#39
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Color me excited! Of course, we know Null is acting on behalf of someone else... Maligna? Most likely, but who knows! Meanwhile, in the other corner, there's not only Leatherhead but also the Turtles (duh), the Mutanimals and maybe even the EPF. Honestly, most of the fun in a story - any story - that makes it this far with so many characters and their complex relationships is trying to predict where the lines will intersect. There's more than enough hype building up for someone to make a string board at this point! I can see an Archie-style showdown with Null and Maligna happening some time in the future.

05-16-2018, 08:56 PM	#40
ProphetofGanja Dub Professor Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dub Side of the Moon Posts: 3,442	The way I see it, Hob wants to create more mutants, as he sees it as a way to give animals who are constantly used and abused by humans the ability and means to fight back and take charge of their own lives, whereas Leatherhead believes that all mutants (including himself) are aberrations, crimes against nature, and should not exist. Leatherhead is like one of those people who think we should just give up on civilization and go back to wandering through the woods naked, eating berries and sh!t. It seems like their goals would align on rare occasion but not most of the time. If the Mutanimals came across a warehouse full of stolen pets in captivity, Hob would totally want to mutate and recruit them while Leatherhead would demand they simply be returned to their natural habitats __________________ "We've been frantically trying to reach you, Dude."