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Old 10-08-2012, 08:02 PM   #41
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It's an aimless joke. "That's the pot calling the kettle black". Means he's a hypocrite.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:24 PM   #42
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:24 PM   #43
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don't jump to conclusions. I can't deny or confirm anything, but things are always changing.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:28 PM   #44
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don't jump to conclusions. I can't deny or confirm anything, but things are always changing.
Very cool. It'd be nice to see if some sort of agreement can come with Stan about Usagi for Seasons 2 or 3.

Also it'd be nice to see Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang (as in the character himself) all show up in Season 2...but that's for another topic.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:42 PM   #45
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I always liked Pinky McFingers. If he doesn't appear in season 2, then you guys are crazy, Ciro.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:56 AM   #46
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You know, I'd be fine with Usagi not appearing. We've gotten a lot of good Usagi / Turtles stories already. No adaptation has been able to portray Usagi without compromise (although Usagi is a character who lends himself easily to lighter and softer takes) and here there's the issue that unless he's dramatically changed, this series more stereotypically teenage-like turtles wouldn't be Usagi's peers, which is kind of an essential part of the dynamic. The creative team of the cartoon has made it sort of a mission statement to not retread past elements nilly-willy. Is there any reason to have him show up other than "he's showed up before"?
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:21 AM   #47
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Is there any reason to have him show up other than "he's showed up before"?
Because he's a fan-favorite guest character. Doy.
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You know, I'd be fine with Usagi not appearing. We've gotten a lot of good Usagi / Turtles stories already. No adaptation has been able to portray Usagi without compromise (although Usagi is a character who lends himself easily to lighter and softer takes) and here there's the issue that unless he's dramatically changed, this series more stereotypically teenage-like turtles wouldn't be Usagi's peers, which is kind of an essential part of the dynamic. The creative team of the cartoon has made it sort of a mission statement to not retread past elements nilly-willy. Is there any reason to have him show up other than "he's showed up before"?
Usagi can be shown more stoic.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:19 AM   #49
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having Usagi guest appear is almost tradition
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:29 AM   #50
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don't jump to conclusions. I can't deny or confirm anything, but things are always changing.
Thanks for the heads up, Ciro. I could go either way with this, but in the end, it's Stan's decision whether he wants Usagi in the series or not.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:35 AM   #51
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Was this in reference to Usagi Yojimbo or The Flaming Carrot? O_o
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Because he's a fan-favorite guest character. Doy.
Oh, that. Yeah, I never put much stock in the belief that liking a character was an automatic argument for their inclusion in a work. To me, that's a few precious steps away from the sort of thinking that decides that putting Wolverine in every book or making new Watchmen stories are good ideas.

More important, to me, is the question: would it work in this particular show's particular context. And I don't know the answer to that question, because there hasn't been enough show to make a conclusion.

Does anybody remember Usagi's appearances in the original toon? I don't, and my first reaction is to be skeptical of claims that it worked, given what the old toon was and what Usagi is; sure, Usagi can work in fundamentally comedic stories, but it's a different type of comedy. It's also worth noting that the two Sakai Usagi/TMNT crossovers that are comedic in tone are also short gag strips of the sort that don't lend themselves to twenty-two minute episodes.

Meanwhile, the 4Kids Usagi appearances worked because there was a context set up that allowed them to use Usagi in a way that hadn't been done before and helped develop the turtles' universe by showing in what ways the Battle Nexus was an interdimensional thing.

Will this cartoon allow for that? I'm not sure. There's not a lot that has been developed so far, and their world is not yet a world that supports the sort of interdimensional travel that the crossover would require. Plus, given the fact that the creators apparently felt that the turtles being friends with a twenty-something April didn't work, I'm not exactly confident about their ability to develop a friendship between the turtles and somebody who's even older.
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We are getting a lot of new characters, let look at the glass being half full, not empty!
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Because he's a fan-favorite guest character. Doy.


also it's the closest thing Usagi fans will probably ever see to the rabbit having his own show (I want to see animated Jei)
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:06 AM   #55
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Oh, that. Yeah, I never put much stock in the belief that liking a character was an automatic argument for their inclusion in a work. To me, that's a few precious steps away from the sort of thinking that decides that putting Wolverine in every book or making new Watchmen stories are good ideas.

More important, to me, is the question: would it work in this particular show's particular context. And I don't know the answer to that question, because there hasn't been enough show to make a conclusion.

Does anybody remember Usagi's appearances in the original toon? I don't, and my first reaction is to be skeptical of claims that it worked, given what the old toon was and what Usagi is; sure, Usagi can work in fundamentally comedic stories, but it's a different type of comedy. It's also worth noting that the two Sakai Usagi/TMNT crossovers that are comedic in tone are also short gag strips of the sort that don't lend themselves to twenty-two minute episodes.

Meanwhile, the 4Kids Usagi appearances worked because there was a context set up that allowed them to use Usagi in a way that hadn't been done before and helped develop the turtles' universe by showing in what ways the Battle Nexus was an interdimensional thing.

Will this cartoon allow for that? I'm not sure. There's not a lot that has been developed so far, and their world is not yet a world that supports the sort of interdimensional travel that the crossover would require. Plus, given the fact that the creators apparently felt that the turtles being friends with a twenty-something April didn't work, I'm not exactly confident about their ability to develop a friendship between the turtles and somebody who's even older.
I am afraid, I have to disagree with you here in one point..this turtles show uses april as a much younger female character because it shall attract little girls to the series and they felt storywise it would be of benefit if they all shared about the same age as having to cross certain barriers of growing up I guess(although that a mutant would have a whole different set of worries one might think of problems with pimples for instance)and share similar expperiences in this world(again, to a degree perhaps only)...

the thing that is didn't work out if april was a grown up and was seen as a kind of weird concept came from various fans talking about this online to my knowledge...apropos:I have never seen a problem there, from way back then I have never felt there was any kind of unpleasant weirdness in that..don't know where that stemms from?...
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:22 AM   #56
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Does anybody remember Usagi's appearances in the original toon? I don't, and my first reaction is to be skeptical of claims that it worked, given what the old toon was and what Usagi is; sure, Usagi can work in fundamentally comedic stories, but it's a different type of comedy. It's also worth noting that the two Sakai Usagi/TMNT crossovers that are comedic in tone are also short gag strips of the sort that don't lend themselves to twenty-two minute episodes.
I was just watching those episodes last night on my DVD player, and the more I thought about it the more I realized just why Usagi was only in two episodes. Stan probably didn't approve of his character's depiction by Fred Wolf Films, so he must've forbid them to ever use Usagi again.
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I always liked Pinky McFingers. If he doesn't appear in season 2, then you guys are crazy, Ciro.
Of all the mob boss including the namless one in the 2003 cartoon only Big Louie appealed to me. The parody of the Prohibiton area Italian Mob Boss who had a vendetta against Leave It To Beaver. He can be somewhat serious opposed to the other mob characters.

As for the Hokum Hare mention. I thought about it before but did not post it. He was a decent character,but he is not Usagi. I do think Usagi would fit in Year 3 of IDW quite nicely. Anyone want to start an ipetetiton to get him in? Just an idea!
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Hokum Hare was an insult to the memory of OT Usagi. I hated the character for that and several other reasons.
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I am afraid, I have to disagree with you here in one point..this turtles show uses april as a much younger female character because it shall attract little girls to the series and they felt storywise it would be of benefit if they all shared about the same age as having to cross certain barriers of growing up I guess(although that a mutant would have a whole different set of worries one might think of problems with pimples for instance)and share similar expperiences in this world(again, to a degree perhaps only)...

the thing that is didn't work out if april was a grown up and was seen as a kind of weird concept came from various fans talking about this online to my knowledge...apropos:I have never seen a problem there, from way back then I have never felt there was any kind of unpleasant weirdness in that..don't know where that stemms from?...
Oh--I'd never thought of that. I'm assuming that the creators are on the record as to this being the reason for the change? If so, it makes a bit more sense, even if I'm not sure I agree with the reasoning.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:30 AM   #60
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not cool they should put him in he would be kick but in this series
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