04-23-2017, 08:54 AM | #1 |
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Marvel's "Rebirth": Marvel Legacy
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04-23-2017, 10:11 AM | #2 |
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I'm glad we're finally getting rid of the SJW-bait characters.
Spidey is still gonna be f*cked. Slott's not going anywhere. Bendis is thankfully off GOTG tho. |
04-28-2017, 12:07 AM | #3 | |
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That's not happening nor should it.
The "SJW" characters are among Marvel's best sellers right now. It always strikes me as completely ridiculous that people who see a problem with how Marvel is doing commercially think the way to fix this is to cancel books that are selling. I don't know how many times I've seen people who are angry that Fantastic Four (a book which hadn't sold well in decades) doesn't have a book but Moon Girl (which sells well in trade) is on the shelves. Hey I'd love the FF to return and haven't even tried Moon Girl myself but it's such a stupid argument. Quote:
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Also, you might want to read this http://www.comicsbeat.com/titling-at...comics-anyway/ Do yourself a favor and read the web essay "Shut The F*ck Up Marvel" also http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1362725 The description from the website: Quote:
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05-10-2017, 01:25 PM | #5 |
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Apparently most of the established writers are staying on their respective books during Legacy, so this isn't going to be that big a shake-up
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05-24-2017, 11:57 AM | #6 |
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Sure, the All-New, All-Different era wasn't exactly a huge blockbuster success and sales where down compared to what they were three years ago and yet for most of that era no one seemed to care or make a big deal about it seemingly brushing it off as the normal ebbs and flows of comic book publishing until Rebirth happened and like every time DC overtakes Marvel in sales people run around claiming the sky is falling and that Marvel is done but this time it also had a nasty undercurrent of disgruntled fans salivating over the prospect of getting rid of the "diversity" characters in order to compete with DC. Of course DC was only #1 publisher for a handful of months before Marvel regained the top spot. If people think Marvel is flopping and their sales are plummeting that's fair enough (I'd disagree) but the idea that a long term fix is to emulate a company which is currently selling less than them seems foolish. Obviously Marvel is going to try their own version of Rebirth because enhanced sales for a few months is still appealing but frankly Marvel already had tried their own Rebirth years ago with the Heroic Age which tried to do a lot of what DC is currently trying to do and the results were largely underwhelming as was laying off big events during that period. As much as they've become a bane of comic book fans (at least if the internet is to be believed) events sell and have been doing for the past few decades, even Civil War II which was decidedly meh sold well for Marvel. I can't really fault Marvel for doing what sells. Quote:
I have little doubt there will be one but I doubt Marvel is going to give it away. As you might guess I'm rather unipressed with Rebirth but the least compelling aspect is the whole Watchmen connection. If Legacy doesn't have anything like that and it's simply bringing back a the likes of Steve Rogers and Odinson to their classic roles would it really be such a bad thing? Last edited by Galactus; 06-23-2017 at 08:53 PM. |
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The estimates on sales are also as subjective as comic quality. Just the last week there were conflicting reports on what did better last month...DC's ''The Button'' or Marvel's Secret Empire. Quote:
I don't collect every DC title, some either don't appeal to me or they started off giving me what I wanted but eventually stopped, but the stories are still of a high calibure compared to Marvel's incessantly poor treatment of their characters as well as their political soapboxing that go way over younger reader's heads and raise the ire of people who just want good superhero stories. There's a reason I prefer the objectively silly and contrived ASM newspaper strip over most of what Marvel produce these days. It's stupid in a fun way, it focuses on positive relationships between characters I'm fond of, and it has heroes acting like heroes and solving a very basic good vs evil problem
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06-24-2017, 05:00 AM | #12 |
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This is true. I remember years ago a TMNT book sold abnormally high (or maybe it was low, can't recall). I wrote to Bobby Curnow to ask if anyone at IDW was likewise perplexed, but he said it had really only sold about the usual number of copies.
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06-27-2017, 02:38 PM | #13 |
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It should go without saying but I'm not arguing that sales equal quality but for the record on that issue I quite liked the All-New, All Different era, I'm not saying it was the best era of Marvel by a long shot but there was enough there that I liked. The fact they were selling well but not as much as the Marvel Now era actually sounds about right to me. I've said it before but I remain unimpressed with Rebirth. I know I'm in a minority with that but then again since their sales have dipped from their launch high then maybe I'm not as alone in that as I think As for the sales themselves at this point people can spin them whichever way they want. I've heard it argued reasonably well that the two majors are about even. Whichever way you look at it though whether Marvel is on top or the two companies are neck and neck the idea that idea that something is drastically wrong with one of them and the only thing that can fix it is to copy the other is foolish. Quote:
I also find that the argument that classic heroes are poorly treated to be overstated. Secret Empire is looking to be a good story and Steve Rogers will be normal again after it's all over as will Odinson and Tony Stark after it serves the story to have them back. Quote:
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I've long said that the best approach for Marvel would be to stay the creative course. The classic heroes would have returned to their definitive roles in their own time anyway. I don't think Marvel really needed their own Rebirth for that. Even commercially they aren't in the poor position DC was with DCYou that they need it but of course they are going to do a Rebirth to get a sales boost and help ease tensions in a particular market they aren't doing as well in. However given the comments from retailers at the last summit I'm not sure I'm comfortable pandering to them. Last edited by Galactus; 06-28-2017 at 02:35 PM. |
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07-06-2017, 01:42 PM | #16 |
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Marvel Legacy rumour round up
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07...e-marvel-2018/ The major creative changes may come following some of the titles reaching their anniversary numbers - Ta-Nehisi Coates may take over Captain America from #700 or #701. -Dan Slott will write up to Amazing Spider-Man #800 and then step aside to make way for Nick Spencer -Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic will take over Avengers in the spring, as they are preparing a long-term build to their run. There will be a major Avengers event later in the year involving Thanos, though it is not specified if he will be an antagonist. -Chip Zdarsky may write Marvel Two-In-One |
09-25-2017, 10:03 AM | #17 |
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The returning character in Marvel Legacy is
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