Sexual Allegations Thread.

[Autbot_Benz]

we already know what Al Franken did he also apolgized and said he would cooperate with any investigation regarding it.


What about President P***y Grabber and the 16 women that have accused him and Roy Moore the Pedo

[plastroncafe]

It's kind of nice to see so many people care about this issue.
I just have to try really hard to fool myself into thinking they care because sexual harassment is wrong, and not because "One of theirs did it!"

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Not to derail this topic, but I wonder, how much probability that "keyboard-progressives" will give this news a proper attention?

They love to tell how all conservatives are hypocrites, but I wonder what are they gonna do about when hypocrites are one of "their own"?

Only when it's politically convenient of course. The fact that you have the New York Times:

In this #MeToo moment, when we’re reassessing decades of male misbehavior and turning open secrets into exposes, we should look clearly at the credible evidence that Juanita Broaddrick told the truth when she accused Clinton of raping her

, the Washington Post:

The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton...

Yet despite the right’s evident bad faith, I agree with Hayes. In this #MeToo moment, when we’re reassessing decades of male misbehavior and turning open secrets into exposes, we should look clearly at the credible evidence that Juanita Broaddrick told the truth when she accused Clinton of raping her. But revisiting the Clinton scandals in light of today’s politics is complicated as well as painful. Democrats are guilty of apologizing for Clinton when they shouldn’t have. At the same time, looking back at the smear campaign against the Clintons shows we can’t treat the feminist injunction to “believe women” as absolute.

, Vox:

Over the past 18 months, the combination of an excellent profile by Katie J.M. Baker and a cynical stunt by the Trump campaign has prompted a reconsideration of Juanita Broaddrick’s allegation that Bill Clinton raped her in 1978.

This is an important conversation to have, due to both the serious nature of the charges and their interplay with the commonplace progressive idea that we should “believe women” when they come forward with allegations of sexual assault.

, and the Atlantic:

"The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton"
...
“The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history, and there are consequences for that.”

are all now throwing the Clintons under the bus after the 2016 election to preserve the tattered remains of their reputations, shows their apparent "concern" for women when this behavior of Bill Clinton was already reported back in the 90s, and was reminded again before the 2016 election. Ironic, considering what Hillary stated on Twitter in November 2015: "Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported."

...Yet this clip of The View before the 2016 election, portrays how Clinton's accusers were considered comedic fodder since it wasn't politically convenient to do so at the time:

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Rurouni Kenshin creator charged with possessing child pornography: https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-c...d-p-1820633519

Wow incredibly sad and messed up. A person with such talents and someone who is looked up to by many does this....

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's kind of nice to see so many people care about this issue.
I just have to try really hard to fool myself into thinking they care because sexual harassment is wrong, and not because "One of theirs did it!"

Yup.
Totally because people care about the issue, and not partisan politics.
Because Sexual Harassment of anyone is wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

"Tekashi69" is accused of being a child fondler.

http://www.hiphopmyway.com/g/6ix9ine...2k2eGhwZG5weDY



Also in news, fire is hot.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

Only when it's politically convenient of course.

As expected. As long as you are useful to anyone - everything will be buried and forgotten. As soon as you no longer needed - time to remember all your crimes.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yup.
Totally because people care about the issue, and not partisan politics.
Because Sexual Harassment of anyone is wrong.

PlastronCafe-ception? Or interesting case of dual-personality, when a person have a conversation with themself?

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Not to derail this topic, but I wonder, how much probability that "keyboard-progressives" will give this news a proper attention?

I swear, all you ever seem to post about in this section are progressives, SJW's or whatever terminology can be put in scare quotes.

People are talking about it, but reaction's varied. Obviously, what I see comes down to comment sections and different reactions across the net, but going by that, you've got a small number of hypocrites, some folks who still think the whole thing was a witch hunt, plenty of people doing some soul searching, people who say this is bad but was necessary at the time for political reasons - which, if they nail Republicans to the wall for it, is hypocritical, but unless you check each ones comment history you don't know which ones are being hypocrites - and finally, the people who agree it's terrible but are disgusted at the people doing the soul searching or turning on the accused because they wish the left were more like the right and just supported their side no matter what. I think if I hear the old chestnut of "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" one more time I'm going to hurl. Much as I wish the left came together a bit stronger most of the time, I much prefer not falling in lockstep and never questioning things.

Short Version: The left is not a monolithic entity.

What about President P***y Grabber and the 16 women that have accused him and Roy Moore the Pedo

Dude, those guys are monsters, I agree a hundred percent, but whataboutism isn't a good response.

are all now throwing the Clintons under the bus after the 2016 election to preserve the tattered remains of their reputations

People were starting to throw them under the bus even before this, let's not kid ourselves. That's what happens when you lose to the worst candidate in history that a majority of the country hated coming in. People question if you're still worth listening to.

The reminder of the specifics of the Clinton scandals - and lets not forget, most people forgot the allegations were more than just the extramarital affair the impeachment proceedings centered around - just made it worse.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by dl316bh

I swear, all you ever seem to post about in this section are progressives, SJW's or whatever terminology can be put in scare quotes.

I am just sick of Left hypocrisy.
They fighting for something good, but some of them doing it in such way that it alienates and puzzles everyone. And despite their claims that they are "morally and intellectually" superior to the Right, they gladly use Rights rhetoric and methods when convenient, including fear-mongering, denial of reality and science, and the like.

I am liberal in many of my beliefs and hearing those people saying that they want to do something good, while at the same time acting not all that different from those who they say, they are fighting against, saddens and infuriates me.

Originally Posted by dl316bh

Short Version: The left is not a monolithic entity.

Thanks, Cap.

[dl316bh]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I am just sick of Left hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy sucks, but you're never going to find a side/party/group/ideology/whatever without a little bit of it, because we're all human and we're all a little bit hypocritical, because we're all complicated. If nothing else, allowing itself to take root in you and become something you fixate on doesn't help either way, it just frustrates you. Might be worth it to take a step back?

This isn't me being sarcastic or a dick, if it's not clear.

I am liberal in many of my beliefs

I know. You've mentioned it in several threads. Since I don't know you that well, I take you at your word. I'm not insinuating you're, I don't know, a "fake liberal" or troll or whatever.

Thanks, Cap.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

we already know what Al Franken did he also apolgized and said he would cooperate with any investigation regarding it.


What about President P***y Grabber and the 16 women that have accused him and Roy Moore the Pedo

Originally Posted by dl316bh

Dude, those guys are monsters, I agree a hundred percent, but whataboutism isn't a good response.

He also used that sort of justification for Ben Affleck ...

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Get over What Affleck did already he apologized and Affleck would follow the lead of his friend Kevin Smith and donate the residuals of any of his Weinstein-backed films to Film Independent or to RAINN, an anti-sexual assault organization that runs the National Sexual Assault hotline.

... and Jason Mamoa:

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Who cares he was commenting on the show he was working on Game Of Thrones which probably had some rape scenes in the show do to the fictional time period . Christ Women like Pappenbrook get triggered about every little thing.

Also like Affleck He Apologized

Additionally, he created an insulting tag (papenbrooktriggered) just because I was upset about this whole situation.
I was sending condolences and wishing recoveries, and as a response, he created that crude and semi-misogynistic tag? While also being disrespectfully sexist towards me and other people who were possibly affected by this?! Honestly, I was getting agitated at that point.

I'm starting to think that he doesn't really care about the victims' vital well-being nor their possible recovery/safety. I think he cares more about people he seemingly hates getting (rightfully) called out and punished. He doesn't call out his problematic faves, however. He just uses their non-apology apologies (and whatever else they "promise" to do) as evidence that they've had sincere regrets and that they'll completely reform.

Don't take half of what he says seriously.

For everyone else, this is not a partisan issue. This is a human rights issue. Let's try to focus on the victims.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yup.
Totally because people care about the issue, and not partisan politics.
Because Sexual Harassment of anyone is wrong.

They say talking to yourself does not mean your crazy, but only if you respond back to yourself.

Sorry don't think I have ever seen someone talk to themselves on this forum

I do agree sexual harassment/abuse is wrong no matter who does it and justice should be fair and not for the rich or powerful. Including past and present presidents

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

He also used that sort of justification for Ben Affleck ...




... and Jason Mamoa:




Additionally, he created an insulting tag (papenbrooktriggered) just because I was upset about this whole situation.
I was sending condolences and wishing recoveries, and as a response, he created that crude and semi-misogynistic tag? While also being disrespectfully sexist towards me and other people who were possibly affected by this?! Honestly, I was getting agitated at that point.

I'm starting to think that he doesn't really care about the victims' vital well-being nor their possible recovery/safety. I think he cares more about people he seemingly hates getting (rightfully) called out and punished. He doesn't call out his problematic faves, however. He just uses their non-apology apologies (and whatever else they "promise" to do) as evidence that they've had sincere regrets and that they'll completely reform.

Don't take half of what he says seriously.

For everyone else, this is not a partisan issue. This is a human rights issue. Let's try to focus on the victims.

go back to your safe space on tumblr

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

They say talking to yourself does not mean your crazy, but only if you respond back to yourself.

Sorry don't think I have ever seen someone talk to themselves on this forum

Ya know if you read what was posted in between her two posts you realize she was making a point

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

go back to your safe space on tumblr https://i.imgur.com/UIBlofE.gif

Why are you being such a dick?

Quit spewing toxic ****

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

Ya know if you read what was posted in between her two posts you realize she was making a point

Shhh, don't distract them

[dl316bh]

How dare you insinuate I am easily distracted, I am the picture of attentiveness.

Except when someone dangles shiny keys.

[Katie]

I don’t even know why this is a political issue at all. Sexual abuse is gross no matter who did it. I don’t give a crap what party they affiliate with.

Here in Alabama, the whataboutism and protection of the “party” is astounding in connection with Moore. People would rather vote for a sleezy old Bible Thumper than a Democrat because “Teh Libs!!!!”

So freakin gross.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Katie

I don’t even know why this is a political issue at all. Sexual abuse is gross no matter who did it. I don’t give a crap what party they affiliate with.

It becomes political, when harassers are politics.
And especially, since people are incapable of separating people from their ideology and use any opportunity to promote their agenda (i.e. Republican senator is harasser - then all Republicans are hypocrites and monsters).

Originally Posted by dl316bh

Hypocrisy sucks, but you're never going to find a side/party/group/ideology/whatever without a little bit of it, because we're all human and we're all a little bit hypocritical, because we're all complicated. If nothing else, allowing itself to take root in you and become something you fixate on doesn't help either way, it just frustrates you. Might be worth it to take a step back?

This isn't me being sarcastic or a dick, if it's not clear.

I agree, with you.

My situation is a bit complicated - I live in Russia, which it is very backwards country, which with each year pushed back into medieval times. Propaganda fuels hatred for everyone who are not like "majority" here and a lot of things which are taken in the West as normal, like respect for the women or gays, are absent here or pressured into non-existence. They are considered "Western poisonous values, that degrade Honest and Kind Russian people into morally rotten animals" and that pretty much a direct citation of words that TV hosts speak on our TV day after day.

Because of this any discussion that had something to do about women or gay turned into shitshow of epic proportions. And the whole situation in the country only getting worse, with little to no hope for something better. I hoped that Western Liberals, who are claiming to be smarter and more honest, are actually different, but the more I have learnt about them the more I was disappointed with them.

TL;DR
I hoped to finally find like-minded people, while living in the country with very very conservative values, and ended with people who in many ways do the same thing as the people who I dislike. Which confuses and disappoints me, because, it means that it's hard to trust or understand people at all.

[Papenbrook]

Two more women have accused Al Franken of sexual misconduct.