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Yeah I'm not surprised by this video. I can see why it would upset some. I wonder what Peter Laird thinks of them adding a female Turtle? I did point out in the comments of the video that Turtles has been popular recently, it's not faded in popularity right now anyway. Not a fan of IDW and the sales figures Jeremy shows aren't exactly inspiring. Part of the problem with IDW's TMNT as a comic is that it borrows too much from previous iterations, in this case Venus. I just kind of wish they did more of their own thing.
I remember was it last year (?) I made a thread where I asked what would happen if they created a female Turtle, whether it was being done for SJW purposes and whether fans would end up being seen as mysgnositic for simply not wanting massive changes to the source material. I don't think many chimed in with an answer. I'm sure someone can find the thread if they wanted to. Quote:
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07-19-2019, 01:29 PM | #42 |
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I don't think he said that. Did he say that? If so, why?
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And I don't agree with the recycling sentiment either. An artist working on a TMNT comic did some original TMNT artwork on a personal basis that she later used as a starting point when called upon to come up with a professional sketch of a new TMNT character? *gasp* Shocking! How many different ways and colors can a female ninja turtle be drawn, anyway? It's hardly like doing a background character in Frieza's army for DBZ. Last edited by ChosenOne; 07-19-2019 at 02:21 PM. |
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07-19-2019, 02:20 PM | #44 |
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It hardly matters. Why can't there be a female turtle? And technically its not even a new charactere. It's just Jennika. What rules in this universe prohibit this? Nothing far as I can see. It all comes down to the fans being anal and not liking change. Even if the change is inoffensive (at least not offensive yet). Its just a text book example of people looking for boogymen in the dark so hard that they start making up shapes out of nothing. For the sake of argument though I do predict that Jennika won't remain a turtle forever. The IDW team probably saw the failure of Venus as a challenge. Prove it. Speaking of change. Its something most fans don't want. Remember when fans were screaming because the Shredder wasn't going to be in Rise? So if nothing else IDW is giving them everything they want but with a new twist. Last edited by Dejablue; 07-19-2019 at 02:34 PM. |
07-19-2019, 02:44 PM | #45 |
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There can be. My question was intended to help get an understanding of why he felt that was something they "had to do." Like, why would they possibly have to do that? On the basis of what, exactly?
But I also don't think he said that.
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07-19-2019, 02:55 PM | #46 |
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I dig the self-imposed challenge angle. Let's face it, the franchise isn't going anywhere even if this development falls flat (which it won't) since it has already bounced back from much worse. And at some point down the line, someone else would take a crack at incorporating a female turtle into the mythos. Why not let the people whose track record has been spotless and successfully meshed together so many disparate elements of TMNT history have a go at it? If they can't make it work, then quite honestly no one can. And they probably wanted to test themselves and see if they could indeed make it work.
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07-19-2019, 02:59 PM | #47 |
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I wouldn't call IDW's track record spotless. But they are certainly not 'rubbish'. Far from it.
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07-19-2019, 03:25 PM | #48 |
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The Quartering is a guy who constantly cries about SJW-ism in just about everything comic book related. Not sure why anyone takes his criticism seriously.
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07-19-2019, 05:11 PM | #49 |
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That was part of the criticism with the Next Mutation design so I find it ridiculous that they want boobs now. Honestly, it didn't make sense then and it certainly wouldn't make sense now.
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07-19-2019, 05:25 PM | #50 |
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Its funny because no one complained when Alopex didn't have any boobs. Yet they are now complaining that a female mutant turtle doesn't have any.
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07-19-2019, 05:46 PM | #52 |
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Oh I’ve definitely seen people complain about Alopex’s design.
I’ve also seen people complain about Jennika wearing pants. People will complain about anything.
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Found it, maybe I'm misinterpreting?: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...54235&page=147
Post 2932 "I can only speak for myself, but fan reaction isn't something that I ever think about, so folks reactions to Venus in the past isn't anything I worried about. I can't speak for Tom, but I know he's felt it important to have a female Turtle for a while. I think it's as simple as that!" Quote:
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07-19-2019, 11:11 PM | #54 |
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Whether or not Alopex has boobs is entirely dependent on who's drawing her. Sophie drew her without wrappings and no boobs, but Santolouco definitely drew her with them while under wraps. Regardless, she has a pretty feminine figure so I don't think anyone ever mistook her for a boy. Most people who I've shown Koya for the first time assumed they were a guy.
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07-19-2019, 11:20 PM | #55 |
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Depending on who you ask, some would say that Sophie's (Ross at the time) deign of Alopex in her micro made her clearly furry bait.
I mean I still see some people that prefer her more animalistic design from Raph's micro and Santa's design,to Sophies.
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07-20-2019, 12:16 AM | #56 |
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I think she looked fine in her micro. It was her Northhampton look that I think made her too cute and attracted the tumblr/furry crowd. Right now I think my favorite look for her is in the two part TMNT Universe where she and Raph infiltrated Null's labs. Santolouco's design is alright but has one major problem, and that's that he draws her (and the turtles) really short, and when they're standing side by side with human characters it looks pretty awkward. I really don't think the animalistic design pre-micro fit her character much. She was too monstrous and looked more like a wolf than a fox. And with there being so many monstrous Foot mutants (literally all of them besides Alopex), it was nice to have at least one who looked like they fit the role of "ninja".
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07-20-2019, 01:37 AM | #57 |
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Playing devil's advocate but actually it would make sense now, more than in NT:TNM. Now I'm anti-shell boobs entirely and wouldn't want to see them anywhere period (now 4-6 boobs on Alopex, as probably there would be? maybe).. but Jennika is a human becoming turtle, not a turtle becoming a big turtle, which is what happened to the main Turtles in IDW as well as NT:TNM. Could be some latent human DNA doing weird stuff there, no?
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Also can you guys stop using my old name for like 5 minutes?
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