DC Relaunching AGAIN

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

It starts with #78. How many issues did it cover? So far its great! I recommend continuing until editorial inevitably butts in and interfers. Dick is set to visit Jon next and in March Wally visits for two issues. Looks like Barbara Gordon is allowed to continue as a supporting cast in addition to being in Batgirls

I've been following the comic a bit beyond the trades. I'm not big on Dick teaming with fake Jon, but the Wally crossover I am keenly anticipating. Also love that he has a great relationship with Babs again.

As for Lucius, I just don't know what the deal is with him, shouldn't Bruce be in the clear by now with his fortune with Tynion's run finished?

[ZariusTwo]

ROFL, anyone see what King did to Guy Gardner in Human Target?

Spoiler:

He stalks his sweetheart Ice, uses his power ring to beat up Chris Chance, then allows Chris to get free shots back at him when Hal arrives and tells him to, and Guy is deeply afraid of Hal when he intervenes.

[MikeandRaph87]

Did this perhaps take place when Guy hit his head on the control console? It would make sense if its a relapse of that otherwise, no CHANCE this is in the main continuity.

[ZariusTwo]

Love how CBR members are butthurt over PKJ's Action run getting 'meh' critic scores for the most recent issue. One guy remarked that Superman was worth more when he was suffering like Spider-Man, and he's seething at these ratings. I couldn't be happier. Bring on Waid's stuff.

I like Johnson fine as a writer, there's nothing really bad about his run, it's an interesting direction to take the book, but it's not the 90s/2000s anymore and today's DC audience have simply tired of any sort of 'gritty' or 'edgy' element in Superman. Years of Injustice and Snyder movies have soured people on the subject. Give us nice, wholesome hopeful stories about the Super-Family. You don't have to get rid of bi-curious adult Jon and his pinko gary stu boyfriend, you can pull a Dragonball Z and have kid and adult Jons share the spotlight, but enough grimdark Superman where people lose faith in him. It's boring.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Bring on Waid's stuff.

Said NO ONE EVER. Waid is historically on of THE all-time WORST Superman writers. The f*cking guy likes Super-Friends! Unironically! He wrote f*cking "BIRTHRIGHT" for God's sake! He's AWFUL (at Superman; he writes a great Flash but he's awful at Superman)!

I haven't read anything recent, but if the current run has even a single person excited about MARK WAID of all people writing Superman again... dear God, the current stuff must be just terrible if HE'S the one who's supposed to salvage it.

Nobody who hates John Byrne's Superman should EVER be allowed to write that character, ever, end of story. F*ck Mark Waid.
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I do concede that the whole "Dark Superman" thing has become a bit OVER done in the last decade or so, and it's probably why Snyder's movies did a lot better with people who don't actually read comics. Seeing Clark struggling and conflicted was a neat new idea for that movie, to people who hadn't already seen Clark "struggling and conflicted" in the comics ever since Kansas got hit during "Our Worlds At War". But if you DID read the comics, and had already gone through that story, and then stuff like "New Krypton", "Grounded", that awful Chuck Austen run, "For Tomorrow", etc. etc., and you also played the Injustice game, and THEN you saw "Man of Steel"... yeah, I can see how to some people, the idea of a "struggling, conflicted" Clark Kent was already starting to wear out its welcome even by that point. And that was a decade ago, practically. Some of those stories were Great ("For Tomorrow"), some of them were awful (the Austen run, "Grounded"), and some were Just Okay ("New Krypton"). But it was already a lot, and now it's been a whole other decade of similar stuff on top of it.

Y'know what I thought was a bridge too far in the whole "mopey sad-sack" thing, was in the first New 52 issue of Superman when they have Clark go visit Lois, and not only is she with another guy but they have Clark overhearing her f*cking the guy as he mopes away. I'm like COME ON, now we're just TRYING to be dour and joyless. That annoyed me more than a lot of other stuff in movies or other media people often cite as examples of being "too much" for the character(s).

Ultimately, despite being a huge fan I'm forced to concede that 1. Nobody actually cares about Superman anymore, at least not in his most oft-recognized and established form, and 2. As a way of keeping him in a position of prominence - more out of obligation than anything else, since they built the entire company on him for half a century before Bat-Mania ever happened - DC feels that they're forced to try and "modernize" the character because it's the only way to entice any sort of audience. Most "legitimate" Superman fans are dead, the character is just a stone's throw away from becoming entirely irrelevant. I've always been the only Superman fan I know in my age group, not counting my wife, and she never cared about him before we met. Nobody younger than me likes the character. 25 years from now, they might just bench him for all we know. The shift to Jon is 100% to try and find a way to have SOME version of Superman they can keep using into the 21st Century, no matter what they claim otherwise.

The "real" Superman no longer has any audience, therefore DC feels their only options are to 1. Change him into something he isn't, so as to become "more interesting", and when that doesn't work, 2. Replace him with his son, who was created as a literal Twitter Checkbox of talking points as to what's "important" in a character. "Better make him gay!" etc. etc.

As to WHY nobody cares about Superman anymore, I can only guess. I don't honestly think it has much to do with the points you've mentioned, as the character already wasn't popular for a long time before any of that became overdone. People didn't give up the books because the character and his stories got "too dark", the books weren't selling already before that and those things were an attempt to try and entice readers by injecting some sort of pathos even if it was forced. Didn't work. But it's not like the Superman readership was any kind of mass exodus in protest of the content or editorial direction; it was more like a slow leak of any "real" Superman fans dying off and the rest just being people who only know Smallville and the Reeve movies. And those people are of a proven Type; they only care when it's a movie or a TV show, otherwise, they don't care about Superman at all. So I hesitate to call them "fans" in the true sense. They weren't fans of the Charcater, they were fans of That Thing The Character Was In That One Time. Which is different.

So while I agree that it wouldn't be a bad time to "lighten up" a little bit, so to speak, and it might make for some more pleasurable reading experiences, I highly doubt it would fix anything on a grand scale for the character. Nobody likes Superman anymore and they haven't truthfully since Batman '89 came out and made Batman the "cooler" character for kids on the playground. There's no going back. "Conflicted" Superman, "Happy" Superman... doesn't matter. People just Do Not Care anymore.

One theory I have is simply that most people can't accept the idea that someone that powerful could also be purely altruistic, which is the entire point of the character. If you refuse to accept the premise, the entire thing falls apart. And in modern times, MOST people do not accept that a character like Superman could exist, they find it absurd on its face. As Coola alluded to in another thread, in most peoples' eyes the Injustice portrayal of Superman is "how it SHOULD be" because "That's the only way a guy like that ever would act, if he had all that power! Nothing else makes any SENSE!" And while I don't like to point it out, the terrible Injustice comics were DC's biggest sellers for a long time, which kind of proves the sick theory that Evil Tyrant Superman is the only one modern audiences would buy into. They sure as sh*t weren't buying the regular books at the same time, not in the numbers they bought the Injustice dreck.

So I think part of it is cultural. Just like how only a few short decades ago the vast majority of people believed in some sort of God, and Now if you say you believe in God people look at you like you're clinically insane because as a society our values have evolved to a point where we see how it was all just fairy tales. But man, tell someone in 1985 you were an atheist, they'd have you locked up (maybe not literally, but you'd definitely be called a Bad Person and nobody would be around you willingly). By that same token, the idea of an all-powerful savior with no sinister ulterior motives was once "quaint and idealistic", but now it's just plain silly. No room for a character like Superman anymore. The world has officially passed the character by. I'm pretty sure there IS no going back.

As I've said many times, ALL pop culture figures are destined to one day wind up on the Shelf Of Irrelevance alongside The Shadow, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Popeye, and others who were once "icons" and now nobody cares about them. That's an inescapable fate. Batman will get there too, one day, it'll just take longer. But people will outgrow Batman and Spider-Man the same way they've slowly but completely outgrown Superman. Unfortunately, as "the First and Greatest" Super-Hero, Superman's tenure alone means that he's going to be the Very First One to get put on that shelf. Some say he's already there. I won't fight them too hard, it's hard to say otherwise.

To be clear, as a huge Superman fan I don't LIKE that. But I've been hearing how "Superman's old-fashioned, that stuff doesn't work anymore" for as long as I've been alive. You can only say "Naaaaaah" and try to find the silver lining for so long before you're forced to accept reality, that nobody but You likes your favorite thing anymore.

Little anecdote: I went to Wal-Mart on Monday for groceries, as usual I decided to swing through the toy aisle. As you'd expect, pretty bare after the Christmas rush. Mostly stuff nobody wanted. I glanced over at the hooks for the "DC Heroes Unite" figures, those little 3.75-scale or whatever ones. They always have a ton of those and they shift stock regularly so I expect they move a good number of them. Usually a good mix of characters, too; mostly Batmans but you'll always find a couple Supermans, a couple Cyborgs, maybe a Flash or two. On this day, however, all they had were the dregs of the post-Christmas rush, all the stuff nobody really wanted.

And what that entailed, was no fewer than 40, possibly 50 Superman figures, just sitting there. Not a single other character to be found in the entire lot. I've honestly never even seen so many Superman figures in one place before. It was like Rose Tico all over again.

And I sighed, and I turned to my wife, and I said with somberness and certainty, "Yeah, nobody likes Superman anymore. It's done." You really can't get much more evidence than a shelf full of four dozen unsold action figures two days after Christmas that a character has become completely irrelevant to the larger world.

So I don't know, they can do what they want with the comics at this point, I guess. The character's over with, nobody cares anymore. We can discuss and debate the Whys and Wherefores forevermore, but the inescapable truth is that regardless of Why, the Superman character simply isn't popular or relevant anymore, and most likely never will be again.

A new writer won't fix that. It's much larger. Cultural. I sincerely believe that.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Said NO ONE EVER. Waid is historically on of THE all-time WORST Superman writers. The f*cking guy likes Super-Friends! Unironically! He wrote f*cking "BIRTHRIGHT" for God's sake! He's AWFUL (at Superman; he writes a great Flash but he's awful at Superman)!

I enjoyed Birthright at the time. Granted I haven't re-read it in yonks

And yeah, Waid's too old school for mainline books and is deeply rooted in silver age appreciation, which is why his Superman/Batman book coming up sort of appeals to me. I don't agree with him on his preferences for Superman, but if I'm not getting anything I want from 'SuperDad' (and I haven't now for five years and counting) I'll take something iconic out of whatever DC passes for 'progressive' for the character nowadays.

I haven't read anything recent

As I said, if you like your Supes a little 'heavy', Johnson's a good fit for that, but for me at this point of Supes' life, and any of the heroes' lives, it's kind of unrealistic for anyone to make the case for a lack of faith in Supes' the way Midnighter and presumably others on the team are presently feeling about him. I know exactly where this is leading to and I don't like it.

Y'know what I thought was a bridge too far in the whole "mopey sad-sack" thing, was in the first New 52 issue of Superman when they have Clark go visit Lois, and not only is she with another guy but they have Clark overhearing her f*cking the guy as he mopes away. I'm like COME ON, now we're just TRYING to be dour and joyless. That annoyed me more than a lot of other stuff in movies or other media people often cite as examples of being "too much" for the character(s).

Oh yeah, I remember exactly where I was when I read that s*it. I had to get out of the house for air at the time. It did'nt break me quite as badly as OMD did in 2007, but it left me feeling dour and silly...like, what was I investing in all this time? I didn't touch another Supes book again until 2015 when they brought in the real Jon.

So I think part of it is cultural. Just like how only a few short decades ago the vast majority of people believed in some sort of God, and Now if you say you believe in God people look at you like you're clinically insane because as a society our values have evolved to a point where we see how it was all just fairy tales. But man, tell someone in 1985 you were an atheist, they'd have you locked up (maybe not literally, but you'd definitely be called a Bad Person and nobody would be around you willingly). By that same token, the idea of an all-powerful savior with no sinister ulterior motives was once "quaint and idealistic", but now it's just plain silly. No room for a character like Superman anymore. The world has officially passed the character by. I'm pretty sure there IS no going back.

I was an atheist for a few years, I'm not quite a born-again bible thumper bunny, but from how I've seen reality unfold around me, I do believe in divine powers at work again. You're only ever absolutely sure when you're absolutely dead

As I've said many times, ALL pop culture figures are destined to one day wind up on the Shelf Of Irrelevance alongside The Shadow, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Popeye, and others who were once "icons" and now nobody cares about them. That's an inescapable fate. Batman will get there too, one day, it'll just take longer. But people will outgrow Batman and Spider-Man the same way they've slowly but completely outgrown Superman

It's arguable Marvel have outgrown Spider-Man because they literally took away the things that made him grow beyond the reach of the writers mentalities. He is continually portrayed as an adolescent man-child nerd loser who can't make ends meet and rarely if ever wins a fight all on his own in the 2010s/2020s. Yeah, sure he's back together with Mary Jane like he ought to be, but the return of his best relationship isn't fixing any of the other issues so far. The closest we've gotten to a mature Peter Parker lately has been whenever Chip Zdarsky writes for him, be it his cameos in Daredevil or in the modern classic Life Story. These are always the exceptions, not the norm, and when they're done, they're done.

To be clear, as a huge Superman fan I don't LIKE that. But I've been hearing how "Superman's old-fashioned, that stuff doesn't work anymore" for as long as I've been alive. You can only say "Naaaaaah" and try to find the silver lining for so long before you're forced to accept reality, that nobody but You likes your favorite thing anymore.

Doctor Who fan here...that s*it died long before they cast Jodie Whittaker. It was massive during Smith's era but nowadays you'll find more people retroactively walk back on that phase and say only David Tennant's era was definitive and now the show is again the sort of thing that gets your ribs kicked in and your lunch money taken away if you happen to say you watch it in the playground.

A new writer won't fix that. It's much larger. Cultural. I sincerely believe that.

Man of Truth, that is your calling.

And it goes back to what I'm saying, I like Johnson as a writer and his vision is bold and loud, and he is absolutely selling himself and it as an exciting time, but the sales aren't there and the direction is just the usual "tear down everything around him and he'll shine like a beacon" and that isn't the answer. But if it isn't, what is?

[MikeandRaph87]

Waid made a name for himself by taking Flash and having him grow out of the shadow of his mentor and made the mantle his own. He credits a Legion of Super Heroes arc that introduced Mordru as the inspiration for everything he writes. Most writers cannot write just any character no matter how good they are. All writers have feels or inspiration they draw from. Some iys political like Alan Moore's government commentary or Tom King thinking every costumed hero has PTSD. Morrison has 50s and 60s with an intellectual perspective that only his trippy mind understands. I mean if I am assigned to write a comic it would have Silver and Bronze Ages inspiration and I cannot write just any character. There would be a focus on Bruce, Dick, and Barbara, super villains, and detective work.

I have 4 Waid Flash stories Born to Run, Gorilla Warfare, Return of Barry Allen, Hell to Pay. All are very good, but I may prefer Geoff Johns for his expanding on the villains that Waid did not use much. See, its the classic villains and sidekicks that pull me in. Not interested in modern supporting heroes.


Reading all of this reminds me of a recommendation from here I got last week and need to read James Robinson's The Golden Age. I understand there was meant to be a sequel The Silver Age, but The New Frontier is basically The Silver Age which would make it repetitive. Is there anything commemorating The Bronze Age? That is my favorite era.

[Leo656]

Oh GOD. "The Golden Age" may very well be THE best Elseworlds of all time. It deserves to be canon, except for the fact a few characters die in it who are very much Not Dead in the present day. Aside from that, though? Amazing book.

Oh, but lots of the text boxes are written in script, as they're meant to be pages from someone's journals. And it's not brief. That kinda sucks, good luck with that part.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Oh GOD. "The Golden Age" may very well be THE best Elseworlds of all time. It deserves to be canon, except for the fact a few characters die in it who are very much Not Dead in the present day. Aside from that, though? Amazing book.

Oh, but lots of the text boxes are written in script, as they're meant to be pages from someone's journals. And it's not brief. That kinda sucks, good luck with that part.

Of all the Elseworlds? That is quite a statement! I honestly never thought about it, but Justice, Batgirl Year One, and Infinite Crisis are my favorite miniseries with an honorable mention to Blackest Night.

I know the spoiler about the senator's true identity as you mentioned it before, but I don't think it is taking away from it. Maybe not the OMG I felt when I saw Empire Strikes Back still waiting to happen, but I like the first issue.

Dyna-Man? I wonder if this inspired the stupid lost JLA founder, Triumph idea? The astronaut turned senator that was really the lead Imperium pulling strings in the Justice League opener is clearly inspired by this.

Doing a lot of reading is fine, I mean, its clearly for comic fans as a tribute to how it all unfolded and mirroring real-life events. I am a History teacher after all.

[ZariusTwo]

Nightwing is CBR's pick for best comic of 2021


https://www.cbr.com/cbr-top-100-comics-of-2021-10-1/

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Nightwing is CBR's pick for best comic of 2021


https://www.cbr.com/cbr-top-100-comics-of-2021-10-1/

Kudos to CBR for picking something that was not political or third party artsy crap. I have always had a problem with Dick Grayson as Nightwing because he is the definitive sidekick and like Wally West, a legacy that is destined to take on his mentor's mantle and make it his own and better, yet as Nightwing there is no solid direction. I will read anything which he is Robin or Batman. Dick Grayson is like John Stewart, they are hard to put into title leads, but flourish in ensembles. Allowing the pool of characters such as Barbara Gordon, Tim Drake, Wally West, Jon Kent to interact with him and not allowing the Bat events interfere, but actually have the story contained and actually culminate in the Nighwing title to its climax have made this title thrive. Nightwing has had lows worse than most characters in individual titles, I still cant read the name 'Bruce Jones' without wanting to scream and there is the whole Ric Grayson thing.

It started right when Tomasi was yanked off Detective Comics unexpectedly so it was good timing to replace an ongoing. Detective is doing a weekly event? I thought with that kook Tamaki writing fan-fiction for people like her (sounds like Campbell ) that Detective would been hitting a low point!

[ZariusTwo]

For DCAU fans, be sure to scoop up the climax to Justice League Infinity this week, there's the use of the life equation, plenty of helpings of WonderBat, and while it doesn't fully resolve the Shay/John drama, it finally ties up his relationship with Vixen.

[MikeandRaph87]

I just finished reading Golden Age Secret Files as a book end, Clark Kent is assigned to investigate The Crimson Avenger and the idea that they inspire each other in a time loop is . Though the idea that The Crimson Avenger fights to avenge a man's death who has not been born yet. It can be taken as anyone who is yet to be and tragically pass on. To decrease tragedy and death overall, not Superman in particular as we all know was not dead but in a coma-like state.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

not Superman in particular as we all know was not dead but in a coma-like state.

False. A few writers have tried to "walk back" his death in such a manner way after the fact, but their opinion does not supersede that of Dan Jurgens, the primary writer of the "Death of..." story. And he's always maintained that Superman died.

In the "Day of Doom" mini-series Jurgens wrote for the 10-year anniversary, he attempted to put the issue to bed once and for all with a scene featuring Batman and Superman discussing what had happened. Superman posits the "I wasn't 'really' dead, though... right?" angle, and Batman immediately refutes him with, "No, we just told ourselves that to make ourselves feel better, because we didn't want to accept that you were gone and THEN we couldn't explain how you came back."

In-story, "he was just in a coma" was a coping mechanism for the characters because there was no way to explain or accept a dead person becoming not-dead-anymore. In real life, it was writers trying to put their own spin on the story years afterwards, probably because they didn't like the supernatural angle inherent in a dead person being revived. Either way, it wasn't their story to try and retcon. Jurgens's word trumps theirs, as he created Doomsday and did most of the heavy lifting during the entire Death/Return event. If there's a "word of God" about that story, it's either his or Mike Carlin's. Nobody else's.

Even back in the day, right after Superman was revived they did a story with Phantom Stranger, where he also states in no uncertain terms that Superman was previously dead. Stranger would know, seeing who he works for and everything.

Also, lest we forget, the "Blackest Night" event also explicitly made clear that Superman had been dead once upon a time. Not "almost dead", not "in a state that kind of looked like death." Dead-dead. Until he wasn't anymore. Point of fact, it was sort of a crucial part of that entire storyline, since nobody'd ever come back from the dead before he did it and how that sort of messed with the natural order of things afterwards.

So yeah, the "he was in a coma" stuff is nonsense and a retcon. Superman died.

My chosen and preferred reading has always been that the events of Adventures of Superman #500 were real, and not just Jonathon Kent's near-death hallucination or lucid dream, and that Superman explicitly rejected his own death because Pa encouraged him to do so, that he still had more to do. When Clark and Jon head back through the tunnel, and Jon wakes up from his near-fatal heart attack and says "I brought him back," it's written so that you can take it literally or not but I feel the material is much more powerful if you take it as-presented, that their souls really did meet on their way to the afterlife and subsequently they helped each other find their way back. It's a better and more emotionally-moving story that way. But it kind of necessitates that Clark's soul had already left his body, otherwise it doesn't work.

Anyways, someone gave you bad intel.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

False. A few writers have tried to "walk back" his death in such a manner way after the fact, but their opinion does not supersede that of Dan Jurgens, the primary writer of the "Death of..." story. And he's always maintained that Superman died.

In the "Day of Doom" mini-series Jurgens wrote for the 10-year anniversary, he attempted to put the issue to bed once and for all with a scene featuring Batman and Superman discussing what had happened. Superman posits the "I wasn't 'really' dead, though... right?" angle, and Batman immediately refutes him with, "No, we just told ourselves that to make ourselves feel better, because we didn't want to accept that you were gone and THEN we couldn't explain how you came back."

In-story, "he was just in a coma" was a coping mechanism for the characters because there was no way to explain or accept a dead person becoming not-dead-anymore. In real life, it was writers trying to put their own spin on the story years afterwards, probably because they didn't like the supernatural angle inherent in a dead person being revived. Either way, it wasn't their story to try and retcon. Jurgens's word trumps theirs, as he created Doomsday and did most of the heavy lifting during the entire Death/Return event. If there's a "word of God" about that story, it's either his or Mike Carlin's. Nobody else's.

Even back in the day, right after Superman was revived they did a story with Phantom Stranger, where he also states in no uncertain terms that Superman was previously dead. Stranger would know, seeing who he works for and everything.

Also, lest we forget, the "Blackest Night" event also explicitly made clear that Superman had been dead once upon a time. Not "almost dead", not "in a state that kind of looked like death." Dead-dead. Until he wasn't anymore. Point of fact, it was sort of a crucial part of that entire storyline, since nobody'd ever come back from the dead before he did it and how that sort of messed with the natural order of things afterwards.

So yeah, the "he was in a coma" stuff is nonsense and a retcon. Superman died.

My chosen and preferred reading has always been that the events of Adventures of Superman #500 were real, and not just Jonathon Kent's near-death hallucination or lucid dream, and that Superman explicitly rejected his own death because Pa encouraged him to do so, that he still had more to do. When Clark and Jon head back through the tunnel, and Jon wakes up from his near-fatal heart attack and says "I brought him back," it's written so that you can take it literally or not but I feel the material is much more powerful if you take it as-presented, that their souls really did meet on their way to the afterlife and subsequently they helped each other find their way back. It's a better and more emotionally-moving story that way. But it kind of necessitates that Clark's soul had already left his body, otherwise it doesn't work.

Anyways, someone gave you bad intel.

http://internettruthdebunked.blogspo...rmans.html?m=1
Did you write this? You took one line and typed five pages of clarification!

I was actually curious about your thoughts on The Crimson Avenger and Superman inspiring each other and how deep or what direction to take the explanation that Crimson Avenger gave Jonny Thunder.

[Leo656]

No, but I wish I had. That person may have gotten paid for theirs, for starters.

To your question I haven't looked at that story in a while so I'd have to look at it again before I could really have an opinion.

[ZariusTwo]

Preview of Mark Waid's World's Finest back-up in Detective Comics

https://www.polygon.com/22876651/bat...-dan-mora-2022

[ZariusTwo]

Seems Wonder Girl may have been cancelled because it was causing offence, and that Yara was a big stonking stereotype

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481790509870096384

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Will Aquaman: The Becoming and Aquamen have a similar fate? It reeks of that as well if not worse. Whatever happened to Garth anyway?

In the newest issue Aquaman meets Amber Heard on a beach. He cheats on Mera with Amber and then gets divorced. Unknowing to him, Amber plots to murder him and to take a dump in his clamshell bed.

It fits right in with the rest of woke $#!( DC!

All kidding aside, I have never seen anyone with a full run of Silver Age Aquaman books.... I'd actually get a real kick out of seeing that compiled.

[MikeandRaph87]

Well Andrew has a complete Green Lantern run no matter who the focus is on, I have the complete Green Lantern; Rebirth through The Green Lantern Season Two, all Hal focused since his return to the mantle. I thought that was impressive.

I do have a complete set of Batman team ups in Brave and the Bold, 59,64,67-200,DC Special#8. Justice League of America volume one 60 on as well as Strange Adventures 75, Action Comics #444, Super Team Family#11-15. Every Batman and Detective Comics published between 1967 to 1984 and a New Teen Titans/Tales volume one set. A few other less impressive or select runs within titles. I am a Silver/ Bronze DC guy.