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You're using this time to be blissfully unaware, heavily indifferent, or even purposefully careless, about the struggles that individuals who are physically, psychologically, mentally, emotionally, and/or intellectually different have within our society.
In fact, you are actively participating in the negative atmosphere that envelopes negative bias around these individuals. You are shrouding them with false stereotypes, microaggressions and misconceptions. You are even making them feel not only unwelcome, but unsafe as well. Please, stop. |
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I'm OK with them being leveled first.
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That's going to be a hard sell to your fellow fans, who are all about a) smaller government, and b) not having to pay for government.
I wish you luck.
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Also, I don't see in this thread people going around saying some negative stuff about potential psychos, save for PC expected stint about "evils of men", which is not so much psychological issue, as social one. If I understand you correctly you want to be sad about psychos killing people and...? What else exactly? Quote:
I don't see people here laughing about it, as well, as I don't see threads making light of psychological problems or whatnot. It seems you just trying to find some reason to be offended on empty spot and can't find exactly why. Can you be more clear with what exactly you want to say, without making useless general statements "we should be nicer to each other"? |
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The world is immoral, and it's getting worse by the minute. So many aspects of society have caused this tragedy, and yet many individuals only focus on/ pay attention to a few aspects. Yes, the regulation of gun control, the socialization of hatred and anger, the corruption of the American governmental system, the protection of American schools and education, the prevention to bullying and discrimination, etc. - they are all important. However, it means absolutely nothing if people are only focusing on a few aspects, or ignoring the most important one. (I will admit, I'm guilty of this as well.) It's depressing, honestly. |
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Look. What do you even think you're doing, or what you're talking about is even doing? It's, realistically, as useless as "thoughts and prayers". "Don't talk about this, it's not the time" is something used to shut down actual discussions of symptoms and causes. It's great that you feel bad for victims and even the people with the mental issues that leads to this stuff, but what is that doing for anyone? It's not a zero sum game. Most people already realize that mental health is an issue contributing too and want that in conjunction. People can keep focus on more than one thing at a time. I try not to say the obvious about these sort of things, or say "thoughts and prayers" or "feeling bad about the victims" or "the mentally ill are a problem too" partly because, yeah, no duh, of course I feel bad, I'm not a sociopath, partly because I'm tired of all this and partly because it feels as much "making it about me" as anything. It's more for feeling better about oneself than anything. It's outright stating an acknowledgement of things, so it doesn't feel like ignoring it, saying a nice sentiment, then moving on with life until the next one. The people affected sure aren't reading these comments anyway; at best, the only people who are are friends or strangers and unless spiritualism is involved we all know good vibes don't do jack. So who is it benefiting, other than making ourselves feel like we're not terrible people, because we didn't just ignore it? We did the bare minimum. It feels hollow to me. We can send all the nice thoughts and sentiment we want, and feel bad for mentally ill people who do these things, but it's not going to change a thing and chastising people actually discussing the problems because reasons is about as useless. At least they want something to change. And yeah, talking about it is doing just as little, but dammit, this makes people mad and angry and frustrated because kids are f***ing dying and no one is taking even the most basic of steps to at least try to do anything about it, which would benefit the people dead a lot more than well wishes or thoughts. Maybe talking about it and getting worked up gets people to vote, and maybe something happens. I don't know. But it isn't any less useful than the alternative. As a side note, even some of the survivors are angry and yelling "do something about this" on social media as well, so, you know, I doubt they'd be too upset. Quote:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...48968?cmpid=sf As a side note, I can remember being in high school, which is a high stress time and not the fun and games people use rose tinted glasses to think of it as. I can tell you one thing that would never have helped me feel better about the possibility of guns in my school, shooting at people, are guns on the premises all the time. And the way some teachers were - and are, in schools across the country - letting THEM have them sounds like an even worse idea. It felt screwed up as it was when Columbine happened at the time I was in middle school, going into high school and suddenly my school was all but locked up tight during class hours on top of rule changes.
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so first Pappenbrook calls me a bigot and than says i get off on gun tragedies.
Hey Pappenbrook **** YOU worthless Pussy . Maybe if you and the Right would stop with the Thoughts and Prayers and actually did something we could help stop these tragedies It wouldn't surprise me if Pappenbrook thinks the killer is misunderstood and would take his side
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The ideological purity your striving for is commendable, but in the end it's just not tenable.
Total War isn't possible. A person is limited the the number of battle fronts they're capable of fighting. And if I can be blunt for a moment, it's not your place to dictate to me what hills I should be defending and for how long. I know my limits, you don't. It's ablelist for you to assume, so please refrain from doing so going forward. We were having a productive conversation, free of personal insults and disparagement prior to your engagement.
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Have fun then, my brave text warrior. I am sure, dead people will be very happy that some psychos were not offended. You know, it's much more important to not offend anyone, instead of saving lives. By chance, have you escaped Demolition Man universe? Actually it sounds like it might be the case. |
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All right.
How about we address the bullying, discrimination, and outright demonization of people who are different a.k.a. not "normal"? Oh now, that might require some actual effort in our not so moral society? How about we address the public safety of our schools? No, too expensive for capitalism. How about we stop promoting violence, hatred, and anger towards each other? No, society's too "good" for that. You know what's sad about the above? It's somewhat easier to apply those things in our society, but we are too selfish to even consider it. |
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If your'e are talking about the number school shootings that stats is misleading. I would be careful looking at information given who polarizing this topic is, especially bc people tend to mislead stats to push their agenda. One of the so called"school shootings" was an adult who committed scuicide in the parking lot, another was an accidental discharge of an officer's weapon. I will try to find the source to prove my point, but that stat is misleading. But regardless one school shooting is too many.
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"It wouldn't surprise me if they thinks the killer is misunderstood and would take his side."
This is something I'm interested in finding out. What were his motivations? Was this something he always wanted to do, but didn't have the skills? Was it the radicalization by the white supremacist enclave inspired him? We can put all the guns we want in our schools, but that's still only putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. We need to build a fence before the drop, and to do that we need to address what was going on with this kid. The vast majority of these things are done by men/boys. Why?
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As an aside, you're doing the same thing you bemoan - making it about you and your worldview and the like - with your list of what you think are the immediate problems and things that need to be fixed and you're topping it off by getting holier than thou about it, to the point where I just realized that four different people with different opinions, including myself, who are often at odds all over this forum all just agreed, so congrats on making history, I guess. Quote:
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Papenbrook, actually talks about solutions, instead "stop being mean"? What happened? A Moon eclipse?
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That's at least part of it and Columbine is probably the flashpoint, but I don't think it's just copycat stuff. Mass shootings, in and out of schools, have exploded in recent years. I suspect that, over time, people just realized it's a hell of a lot easier to wreck havoc with guns, especially given how lax the country is with them, than bother with things like car bombs or the like anymore. That along with the usual societal issues that have simply compounded over time.
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