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Old 03-03-2018, 08:39 PM   #1
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Is IDW Bishop redeemable?

By now, we've had a handful of arcs in the IDW continuity where Bishop is either a major character or even the main villain. True to his role as law enforcement, and enabled by the deep pockets that come with government funding, he remains a proactive, constant threat to the Turtles and their mutant allies. We also know that Agent John Bishop was first introduced into the franchise by the 4kids cartoon and became one of its most successful characters, to the point where he made the jump to a few other adaptations. But in 4kids specifically, Bishop ended up becoming an ally for the Turtles after a long period of violent conflict between them, and they even worked together against common enemies.

I was initially going to phrase my question as "Is IDW Bishop less redeemable than 4kids Bishop?" so feel phrase to take that approach, but the gist of it is: do you think IDW Bishop will ever be redeemed and become an ally to the Turtles, however uneasy and begrudging? Or is he simply too far gone?

I'm genuinely curious to know how other members think things will turn out for him.
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Old 03-03-2018, 08:46 PM   #2
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I think we need to know a bit more about him to be able to know for certain.
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Old 03-03-2018, 08:52 PM   #3
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I think the cyborg that crushes his father with a giant turtle probably isn't going to do so great in the redemption area.

Not everyone can turn tail like Alopex...[tail pun here], and I don't think Bishop will any time soon. Especially since he doesn't appear to have any emotional vulnerabilities at the time.

Krang had the Utroms in stasis and daddy issues.
Shredder had his various betrayals, but Yoshi's most of all
Alopex was a puppet - and has now practically freed herself - earning her redemption.
Stockman takes a "chess" approach to life that's pretty unyielding.
Karai wore herself to the bone to reach her goals and gets no thanks for her efforts.
Koya had lost to Leo on multiple occasions after once trusting him - and now he's taken her ultimate pride as a bird.

Once his weaknesses come around, I think we might go somewhere. He doesn't seem to have any shame in being robotic - at least for the moment.

I don't really have a vote yet, but I still have something to say about it.
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Old 03-03-2018, 08:53 PM   #4
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I think we need to know a bit more about him to be able to know for certain.
That is exactly what I was about to type. We don't know enough to know if it is possible. Did Agent Bishop murder his father or was he a clone who killed Agent Bishop? If he is a clone of himself I suppose the elderly man was redeemed, regretting his life's work. If not and Agent Bishop is a man transferring his consciousness every so often like in the 2003 cartoon and he murdered his father it will be harder to do so. He also did shot first and asked questions later which insighted the whole invasion mess that is going on right now. If he does something noble in the future like in the arc centering around #100, maybe. Time will tell on this one.
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Old 03-04-2018, 09:26 AM   #5
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No.

So far, Bishop shows no humanity or relatable motivation.

Krang wanted to save his species from extinction; Oroku Saki is the reincarnated pawn of Kitsune; Old Hob was an unloved alley cat tortured and tested by scientists; even Alopex, whom I dislike, was mutated against her will and saw her family slaughtered.

Bishop curb-stomped an old man in a wheelchair, tortures, and is mangling Slash's soul.

He's a bad 'un.
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Old 03-04-2018, 11:06 AM   #6
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I think we need to know a bit more about him to be able to know for certain.
I agree, bc as of right now we only know he is a cyborg lunatic
We don't even know if thats the actual agent Bishop.
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Old 03-04-2018, 08:14 PM   #7
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The odd thing is, it’s not that Bishop’s motives are that ‘out there’ even compared to Shredder’s megalomania, Krang’s genocidal impulses, and Stockman’s sociapathic narcisicism. It’s simple, protect earth, no matter the cost. He’s just gone so far so blindly at expense of himself and so many people, literally compromising his humanitiy and his family and earth itself that I don’t think he can make a full redemption, definitely not anything quickly. He’d be a prime candidate for ‘carathartic death’ at the end of this arc if I were betting on such things.
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Old 03-04-2018, 09:58 PM   #8
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I'd parallel Bishop's ambitions with Krang's a little more closely.

Though, the "feel" of their goals are a little different. Krang was pretty much desperate toward the end (in his own...special, grandiose monologue-y way), but Bishop just seems to be on a "protect Earth" mission as a robotic imperative. And he is robotic.

The other thing is, that 2003 Bishop's motives came from a genuine place of terror and trauma. He was actually abducted by aliens in a time where aliens were a near unthinkable concept. Of course he's going to freak out and want to protect other people from such a fate.

But IDW Bishop doesn't really seem to have much motivation for protecting Earth besides it being his job...and a job that he enjoys at that.
It doesn't seem like he cares about Earth in the same way that Krang cared about Utrominion, or cares about honor the way Saki did, or family like Splinter and the turtles do. Protecting Earth is a job that's in his programming. Probably literally in his programming. If he's a full on Terminator-type of robot. Which would...actually make some sense.
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Old 03-05-2018, 08:50 AM   #9
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Also, I'm pretty sure the real Agent Bishop was Bishop Sr... aka curb-stomped wheelchair retiree.

Bishop Jr is a programmed android meant to carry out the legacy of his "father"... but has officially taken it way too far.
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Old 03-05-2018, 09:16 AM   #10
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Oh yeah, Bishop Senior definitely had the heart for protecting Earth - even with it being born in fear of what he saw in Roswell.

Pretty ironic that the machine he made to carry out his work ended up being more dangerous than he wanted.


And...somewhere in that relationship is an Astro Boy joke, but I'm not sure where it would go
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